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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: juliep123 on Wednesday 22 March 06 20:57 GMT (UK)
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Does anyone have any information on Thomas Rose Born C.1863 alfreton/Belper area. Parents would be great
any help appreciated.
Juliex
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Hi,
1871 Census RG10/4798 Folio 43 Sch 91
5, back of Gloders Buildings, Dunn Street, Attercliffe Cum Darnell, Nr. Sheffield
Rose Thomas Head widow 38 Labourer at Iron Works Norton Disney Lincolnshire
" John son 13 " "
" Annie dau 11 Swanick, Derbyshire
" Thomas son 8 Reading, Derbyshire.
Although the place of Birth for Thomas actually states Reading, I am sure this should
be Riddings, Derbyshire (we do not have a Reading in Derbys) Riddings and Swanwick
(correct spelling) are near to each other and are both close to Alfreton. The Belper Registration District would cover these areas.
In the 1861 Census, Thomas with his Wife Ann and children John & Ann are
living Railway Huts, Alfreton.
Ann is listed as Wife 25 born Thorp on the Hill, Lincolnshire.
Can supply full info if you think this is your Thomas.
Spendlove
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Hi spendlove,
That would be great, and would make interesting reading. I have one listing born in Alfreton and one listing born in Belper, as they are all in the same area, does it depend on who writes these things up?
Regards
Julie.
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Hi Julie,
When you say you have one listing Alfreton and one Belper what do you mean?
If these listings are from the Registration of Births, Deaths and Marriages then
the listing can only be Belper Registration District, because Alfreton comes within
this district.
However if you are taking the info from Census, then this will be the place given
to the Census Enumerator by each individual.
PLEASE SUPPLY THE LISTINGS TO WHICH YOU REFER.
1861 Census RG9/8514 Folio 74 Sch 173
Railway Huts, Alfreton.
Rose Thomas Head 33 Railway Labourer Lincoln, Norton Disney
" Ann wife 25 Lincoln, Thorpe on the Hill
" John son 3 Lincoln, Norton Disney
" Ann dau 1 Derby, Swanwick.
It would appear that the Enumerator taking this Census has shortened the Counties
as Lincoln is actually Lincolnshire, and Derby is actually Derbyshire.
Suggest possible marriage Thomas Rose = Ann Trueman September Quarter 1857
Newark Registration District 7b 425
1851 Census HO107/2136 Folio 239 Sch 33
Norton Disney
Ward William 53 School Teacher Gainsborough
Trueman Ann 49 Widow Servant Notts, Bettisthorpe
" Ann 15 visitor Lincolnshire, Thorpe on the Hill.
If you post the info you are working from, and where it came from it may be possible
to identify exactly the person you are looking for.
Regards
Spendlove
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hi spendlove
I was looking at 1891 census RG12/2763
1881 census RG11/3436
1871 census RG10/4698, am I on the wrong track?
Regards
Julie.
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Hi Julie,
I have checked the entries on the 1871-1891 Census, in all these entries
Thomas Rose B 1863 states born Reading which should be Riddings, Riddings and
Alfreton.
I think you are confusing the BMD entry which states Belper, this does not mean
he was actually born in Belper this is just the Registration Area. It would appear
from the Census Information he was actually born in Riddings nr Alfreton.
If you re do your search on free BMD http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
for Thomas Rose B 1863 when the actual entry appears click on BELPER, on next
screen it will say Information about Belper Click Here, if you click on this you will
see all the places covered by the Belper Registration District one of which is Alfreton.
When you find a Death/Marriage or Birth it is always advisable to follow the above
to obtain all the places covered by a Registration District.
I am assuming that the only place you have seen Belper is this Birth Registration
is this correct?
Does this answer your question?
Spendlove.
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Hi spendlove.
You are probably right, i know I saw Belper somewhere. Now Im looking for Thomas Rose Snr Born C.1833 in Norton Disney
Many Thanks for your help
Julie.
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Hi
Think you will find that Thomas Rose was born abt 1828 (age given in 1861 Census)
This may be him, prior to his marriage, on the 1851 Census
HO107/2136 Folio 236 Sch 17
Think you will find that Ann Trueman was the Daughter of John Trueman and
Ann Glazebrook who married 8.12.1828 Thorpe on the Hill this from
http://www.familysearch.org/
Hope this helps
Spendlove.
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hi spendlove.
I can find Thomas on the 1881 census in chesterfield, but cant find him in 1891. Could he be one of these deaths
Thomas Rose 1882 aged 48 chesterfield 7b 389
Thomas Rose 1881 aged 56 Newark 7b 258 ???
Regards
Julie.
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Hi
As Thomas Rose Snr in the 1881 Census is living in Whittington, Derbyshire
and gives his birth as 1834 I think it safe to assume that the Death
in the Chesterfield Registration District in 1882 for a Thomas Rose aged 48
is the same Thomas Rose, as Whittington comes within the Chesterfield
Registration District. To be certain you would need the Death Certificate
in the hope that the person reporting the Death was Thomas Rose Jnr
also living at the same address per 1881 Census.
For an additional check:-
You also need to search Nottinghamshire 1881 Census for the Thomas
Rose who died in 1881 aged 56, note this death was for Newark Registration
District so DO NOT restrict your search to just Newark.
When you have done this - which do you think is your Thomas Rose Snr?
Spendlove
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Thanks Spendlove
Your'e an absolute diamond
Julie