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Mary Kavanagh b 10 Jan 1916 and Winifred Kavanagh b10 Dec.1923
Looking for information on sisters Mary and Winifred Kavanagh daughters of James and Edith (Kelly) Kavanagh. Family lived for a time at 90 Dean Lane, Moston and later at 202 Kenyon Lane, Moston, Parents James a retired Railway Signal Man d 30 Dec. 1952 and Edith d 27 Mar. 1953. Both are interred in St. Joseph’s Cemetery, Moston Lane, Manchester. Is possible Winifred did not marry.
I have been hitting a brick wall on this for a while now, Can anyone help me?
Kind Regards
John G.
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Hi John
Sorry to see you still struggling on this one.
This might be a long shot, have you tried the local newspaper for the Moston area. See if you can place a small notice "Looking for .........."
http://www.nemadvertiser.co.uk/about/s/0/48_north_east_manchester_advertiser.html
Regards
Ken
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Evening Ken,
Thank you once again for your assistance, I will get that done tomorrow, see what happens then. I was lucky to fine a photograph of my Grand Uncle recently, but no further information. Seems they last visited Ireland late 1930's.
It’s amazing how the two girls could have disappeared off the face of the earth without leaving any trace. They must have left Manchester when parents passed away. Information has it that James had a brother Patrick living in Liverpool, but I have zilch information on him other than his DOB, which is the 14 Feb 1869.
Kind Regards
John
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Hi John
Nice one :) :) :) :) :)
Just read the story you put in the "Advertiser". Let me know if you get any feedback on it.
Also if you would like a copy PM me with your address and I will send it to you.
Regards
Ken
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Hi John,
Fingers crossed lets hope your story brings some news
Sarah :)
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Hi John
Sorry for the delay, Hope to post the newspaper tomorrow.
Regards
Ken
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Thank you again Ken,
Your Copy of ‘The Advertiser’ arrived during the week so am grateful to have it. Unfortunately the response to the posted article hasn’t opened any new doors for me, I have just received one response to date, and that was mainly to inform me about Dean Lane railway station. I guess the only people who will know anything of James and Edith would now be senior citizens, and it’s unlikely any will have PC’s. So the saga continues. I have ordered further Marriage Certs for Mary Kavanag’s of Manchester. So maybe one day I will strike it lucky. Strangely enough I don’t see any Manchester Marriage Certs for a Winifred Kavanagh, maybe she never married!
Once again thank you for your help, I will let you know if any of the Marriage certs connect for me.
Kind Regards
John
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Hi John
Glad you got it, but shame about the response but it was worth a shot.
John dont think old people dont use pc's ;D my mum is in her 70's got her first pc 2 years ago and you cannot get her off it ;D
Keep me updated to any new leads you have in the Moston or Manchester area and I will check them out for you.
Regards
Ken
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i know this is not much use ,but nice to know what DEAN LANE looked like in 1895 .good luck with your search
migky 8)
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this is moston lane in 1907 and 1959 ;)
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Hi John,
everytime I see there is a reply I think, 'oh someone knows something!' Did you ever try writing to St Dunstan's the local catholic church in Moston? Perhaps someone there may remember the girls.
Are there any clues on Edith's death certificate - informant, adress etc?
They were both well into adulthood when parents died so you would imagine that they were established in work etc - no real need to move away.
Presumably the parents are the only ones interred in the grave in Moston cemetery?
Sorry I am only asking questions but this has intrigued me from the beginning. I do hope you get some success.
Heywood
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Thank you Heywood
It’s a case of “BEEN THERE DONE THAT” I actually posted letters as far back as Tue 19th Feb 2002 to three RC Churches close to Dean Lane and Kenyon Lane seeking info on my family, but I never received any response. The three churches I selected were;
St. Dunstans R.C. Church
St. Dunstans Presbytery,
391 Moston Lane,
Manchester
M40 9PA.
St. John Vianney R.C. Church,
Poynter St,.
Manchester
M40 0DH
St Margaret Mary R.C. Church,
St. Margaret’s Road,
New Moston
Manchester
M40 0JE.
Looking at both Death certificates again – Both deaths were certified by M Fasnacht M.B.. Also Winifred Kavanagh daughter is listed as being present at the death of each of her parents, so therefore is 30 years old and single in 1953.
Ok I have just Gooogled “202 Kenyon lane” and found the following death notice:- 3rd Quarter 2001 Let Us Pray For the following who have died recently: Mrs Catherine (Kate) Burton, 202 Kenyon Lane, Moston, Manchester.
Its amazing how challenging this is proving to be, after all, this is quite recent times.
Kind Regards
John
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Thinking out loud ::) ............Is it possible to view an Electoral register for Dean lane / Kenyon lane for the mid 1950’s? ………. I am grasping at straws here!
Regards
John
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Afraid I had to put this on the back burner for a while, but am ready to begin chasing again, ..................Are street registrars available for the 1950,s?
Regards
John
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Hi My paternal grandmother was Annie Kavanagh. After my father died I found an old letter written by James Kavanagh/Cavanaugh to my father about finances and how the girls would appreciate it. Could the girls be Mary and Winifred, I do not know, I do not have the envelope ,but the letter itself has Bunelick/Adare 1923 on it. I do not know how James is related to me, but they say all the Kavanagh's /Cavanagh's are related Email me. There is also a website for the Kavanagh's and Steven Kavanagh is a good resource person Hope to hear from you Thanks Judy W
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Hi wax
Could you place a link to the kavanagh website please.
Regards
Ken
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Hi Ken, If you go to the website clann chaomhanach, that is the Kavanagh website. It has geneology and people to contact. The best resources are Celia Boylan, Steven Kavanagh and Jimmy Kavanagh. If you need there Email addresses contact me. Hope this helps. I replied to John about the letter I have, I wonder if that could be a connection ???? Happy Hunting Judy W
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Evening Judy,
My apologies for the delay in responding to your message. Sounds interesting, but the time frames don’t quite match up. Mary was born 1916 and Winifred 1923. James did have a brother Patrick Kavanagh (Born 1869) who I understand may have lived in Liverpool, but right now I have nothing which confirms this view. For the record James was born 1875.
Judy you mentioned Bunelick / Adare where is this?
Thanking you again.
Regards
John G.
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Hi John, Sorry that this letter is not a match. I do not know where Burnalick/Adare is, or if it is a place., it is printed at the top of the letter, like an address I do not have an envelope with the letter. My greatgrandmother was Winifred Kavanagh, born in CoSigo, Ireland. There are many Winifred's when you are researching Have you tried the Kavanagh/Cavanagh website, It has a lot of research avenues and people that can help with questions, Goodluck and Best Wishes Judy Witherwax
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Evening Judy,
Thank you for your response, I have been searching for Burnalick/Adare and come up with the following. Cannot fine Burnalick but have a Bunlicky :)
Not sure how tables post on here, hopefully it will be ok.
Regards
John
Townland AKA Acres County Barony Civil Parish PLU Province
ADARE T. xx Limerick Coshma Adare Croom Munster
Bunlicky 169 Limerick Pubblebrien Mungret Limerick Munster
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Hi John, So where exactly is Burnalick/Adare located, the table is confusing. Thanks Judy Witherwax
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Hi Judy,
Sorry for the confusion, it’s not very clear from the above table what is what unless you knew the area. Adare is a town in County Limerick Ireland. You will locate it on any Atlas map of Ireland. Burnalick is a townsland in the Civil Parish of Mungret which is a few miles north of Adare. Hope this is useful?
Cheers John
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Thanks John, that helps alot. Now maybe I can find who this James Cavanaugh is and where he fits into the family Later Judy Witherwax
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Judy............some "bits and pieces" on Limerick http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/LIM/index.htm.
Happy hunting
John
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Good evening Folks,
Just giving this a "bump-up" the list. If any of this looks familiar, would love to recieve your comments and feedback.
Kindest Regards
John G. ;)
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Thinking out loud ::) ............Is it possible to view an Electoral register for Dean lane / Kenyon lane for the mid 1950’s? ………. I am grasping at straws here!
Regards
John
Hi John
You could try reposting this as a new request and ask if anyone is going to manchester library who could do you a lookup.
Have you managed to gain any futher information on the 2 sisters (did they marry) etc
Regards
Ken
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This is from the 1929 Kellys Directory and only 2 James
S = Salford
O = Openshaw
Regards
Ken
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Mary Kavanagh b 10 Jan 1916 and Winifred Kavanagh b10 Dec.1923
Looking for information on sisters Mary and Winifred Kavanagh daughters of James and Edith (Kelly) Kavanagh. Family lived for a time at 90 Dean Lane, Moston and later at 202 Kenyon Lane, Moston, Parents James a retired Railway Signal Man d 30 Dec. 1952 and Edith d 27 Mar. 1953. Both are interred in St. Joseph’s Cemetery, Moston Lane, Manchester. Is possible Winifred did not marry.
I have been hitting a brick wall on this for a while now, Can anyone help me?
Kind Regards
John G.
It might help you to know that 90 Dean Lane and 202 Kenyon Lane were the same house. About 1950 (I was born 1944 on Dean Lane not too far from number 90) Kenyon Lane which ran from Moston Lane was extended, taking in what had been Dean Lane as far as the Newton Heath border. 112 was added to the numbers of the addresses renamed Kenyon Lane. The part of Dean Lane which still exists is in Newton Heath.
I believe the change was made to avoid confusion as it appeared there were two Dean Lanes, one at each side of Newton Heath Railway station where the lane had been blocked, many years before I was born.
It might interest you to know that the house was a little more than a few minutes walk from St. Joseph's cemetery.
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Hi,
You may already have this as BMDs have been updated since original posting:
Manchester district, Jul-Aug 1962, a Winifred Kavanagh married a Stanley Hall
Manchester district November 1992, death of a Winifred Hall registered. Her date of birth was given as 10 December 1923.
:) Barbara
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My apologies for the delay in responding to the recent messages posted on this query.
To Born Manchester: Thank you for your explanation re: Dean Lane and Kenyon Lane, it certainly clears up a lot of confusion. I actually visited this area in May 2007 hoping to find something, but as you already know, this area has been totally rebuilt. I tried talking to some of the locals, but most had come in from other areas. And thanks to information provided to me by Ken (MancsMan), I was able to visit the graves of James and Edith Kavanagh who are interred in St. Joseph’s cemetery.
To Barbara: Thank you for the information you posted, I wasn’t aware of the more recent BMD updates. This has got to be my Winifred, and with your information, I will order a Marriage and death cert immediately. Another brick wall tumbles… :)... Now to find out what happened Mary Kavanagh ;)
Thanking you all again, this is very much appreciated
Kindest
John G.
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You may already have this as BMDs have been updated since original posting:
Manchester district, Jul-Aug 1962, a Winifred Kavanagh married a Stanley Hall
Manchester district November 1992, death of a Winifred Hall registered. Her date of birth was given as 10 December 1923.
:) Barbara
Hi Barbara,
M&D Certificates arrived during the week and you have come up trumps with this!
Winifred Kavanagh (38) Married Stanley Hall (36) on the 25th August 1962 at the Holy Trinity, Blackley (CoE). Residence for both is given as 13, Clough Rd., Blackley. Stanleys’ father’s’ name is given as Theophilus. Witnesses Clifford and Margaret Hall.
Winifred died on the first November 1992 at the North Manchester General Hospital. Residence at the time is #5 Southmere Close, Moston Manchester 10.
Thanking you once again Barbara, very much appreciated.
Kindest
John G
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Dear Born Manchester,
(http://It might help you to know that 90 Dean Lane and 202 Kenyon Lane were the same house. About 1950 (I was born 1944 on Dean Lane not too far from number 90) Kenyon Lane which ran from Moston Lane was extended, taking in what had been Dean Lane as far as the Newton Heath border. 112 was added to the numbers of the addresses renamed Kenyon Lane. The part of Dean Lane which still exists is in Newton Heath.)
I was reading through this thread because the street names rang chimes. Your information caught my attention. I wondered if you could answer the following for me because I have often wondered about the change of address.
My grandfather Abraham Reeves lived at 176 Dean Lane from 1923 to the 1940s or 1950s when he and his second wife (Edith Margaret) moved to 288 Kenyon Lane. Or so I thought. Could it be that they stayed still and the street names & house numbers changed???
Your input would be really appreciated.
Thanks a lot.
Anne
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I am the great granddaughter of Mary kavanagh
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Blimey Janine!!! at Last........ Just sent you a private message :)