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i am looking for anything further on george sexton brown he lived in kings langley and i have found him in the 1871 census his wife was caroline from harrow he lived in doolitlle cottages and he was a paper worker i am trying to find more information on his parentage. if anyone can help me it would make my mums day
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Here's a weird entry from the 1861 census, which looks like the same couple - ?
RG9/839/32/24 - Frogmore Crescent, Hemel Hempstead, Herts
George B Sexton Head 24 Lab in Paper Mill b. Hemel Hempstead
Caroline Sexton Wife 22 Lab in Paper Mill b. Harrow
??? ??? ???
Rambler
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yes it definately looks like the same couple i am looking for carolines maiden name and also parentage of this couple many thanks for the info kindest regards nadine. if you can be of any help that would be wonderful
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Looks like the enumerator mixed the name up a bit!
From the IGI http://www.familysearch.org:
George Sexton Brown, son of William Sexton Brown married Caroline Henrietta Powell, daughter of James Powell, on 23 Dec 1860 at St James, Paddington, London.
GRO reference: Dec Q 1860 Kensington 1a 130
Here's Caroline's family in 1851:
HO107/1715/318/14 - Two Waters, Hemel Hempstead
James Powell Head 42 Lab in Paper Mill
Mary Powell Wife 38
Mary Louise Powell Dau 16 At Home
Hannah E Powell Dau 14 Scholar
Caroline H Powell Dau 12 Scholar
James W Powell Son 10 Scholar
Henry A Powell Son 8 Scholar
Catherine E Powell Dau 1 b. Hemel Hempstead
(All except Catherine born Harrow.)
Rambler
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thank you very much for that information it is very much appreciated. If you find anything else that would be great i moved out of harrow just a year ago and now live in wiltshire. but it gives me something to go on now thank you from the bottom of my heart regards nadine
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Caroline's birth isn't on Free BMD yet: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com
However, you can search the original images of the GRO birth index free at http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx (choose the option "Search the complete images"). It takes a little while to search the quarters, but if you check 1838-1839, you should find her. A birth cert will give her mother's maiden name.
How many children did George and Caroline have? There's about a dozen on the 1881 census - poor woman!
Rambler
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thats nothing my mum was one of sixteen none of them twins it seems the thing in my lot to have large families my drinkwater line of which i am stuck it seems the average was 10 or 11 kids there too thank you so much for your kind help regards nadine
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I am totally stuck on where the Brown name eminates. Any help would be appreciated.
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I am totally stuck on where the Brown name eminates. Any help would be appreciated.
What do you mean by this?
Jamjar
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Caroline's birth isn't on Free BMD yet: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com
However, you can search the original images of the GRO birth index free at http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx (choose the option "Search the complete images"). It takes a little while to search the quarters, but if you check 1838-1839, you should find her. A birth cert will give her mother's maiden name.
How many children did George and Caroline have? There's about a dozen on the 1881 census - poor woman!
Rambler
POWELL, CAROLINE HENRIETTA mmn ATKINS
GRO Reference: 1838 D Quarter in HENDON UNION Volume 03 Page 150
POWELL, JAMES WILLIAM mmn ATKINS
GRO Reference: 1840 D Quarter in HENDON Volume 03 Page 147
POWELL, HEWEY ALFRED mmn ATKINS
GRO Reference: 1842 S Quarter in HENDON Volume 03 Page 184
POWELL, KATHERINE ELIZA mmn ATKINS
GRO Reference: 1849 S Quarter in HEMEL HEMPSTED Volume 06 Page 485
Jamjar
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Sorry! That wasn't explained very well. I have gone back several generations and I can find no other reference to the "brown" in Sexton Brown. I can find no references on my GGrandmother Powell, either. I would like to try the find the origin of "Brown" if that is possible. I would appreciate any help in this.
Woodentop
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From what I can see the surname Brown doesn't appear in this family prior to 1860.
William Sexton married Elizabeth Anstee 29 Mar 1824 Ivinghow Buckingham.
- Banns read in St Mary Hemel Hempstead say William Sexton, bachelor, was "of this parish" & Elizabeth Anstee, spinster, was of the parish of Ivinghow Buckingham
Wm & Eliz Sexton are recorded, with their children, on all census with surname SEXTON. Both died as Sexton.
First recorded ref I've seen was 23 Dec 1860 when George Sexton Brown married Caroline Henrietta Powell. George said his father was William Sexton Brown. (noted earlier)
1861 census - It seems that George hasn't yet got the hang of using his new name as 1861 census has George B. Sexton & Caroline Sexton Hemel Hempstead (presume the "B" was for Brown)
- Their children were registered with second forename as Sexton, surname Brown.
Thereafter, the family surname for George & his descendants was Brown.
I initially thought that the name change could be a family disagreement or something that caused George to "disown" his family/name but then found that 2 of his siblings, Edward & Eliza also married with their surname as Brown.
1867 - Edward Sexton Brown married Margaret Dagley & Eliza Sexton Brown married Walter Rance (possibly) same date & place 24 Jan 1867 - Baptist Chapel, Hemel Hempstead.
- Edward Sexton Brown registered his children with surname "Sexton". All census say his name was Sexton. So looks like whatever happened in the 1850's ,causing the surname change, had been resolved.
- Mother's maiden surname on Eliza & Walter Rance's children was Sexton.
Neither Edward or Eliza appear to have used the surname Brown before or after their marriage day
Apologies for repeating previous posted info - just trying to get a timeline.
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Apologies - missed an earlier record:
BANNS read at Ivinghoe Buckinghamshire 14 March 1824 (1st reading)
William Sexton or Brown of Hemel Hempstead & Elizabeth Anstey of Ivinghoe Buckinghamshire
Banns in HH didn't include the Brown alias
Edit: Do you know when William Sexton died? (ie father of George Sexton Brown)
The burial in Feb 1874 that a lot of trees say is his burial isn't the right one. According to the Newspapers this was a Rev William Sexton, a Baptist Minister of Tring.
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Good evening,
I have found a record of William Sexton husband of Elizabeth Anstee died 21 Feb 1874. The probate record confirms he was a Baptist minister. William was my 4th great grandfather.
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Hi, I know you started this thread many years ago, but did you ever manage to find the source of the BROWN part of the tree?
George Sexton Brown was my 2nd great uncle, his father being my great great great grandfather, so we could be distant cousins. I have an extensive tree on Ancestry and Wikitree, so maybe we could share info?
Paul
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Hiya. Yes, I am on ancestry, also. I haven't found out where the Brown eminates, at all. Have you taken a DNA test? I am under Nadine Wood.
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HI, I am sorry it's taken so long to get back.
Yes I am on Ancestry and have taken. DNA test. On searching DNA matches there I have found you. We are 4th cousins.
I still haven't solved the Brown in Sexton Brown issue, but hopefully we'll get there eventually. I did find it confusing that William Sexton was listed as Baptist minister on the Probate record, when no mention of it occurred in previous records and he lived in Hemel, not Tring.
However, I have found info on the Tring baptist Church website that very much confirms that he WAS a baptist minister, and there was actually a baptist church in Frogmore Cresecent in Apsley!
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Forgot to include the info. It's all here. http://tringbaptistchurch.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/History-booklet-for-website.pdf
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There were 2 SEXTON families
Briefly:-
One was William Sexton, a Baptist Minister of Frogmore Street Chapel Tring. (Born c. 1805)
- He and his wife Hannah recorded in Tring from at least 1851
- Hannah Sexton died Dec 1867, age 59 - buried Tring.
- Seems most of the family, incl William & Hannah, were born in Buckinghamshire.
- William remarried - 2nd wife was Elizabeth (they're on 1871 census where Eliz is 20 yrs his jnr.
- William Sexton, Baptist minister, died 21 Feb 1874. He was 68 yrs old. Buried Tring
The other William Sexton was usually recorded as a Labourer, born Hemel Hempstead (B: c. 1804)
- Wm & family were recorded in Hemel Hempstead from at least 1841 onwards.
- William's wife, Elizabeth (nee Anstree, banns in Hemel Hamp. 1823) on all census up to 1871...
- This William & Elizabeth were the parents of the "Sexton Brown" children.
Check the details of the census in both Tring & Hemel Hemp. Those should confirm the 2 separate families.
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Thank you Lady Di, this has helped enormously.
Ancestry and FindMyPast are throwing up huge amounts of incorrect hints. There are in fact at least 3, and possibly 4, William Sextons.
The 3 I've untangled with your help are:
1) My 3GG William (31 Jul 1803 - ?) from Frogmore End, Apsley, wife Elizabeth Anstee.
2) The baptist minister William (Abt. 1806 - 21 Feb 1874) from Tring. 1st wife Hannah Wright. 2nd wife Elizabeth Wright Horwood (not known if a relation to first wife, or whether she was a spinster or widower). The first baptist church in Tring was in Frogmore End. There is a road named Frogmore End (now Street) in Tring as well as in Apsley. This is the cause of a lot of confusion I think.
3) Another William born in Chesham (18 May 1804 - 11 Jun 1846) who was the son of another minister Rev. Edward Sexton. (Grave in St Mary's church Chesham) - https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/180922588/william-sexton
There could be a fourth but I won't go there just for now lol
Paul