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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cornwall => Topic started by: babic on Friday 30 January 04 01:26 GMT (UK)
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looking for someone doing research on websters from 1709 to present francis webster married ginifred blackwell 1737 had a son william in 1744 that married jane bennatts they had a son john that married elizabeth bray in 1804 and they had a son john that married mary mills in 1829 they in turn had a son named william that married grace mable hawkins from penzance,cornwall. some of the given names of the children are thomas,lavinia,leviah,caroline,grace, elizabeth,susannah,josiah,william,mary jane,mary,john. thank you for any reply :)
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Francis Webster m. Jenifer Blackwell 30 Jan 1737 Crowan
do you have this marriage?
Francis Webster to Joan John 30 Nov 1776 Crowan
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I may not qualify as mine only begin with Francis WEBSTER, born 1823 in Padstow. I have several of his descendants down to the present, including a friend living here in California. Her father survived the sinking of the Lusitania.
That tree is situated at http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=ivywebster
Perhaps we can exchange info?
Ken
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Hi Ken.
A big welcome to Cornwall. I think I can help you. ;)
Francis Peter WEBSTER was baptised 27 Sep 1822 Padstow parents William Francis and Sally. Father Mariner of Padstow.
Francis WEBSTER otp Bachelor = Sarah PAULL Widow by Banns 3 Aug 1821 Padstow. Both Signed. Witnesses names hard to read Richard Hawken/Hocken and William ?
James PAULL otp bachelor = Sally PETERS Spinster by Banns 3 July 1817 Padstow Both signed witnesses Wm Hancock and Patrick Ryan
Sarah and Sally are interchangeable names ;)
Cheers Kris :D
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Looking further we have
John WEBSTER 17 Nov 1824 parents Francis and Sally father Mariner of Padstow
Lot of crossing out here - cant read what was crossed out
Henry Brewer WEBSTER 9 Mar 1826 parents Francis and Sally father Mariner of Padstow
Charlotte PAUL 26 Nov 1818 parents James and Sally father Blacksmith of Padstow
Sarah and these three children are found in Illogan in 1841
Cheers Kris :D
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Sarah appears in 1851 in Illogan at the home of her married daughter Charlotte (married to Albert LANGDON -mason) Sarah states she is 53 b Padstow
Sally PETERS baptised 23 Aug 1796 Padstow parents John and Jenny
John PETERS otp Bachelor = Jane BREWER otp Spinster by Licence 4 Sep 1788 Padstow Both signed witnesses Joseph (Trevathan) ? - I think the middle name is something like Trevathan, Surname ? and Jonathan Hodge
Jane and Jenifer are also interchangeable names. Certainly shows where Henry got his middle name from. ;)
Cheers Kris :D
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Thank you very much Kris,
You're a peach!
Ken
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Hi Kris or anybody with the answers.
The 1841 census shows Sarah (Sally) PETERS PAULL WEBSTER listed as Sarah WEBSTER with a daughter and two youngest sons. "widow" has a line through it, leading me to believe that "widow" was referring to her first husband who deceased bef 1821. The Websters seem to have history of working the maritime, so perhaps husband "William," (with a line through it on 1821 marriage records) Francis WEBSTER is absent for 1841 census, aboard ship somewhere. He is definitely passed by 1851 census in which his wife is listed as "widow."
Free BMD Death Index shows a Francis WEBSTER expiration recorded Q3,1847, Helston, Cornwall, which would fit the time-frame between censuses 1841 & 1851. Would burial records show a man's wife and/or family? How do I determine whether the 1847 Francis WEBSTER death is for the correct F.W.?
How do I discover the parents of Francis WEBSTER?
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Hi Ken,
Burial records will not show that I am afraid, (age and residence) nor will the death certificate. Death cert will show age and residence along with the informant which may help but that is all.
Personally, I am pretty confident he was deceased by 1841. Widow would not be referring to the first husband, that would not make sense. I feel she was widowed by 1841, possibly a lot sooner due to the lack of further children married 1821 three births 1822, 1824 and 1826 and then nothing. Yes she may have left Padstow and had more elsewhere after this but none showing on the census sort of makes me feel he had been dead for some time.
That line in the census is for occupation not marital status. We see this quite often in the census. Widow or Wife was entered but later crossed out as it was not an occupation but rather a marital status and did not belong there. (It is handy though that it was originally included) I do believe she was already widowed by then. Being a sailor of course he may have died anywhere I am afraid. I did not find burials in Padstow for either of her husbands.
As to the 1847 death. Unfortunately age was not included in the index at this time so you would need either the burial record or the death cert to get that. In 1841 we have 4 Francis Websters. Aged 25 in Bodmin, aged 10 in Crowan, and aged 6 and 8 in Illogan. In 1851 3 can be accounted for. The 10 year old son of Elizabeth from Crowan is missing. Crowan is in the Helston district ;)
Likewise in the baptism entry I think the person entering the details probably the clerk made an error and crossed it out. Given the entries we have for him I do not think his name was William. With the baptism for Henry so much was crossed out and redone.
Cheers Kris :D
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Thank you for sharing what you know.
Sometimes I see "farmer's wife" as an occupation, even - a time or two - "farmer's son."
Having been a "farmer's son" myself, I know a little about that one. LOL
Ken
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Hi Ken,
Yes that one does crop up (generally in the later census - 1841 census is very basic) - Farmer's wife/son/dau is an occupation as it is assumed the person is actually labouring on the farm. (as a farmers son I am sure you will know all about that) Wife or Widow is not an occupation. It is a marital status. If there is was a status column it would be entered there but of course in 1841 there is no such column. There was no provision for a marital status to be entered in the 1841 census - this was entered in error - it should not have been entered in the occ column or anywhere on the census form and therefore was removed (but none the less a clue that she was already widowed by this time)..........Kris :D
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Sally is in Illogan by 1841....... what about
Francis WEBSTER aged 35 buried 20 Jan 1828 Illogan ;)
Cheers Kris :D
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This looks promising ;)
Francis WEBSTER was baptised 8 Dec 1793 Illogan parents John and Elizabeth
John WEBSTER = Elizabeth UREN 24 Aug 1783 Illogan
Cheers Kris :D
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Perhaps the parents burials
John WEBSTER aged 66 was buried 5 Nov 1824 Illogan
Elizabeth WEBSTER aged 77 was buried 17 May 1832 Illogan
Kris :D
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John WEBSTER was baptised 20 Mar 1757 Illogan parents John and Honour
Looks like you could be on quite a roll here.
John WEBSTER = Honour ARTHUR 2 Jun 1753 in Crowan
Now John Webster (possible father of your Francis) did leave a will ;)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/032t/
Kris :D
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looking for someone doing research on websters from 1709 to present francis webster married ginifred blackwell 1737 had a son william in 1744 that married jane bennatts they had a son john that married elizabeth bray in 1804 and they had a son john that married mary mills in 1829 they in turn had a son named william that married grace mable hawkins from penzance,cornwall. some of the given names of the children are thomas,lavinia,leviah,caroline,grace, elizabeth,susannah,josiah,william,mary jane,mary,john. thank you for any reply :)
I am just curious how you linked John (married to Mary Mills) to the John married to Elizabeth Bray. I saw that line before and figured they were connected but I couldn't find documentation to make it work, --though I admit, since this is a hobby I didn't go all out looking at the time.
William and Grace Mable (look for her as Hocking (early census spelling) or Hockin (a later census spelling of her mom's last name, Jane Hockin).
Which of their kids are you decending from? William and Grace's son Henry married Elizabeth Mary Philips ( or perhaps Phillips), They had a son named fredrick (1902), who had a son Charles, who had a son.......who had me!
I swear if our ancestors would have been a little more original with their names this wouldn't seem so impossible.
--trying to keep all the John, William, and Henry's straight makes your eyes go crossed. I think a lot of the websters that have been posted here and cousins to the William (M. Grace) and John (M. Mary) that we are looking at, though I do want to figure where they all fit in too.
I have some free time over the next few weeks so I will be all over this for a while!
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Hi Jenny,
A big Welcome to RootsChat :D
Unfortunately babic has not been online since July 2004 so you may not receive an answer I am afraid. :'( If there is anything we can help you with please ask. We will try to help you work it out.
Cheers Kris :D
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Hi trying to do websters form same area! our thomas webster born around 1781 at cambourne, is thomas a brother to francis webster? keren
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I don't know for certain... but I think so. I will have to do some more looking...
When ever I have time off I pick up on this... then I get busy and drop off!!