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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Renfrewshire => Topic started by: cranstone on Tuesday 21 March 06 10:25 GMT (UK)
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Would there be any directories that can be searched for Frank/Francis Courtney in the Greenock area please from 1902 - 1915?
In 1901 he and his family were living in 14 Inchgreen Street, Greenock and it would be interesting to see how long they lived there?
Is there any occupation mentioned for him?
Many thanks
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Hi Cranstone
I don't know about directories or how much help they would give. You might be more successful with the electoral Roll for the area. The local library may be prepared to do a look-up for you if you can't visit in person.
Inchgreen Street is near Bogston railway station and is so close to the shipyards that Frank would only have to fall out of bed to be at work. The yards were the major employer at that end of the town in those days although there was a ropeworks a mile or so away. The houses may even have been owned by the shipyards.
A lot of that area has been taken over for industrial building so I'm not sure if any residential housing still exists.
Perhaps somebody more local will spot this and give a more definitive answer.
Russell
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Hi
My great gran lived at 14 Inchgreen Street. Her name was Martha Wilson, I'm not sure when she moved there as she lived at other no's too(she seems to have lived most of her life in that street) but she was there when she died which was in 1952
Don't know if this is of any help
kind regards
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Also that street doesn't exist any more as all the houses were knocked down - which is a real shame.
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Hi there Cranstone
Just had a look on the 1901 census on Scotlands People and there is an entry for a Frank Courtney in Greenock. Just run out off credits and not planning to purchase any for a while so can't check it for you I am afraid.
It might be worth your while having a look there.
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Hi
My great gran lived at 14 Inchgreen Street. Her name was Martha Wilson, I'm not sure when she moved there as she lived at other no's too(she seems to have lived most of her life in that street) but she was there when she died which was in 1952
Don't know if this is of any help
kind regards
Hi Jennifah
I wish I could get in touch with you. I am researching Wilson in Greenock. In 1918 George and Elizabeth Nicholl lived at 14 Inchgreen Street, and by 1945 they were at number 10. Their son George Nicholl married Margaret Wilson, and Margaret lived with them at 10 Inchgreen Street. I wonder if Martha is perhaps related to Margaret?
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Hi
Do you know Martha's Wilson family tree side?
Kind regards
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Hi
My great gran lived at 14 Inchgreen Street. Her name was Martha Wilson, I'm not sure when she moved there as she lived at other no's too(she seems to have lived most of her life in that street) but she was there when she died which was in 1952
Don't know if this is of any help
kind regards
Hi Jennifah
I wish I could get in touch with you. I am researching Wilson in Greenock. In 1918 George and Elizabeth Nicholl lived at 14 Inchgreen Street, and by 1945 they were at number 10. Their son George Nicholl married Margaret Wilson, and Margaret lived with them at 10 Inchgreen Street. I wonder if Martha is perhaps related to Margaret?
Hi dreamingwombat
I feel there must be a link somewhere. My geat granny Martha was a Wilson by marriage, she married James Wilson and he was born at 10 Inchgreen Street in 1898. Hmmm I need to do some searching........ James did have a sister Margaret Wilson but my research showed she had two marriages and not to a Nicholl but she would have been too old anyway going by your dates. James and Martha had two sons William and John. The son William stayed in Inchgreen Street, married Ina and had a son John Wilson 1939 - my Dad, so all the families would have known each other it was a real community in that street. All my Wilson's lived 6, 10, 14, 16 Inchgreen Street at some point, moving around the same street.
Do you know who your Maragaret Wilson's parents were?
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Hello,
My Margaret (jean) Wilson doesnt turn up in Inchgreen Street until she is married.
She was born in northern Ireland in 1920. Her parents were Archibald Wilson (b. 1889 port glasgow) and Dora (m.s. Boyle).
The family moved back and forth (assume Dora was from NI) but they had another daughter while in Greenock called Margaret (Jane) Wilson after 1920 and stayed in Port Glasgow.
It's confusing that they used the same first names for both daughters, but this is verified as I am in touch with Margaret Jane Wilson's son. They were known as jeanie and Jane.
Anyway, my Margaret Jean doesn't show up at Inchgreen Steet until she is married as Margaret Jean Nicholl.
14 Inchgreen Street:
Margaret jean Wilson's husband George Nicholl was born at 14 Inchgreen St in 1918 and his parents were George Nicholl and Elizabeth.
By 1945 George and his parents (george & elizabeth) were at 10 Inchgreen Street, he married Margaret Jean Wilson and she moved in with them to 10 Inchgreen Street.
this is Margaret's second marriage by then, her first marriage to a Mr Moulson ended due to his death while in war service).
So, in 1952 when your Martha Wilson died at 14 inchgreen street my Margaret jean Wilson definitely wasn't there but if we could find out who else lived at that address in 1952 we might be able to connect our Wilson's. It is a pretty common name though.
Not sure if this will help make any Wilson connection: There is a James Wilson in my tree b.1821 married to Helen Nairn. I do know that my Wilson line originated in Irvine, Ayrshire and moved to Port Glasgow with industrialisation. They were stone masons and masons. There are many Wilson headstones in the churchyard at Irvine and they worked on the Greenock town hall. Does this link to anything you know of your Wilson line?
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Also, Not sure if you have seen this site which might help find common ancestors.
Wilson and Galbraith Families
This site celebrates the family history of the Wilson and Galbraith families of Greenock and Port Glasgow, whose origins lie in Ayrshire, Renfrewshire, Argyll, and the Western Isles
http://www.wilson-family.org.uk/
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Hi again dreamingwombat
My Wilson's came from County Derry but I've not got far enough back to see if they actually originate from there. I've looked back at all the names and also on the website you gave me a link to but none pop up on my tree. My ones all worked in the shipyards so no stonemasons among them. You are right Wilson is a common name and the families back then seem to not move too far away from each other so it doesn't help when the addresses are so similair, very confusing! They would have at least known of each other. I will ask my Dad if her remembers the Nicholl family in Inchgreen Street. Do you know how long they stayed in the street for?
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Hi Jennifah
I have a link to your Wilson family. My mother had a cousin named Jeanie McKendry who married James Wilson in Greenock in 1925. James was the son of Samuel Wilson and Janet Gavin. This Samuel was the son of James Wilson and Eliza Cairns. I knew that Samuel had a least 2 brothers because they were the informants on the d/cs for the parents James Wilson and Eliza Cairns. It was not until I read your posting that gave me the clue about Samuels brother William who married Mary Sinnott and their son James married Martha Glass whom I take it are your grandparents? I agree that researching a surname like Wilson is a bit tricky and I've already made a lot of costly errors. When James Wilson senior died in 1925 his son James gave his address as 8 Inchgreen St. Do you know anything about this James Wilson ? I'm planning to visit the local Family History Library tomorrow to look them up on the census records on Ancestry.com
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Hi Old Maid
I didn't know about Samuel Wilson so that is a new person to me! I struggled with researching the Wilson name and the James Wilson who was the son of James and Eliza I have no information on apart from just knowing they had a son called James! I must have got the name also from James seniors death cert but not been able to find out anything else so this has been really helpful thank you. Inchgreen Street plays a big part in this Wilson family. My Wilson tree is on ancestry I'll send you a pm.
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Hi
As my family lived at the same address I wonder if any of you have ever come across a Mary Ann Wilson who married a John Courtney around 1849+-
Kind regards
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Hi Cranstone
I don't think I've got back that far with my Wilson's they seem to have come over from Ireland, I think from lateish 19th century and that has been my brickwall. Whether they were in Greenock earlier I don't know but there could be a link as there were so many Wilson's in Inchgreen Street!! ??? Some could have paved the way for other family members to come over, did your Mary Ann come from Ireland?
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Hi
The only child I know they had was born in Ireland in around 1849/56 so I guess they were in Ireland then and I've always presumed that's where they came from. Their son lived in Greenock/Port Glasgow frm about 1884 onwards.
I'm just wondering if that's where they may have come from originally as they may have gone over to stay with relations to start with. He's supposed to have worked for the Donaldson Line but I've found no connection as yet.
Kind regards
Kind regards
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Hi dreamingwombat, I noticed you mentioned an Archibald Wilson (b. 1889 in Port Glasgow). Archie just happens to be my great-great uncle and was the son of Archibald & Agnes Wilson (née Crawford). Is this the same one?
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Hi minoguefan
Yes it is the same Archie ;-) I'll send you an email and we can swap information!
Hi dreamingwombat, I noticed you mentioned an Archibald Wilson (b. 1889 in Port Glasgow). Archie just happens to be my great-great uncle and was the son of Archibald & Agnes Wilson (née Crawford). Is this the same one?
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My Margaret (jean) Wilson doesnt turn up in Inchgreen Street until she is married. She was born in northern Ireland in 1920. Her parents were Archibald Wilson (b. 1889 port glasgow) and Dora (m.s. Boyle).
The family moved back and forth (assume Dora was from NI) but they had another daughter while in Greenock called Margaret (Jane) Wilson after 1920 and stayed in Port Glasgow.
Hi dreamingwombat,
Dora Boyle/Wilson was a cousin of my grandmother. Her parents were Richard Boyle & Margaret Jane Boyle nee Boyle. The last record I can find of them in Ireland is Dora Wilson registered the death of her mother in 1930 at Limnaharry near Ahoghill Co. Antrim. Many of the Boyle family moved from there in Ireland to Greenock/Port Glasgow and quite a few lived in Inchgreen Street (mainly No. 3 but also 6,7,8,14,16). I have most of them researched but would like to compare notes.
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Hi Cranston,
I am attaching a couple of outline maps of the shipyards and on one it shows Inchgreen Street. This street formed the Western boundary of Lithgows Kingston Yard. It also extended across Port Glasgow road and this was the part of the street that had tenement buildings where your great uncle would have stayed. Port Glasgow road was the main thoroughfare and at the port Glasgow boundary the name changed to Ardgown Street. I am not a member of Roots so they will not allow me to reply to a PM
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Thanks for the map Albalad. Hope this gets to you.
Kind regards