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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cavan => Topic started by: lanarman on Monday 20 March 06 02:56 GMT (UK)
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Searching for these surnames pre 1830 in Belturbet. Emigrated to Canada c. 1824. Any info. appreciated.
Thank you.
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Hello lanarman,
What denomination were your Campbell and Netterfield ancestors? Were they members of the Catholic faith, the Established Church (Anglicans or Church of Ireland), Methodists or possibly Presbyterians?
You'll have to rely on Church records as civil registration in Ireland was not introduced until 1864. Non Catholic marriages were registered from 1845 onwards. When registration for BDMS started in 1864 some people didn't bother with the registration for a few years after that date. Keep your fingers crossed that church records still exist.
Christopher
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Hello Christopher:
Thanks for responding. The Campbells and Netterfields were members of the Church of England. John Campbell born c. 1788 in Belturbet. His wife Mary Netterfield, daughter of Isaac Netterfield from Templeport, Ballyconnel, Co. Cavan. She may have been born in Redhills, near Belturbet. Emigrated to Canada c. 1824.
Do you suppose that Anglican church records exist for this area of Co. Cavan and if so, do you know where I could write to to get copies of birth registrations?
Thanks again
Michael (lanarman)
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Hi Michael,
A Church of Ireland page on Parish Records - Earliest Dates shows Cavan - Annagh (Belturbet) - 1801 http://irelandgenealogyprojects.rootsweb.com/Old/coirecs.html
There's no mention of the location of the records but the site has a link to the Church of Ireland and the RCB Library who should be able to tell you where the records are located.
Christopher
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Good day Christopher:
Thanks for sending me the link to the Church of Ireland. If I interpret the website info. correctly, the BMD's for Annagh, Belturbet, Co. Cavan after 1801 are also located at PRONI. Since I also have Ballymena, Co. Antrim ancestors (BMD's and a ships list in 1852 for the PAUL family to Canada are required), a letter to PRONI might solve all my genealogy problems at once!
Thanks again,
Sincerely,
Michael
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I have researched the Netterfield in Canada. Would love to share my information. Donna
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Hi Donna,
I,m new to this avenue of exploration so I have no idea if I,m following the proper procedure. My name is Douglas Campbell and I live in Brockville Ontario, Leeds County in Eastern Ontario along gthe north shore of the St. Lawrence River. I have traced my Campbell roots through John Campbell (m Mary Netterfield) from James Campbell who came to Belturbet in 1690 with (or shortly after the arrival of) William of Orange. There is also, I believe, a brother George who came with him. I'm not sure if I have the line of succession exactly right but some 134 years later my G-G Grandfather John Campbell and his wife Mary Netterfield left Belturbet and came directly to what is now Bastard Township in Leeds County in the Province of Ontario.I have identified three lots which they occupied before settling on the one that is to this day occupied by their descendants.
With respect to the Netterfields I have names but no clear idea of relationships. Where exactly does Mary fit in ? What of preceeding generations. I know the family became quite well of and some of them at least moved to Dublin as the century progressed. Some also arrived in Bastard Township I think in 1846. I have a suspicion that they may have been a quite interesting bunch. It is apparent also that as immigration continued some of the Campbell and Netterfield clans moved on from Bastard to newly open farmlands around Wingham in southwestern Ontario in the 1840s/50s.
I have more detailed information so if we establish contact perhaps we can share.
Doug Campbell
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I have information on the Netterfield's in Canada. Would love to hear back from you and am willing to share what info I have. Donna
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INCUMBERED ESTATES COURT.
In the Matter of the
ESTATE OF WILLIAM JAMES THOMAS GALBRAITH,
Owner;
Exparte
MORGAN CROFTON,
Petitioner
Whereas, Moses NETTERFIELD, late of Ballyconnell, in the county of Cavan, gentleman, obtained a Judgment against Morgan GALBRAITH, described in said Judgment as of the City of Dublin, Esq., but otherwise resident at Macken, in the County of Cavan, in or as of Easter Term, 1829, for the principal sum of £1,000, which was confessed to said Moses NETTERFIELD, as a Trustee to secure certain debts charged upon MACKEN and other LANDS, purchased in the cause of ARMSTRONG v. FARIS and others, in the year 1827, and in respect of which Judgment there is now invested in Government Three-and-a-Quarter per Cent. Stock, the Sum of £472 14s. 8d., transferred to the separate credit of Moses NETTERFIELD, in this matter, TAKE NOTICE, that all persons having claims upon said Judgment are hereby required, under an order of the Chief Commissioner, bearing date the 1st day of February instant, to come in and shew their rights thereto by statement or affidavit, to be lodged in the General Clerk's office, on or before the 31st day of March next, and proceed to prove the same; and TAKE NOTICE, that in default there, the claims of all parties upon said Judgment will be barred, and the said sum of £472 14s 8d. will be paid out without regard to said Judgment.
Dated this 13th day of February, 1854.
HENRY CAREY, Secretary
ROBERT JONES FOX, Solicitor for Petitioner,
having the Carriage of Proceedings,
91, Stephen's-green, Dublin
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MARRIED.
May 10 1856, at St. Thomas's Church, by the Rev. Theobald BUTLER, Moses, second son of Moses NETTERFIELD, Esq. of Ballyconnell, in ths county, to Miss Catherine LYNG, of Gloucester-street, Dublin, heiress of the late Miss Charlotte HINDS.
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DEATH; LINDSAY – Feb. 14th 1876, aged 18 months, Anna Somrville Reeves, the only child of the Rev. J. W. LINDSAY, A.M., Curate of Letterkenny, Co. Donegal, and grand-child of Moses NETTERFIELD, Esq., Ballyconnell.
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http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/reels/d-80-3-4-119.pdf
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hi I've been researching the Netterfield's for some time now, would love to hear back from you
donna
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There is plenty on the internet about them, they were RC and C of I.
I only spotted the name when looking for someone else. A few on 1901 Census, have you looked there?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0a3v/
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Hi Donna,
I have no idea how to use this medium. I hope this reaches you. My great,great grandfather was John Campbell of Belturbet. He was born in 1788 and he married Mary Netterfield whose father was Isaac Netterfield. Any inf regarding the Netterfield family would be appreciated.
Doug Campbell
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Why not Google them on the Irish Google Engine? I did and got 11,700 results...
www.google.ie and searched for "Netterfield" AND "Cavan" You could use other keywords too.
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I am looking for info regarding Campbell's in Belturbet. What I know of my Campbell family is, Jane Campbell, daughter of James and Anna Campbell, born in 1824. It seems Doug is able to go back to the 1690's, I am curious if anyone else is able to trace the Campbell's in Belturbet back that far?
Thank you,
Matt
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Hello Doug,
You mentioned a James Campbell that came to Belturbet in 1690. I was wondering what else you know about James Campbell if you wouldn't mind sharing. Do you know exactly where he was from? Religion? Age? Married? Children? Why did he come to Ireland?
Thank you,
Matt
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Hi Matt,
My information regarding our Campbell ancestors came from a gentleman by the name of Shane McGovern.(*) This individual seems to be the unofficial historian of the Town of Belturbet in County Cavan where our forebear lived when they came to Ireland. Belturbet was apparently founded in the early 17th century by Protestants who more or less colonized much of Northern ireland and a good portion of Eire. Strangely enough this chap now lives in western Quebec. I live in the City of Brockville, on ,a few miles away. Both places of course being in Canada.
The man's sister who is also a McGovern ( I can't remember her last name) lives in Cavan city and is also conversant in Belturbet history. You could contact her through (*).
Anyway, the aforesaid Shane McGovern created a collection of historical papers regarding the town and published it as "The Town Book of the Borough of Belturbet". The cost was 100 Cdn dollars. I have more info. My address is (*).
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Hello Doug
I have sent you a Personal Message but I now realise that you may not yet be able to receive them. So here is tn updated version of the main part, in case you - or any other participants in this discussion - can provide any further information:
I think my 3G-grandfather was James Campbell born in Co Cavan around 1800. I saw that one of the postings mentioned his wife as being called Anna. My family's recollections mention an Anna (though on the other side of the family, but I think have now dis-proven that!) and that Anna was German and a Ladies' Maid. I know there was a James Campbell with a wife Anna (or Anne) living in Belturbet. I would really like to discover whether this was in fact the German Ladies' Maid, and to fill in various gaps in my research!
Paul
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Donna,
I would love to contact you. I have info re the Campbells and Netterfields that I would love to share. Unfortunately the intricacies of the system are beyond me. When I try to include my email I get a gentle whack on the fingers saying i should contact you by other means or something like that.
Can you help.
Doug
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Hello Doug
I have sent you a Personal Message but I now realise that you may not yet be able to receive them. So here is tn updated version of the main part, in case you - or any other participants in this discussion - can provide any further information:
I think my 3G-grandfather was James Campbell born in Co Cavan around 1800. I saw that one of the postings mentioned his wife as being called Anna. My family's recollections mention an Anna (though on the other side of the family, but I think have now dis-proven that!) and that Anna was German and a Ladies' Maid. I know there was a James Campbell with a wife Anna (or Anne) living in Belturbet. I would really like to discover whether this was in fact the German Ladies' Maid, and to fill in various gaps in my research!
Paul
Hi Paul:
Hope you are still on the boards- just wondering if you ever solved your Campbell in Belturbet mystery? I am descended from the John Campbell-Mary Netterfield family from the Belturbet area and was also trying to contact Col. Doug. Just found out he passed away last year. I believe that 1822 or 1823 was the year that my Campbells emigrated to Canada. Also trying to connect with the Shane McGovern gentleman who has the history of Belturbet but now lives in Canada. Lanarman
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Hi Lanarman
Yes, I'm still on the boards! (Sounds like I'm an old-time variety hall player!)
Unfortunately I haven't been able to progress my Belturbet enquiries any further - I have not been able to find any records that might help, although I understand that the Johnston Library in Cavan might have relevant information. I just haven't had the opportunity to get over there (I live in France).
Sorry to learn about Col. Doug. If I remember rightly, his sister was looking after family history material at the Johnston Library (though I could be wrong about that!), though I don't see any specific mention on the library site. Could be worth checking with the library though.
I'm afraid I can't help you regarding Shane McGovern either. The site he had created (belturbet.org) now appears to be defunct and a quick Google didn't reveal anything useful. The last contact (e-mail) I had with both Shane and Doug was back in 2012.
I wish you success with your research nonetheless!
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Hi Paul: That was fast! Thanks for replying. I'm not much further ahead in my research, either. It was Shane McGovern's sister that worked at the Cavan Library. Col. Doug was a distant cousin to my wife and he and I corresponded many years ago.
I note in the Irish Tithe Applotment documents a James Campbell in Annagh in 1825 and again in nearby Killashandra in 1832. Lord Gosford was the landlord. You can see the original scanned images online at Family Search.
It's highly possible that James was a brother or cousin of John. And somehere I saw reference to a Gustavus Campbell (or Netterfield) so thats a strange combination of German-Irish and he may relate to your German born Anna. ? I will see if I can find that reference and get back to you.
Best regards,
Lanarman
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Paul: Found this in my notes and confirmed it on the Public Record Office (PRONI) website:
Gustavus Campbell. Kilmore Diocesean Wills, Cavan. Will 1823. Probated 1825. The original documents do not exist.
L.