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Title: A bit of a brick wall ...
Post by: hpjrt on Sunday 19 March 06 21:37 GMT (UK)
Hello,

One of my lines of research is the LEA family in Gloucestershire. 

I have a Nehemiah Lea baptised on June 2, 1783 [/i][extract from Parish Records - Source: IGI][/i] in Windrush ... I have him marrying Ann Maides in Eastleach Turville on February 17, 1806 [/i][extract from Parish Records - Source: IGI][/i] and a son, William [baptised November 5, 1807, Father: Nehemiah Lea and Mother:  Anne [/i][extract from Parish Records - Source: IGI][/i] .

However, I can't find any reference to Nehemiah anywhere else.  He would have been 58 in 1841 ... but I can't find him on the census.  I can't find a death for him ... and he's not listed on the NBI [first edition].

I would like to hae some idea of when he died ... and you'd think with a forename like Nehemiah, it would be relatively easy. 

Anyone have any ideas of where I can look for a death?  There are about a hundred parishes in a 5 square mile radius of Windrush ... but I'd imagine he stayed around that area.

Thanks for any suggestions.

Mary
Title: Re: A bit of a brick wall ...
Post by: CU on Monday 20 March 06 11:16 GMT (UK)
http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx

Try this. It will be slow going but he will be there some where. Good luck. ;D
Title: Re: A bit of a brick wall ...
Post by: hpjrt on Monday 20 March 06 17:03 GMT (UK)
Hi CU,

Thanks for the suggestion ... however,  I labouriously trolled through all of the Death Indexes from 1837 through and including all of 1841 [just in case] with no luck.  No Nehemiah Lea entries.  Nor were there any likely Ann Lea listings either.  *sigh*

This means that either he died prior to 1837 [or in 1837 but no one registered the death since the law was new etc.] ... or ... ?

With my luck, the two of them died in 1836 ... just before Civil Registration! 

Does anyone have access to the 2nd edition of the NBI?  I have the 1st edition, but he's not there. 

Not only am I in the 2% of Canada that doesn't have access to "high speed" internet ... but I'm also in an area where the LDS Family Research centre is open only on Tuesday mornings ... and this isn't often convenient for me to go there.  It's also quite a distance away from me.

Are there cd's that have all of the available parish records on it?  I couldn't find anything on the IGI but I don't think the IGI has all of the parish records for Gloucestershire ...

I'm at a loss to know how to proceed further.  Since his name was on actual Parish Record extracts, I "know" he existed ... but without being able to find out when he died ... I'm feeling like I made him up!  LOL

Any ideas?

Thanks

Mary
Title: Re: A bit of a brick wall ...
Post by: Keziahemm on Monday 20 March 06 17:11 GMT (UK)
Hi Mary,

No sign in NBI 2nd edition  ???

You could try Gloucestershire Family History Society www.gfhs.org.uk where you will find their email address for enquiries.


Susan  :)


Title: Re: A bit of a brick wall ...
Post by: Arranroots on Monday 20 March 06 17:13 GMT (UK)
Did you try LEIGH - just in case?

 ;)

Title: Re: A bit of a brick wall ...
Post by: Keziahemm on Monday 20 March 06 17:22 GMT (UK)
Yep, all variations  ???


Susan  :)
Title: Re: A bit of a brick wall ...
Post by: Arranroots on Monday 20 March 06 17:30 GMT (UK)
Hee hee - sorry Susan - I was wondering if Mary had checked the Indexes for LEIGH.

 :-[

That will teach me!!  I know you are very thorough of course!!

 ;D
Title: Re: A bit of a brick wall ...
Post by: Keziahemm on Monday 20 March 06 17:50 GMT (UK)
Arranroots - Oops  ;D  ;D

Susan  :D
Title: Re: A bit of a brick wall ...
Post by: liverpool annie on Monday 20 March 06 17:51 GMT (UK)

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Nehemiah Lea baptised on June 2, 1783

Heres a weird thing - I wouldn't say this name is a common one  :-\  
but I found a
" Nehemiah Lee " born 1782 on 1850 American census living in Conneticut with a wife ( not Ann ) and family ! - he is a farmer ! but it says he was born there !!

Just a thought!!

Annie  :)
Title: Re: A bit of a brick wall ...
Post by: hpjrt on Monday 20 March 06 18:08 GMT (UK)
Hi Arranroots,

Nope ... I didn't check the indexes for LEIGH ... or LEE for that matter.   In the 1800's I got so used to the consistent spelling of LEA that I neglected to search for the variants!   :'(

I'll give that a try ... *sigh*

Thanks Susan for checking on the NBI second edition.  *sigh*

One good thing about dead ends ... at least you don't have to check THEM again!


Hi Annie,

I don't think he would have emmigrated ... but I suppose he could have done.  Lord knows his great-grandson emmigrated to Canada ... and a surprising memory from my father's childhood ... he said that one year, when my dad was about 10 some people came to visit his grandfather Amos.  Now ... as a 10 year old these visitors weren't of any interest to him ... because they were all adults and this was a "children should be seen and not heard" sort of thing.  However, Dad felt sure that these visitors were relatives of his grandfather ... from the States. 

I have yet to discover which of the LEA family might have gone to the U.S. ... although there is at least one brother of Amos who is "unaccounted" for ... and I've been unsuccessful in finding him anywhere in the UK, Canada or the U.S. ... but that would have been mid to late 1800's.  *sigh*

Certainly the age of your NEHEMIAH LEE is right ... and I suspect that my NEHEMIAH was an Agricultural Labourer ... since his offspring William was ...

Interesting ... and worthy of some investigation.  I don't suppose this fellow was also on the 1840 census?

Thanks for any other ideas while I once again troll through the death indexes! 

Mary


Title: Re: A bit of a brick wall ...
Post by: Arranroots on Tuesday 21 March 06 07:41 GMT (UK)
Poor Mary - I know the feeling!

It might be worth putting this one on the back burner, until the search facility for the BMDs is refined.  I feel sure it can only improve.

It is certainly easier than examining the microfiche for all the parishes involved!

Let us know how you get on

kind regards, Arranroots  ;)
Title: Re: A bit of a brick wall ...
Post by: hpjrt on Tuesday 21 March 06 13:07 GMT (UK)
Thanks Arranroots,

My Nehemiah has been on the back burner for years ... it's just every once in a while ... when reviewing my "unanswered questions" within the family tree, he resurfaces ... and I get frustrated all over again!  LOL

Ah well ... back he goes into those "unresolved" recesses of the tree. 

One of these days I'll get the answer to what happened to him ... I hope!  LOL

Mary
Title: Re: A bit of a brick wall ...
Post by: allibaker on Tuesday 21 March 06 13:26 GMT (UK)
your man is not listed on the NBI VOL 2 either sorry
regards
alli
Title: Re: A bit of a brick wall ...
Post by: liverpool annie on Tuesday 21 March 06 14:28 GMT (UK)


Yes " Nehemiah Lee " born 1782 is on 1840 American census living in Conneticut
heres the description of 1840 census - it only names head of household !!

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This database details those persons enumerated in the 1840 United States Federal Census, the Sixth Census of the United States. In addition, the names of those listed on the population schedule are linked to the actual images of the 1840 Federal Census, copied from the National Archives and Records Administration microfilm, M704, 580 rolls. Each name is associated with two images as the 1840 census schedule was two pages long. Be sure to view the image on which you find your ancestor's name as well as the following image, which should be the continuing census page, in order to obtain all possible information about your ancestor.

Enumerators of the 1840 census were asked to include the following categories in the census: name of head of household; number of free white males and females in age categories: 0 to 5, 5 to 10, 10 to 15, 15 to 20, 20 to 30, 30 to 40, 40 to 50, 50 to 60, 60 to 70, 70 to 80, 80 to 90, 90 to 100, over 100; the name of a slave owner and the number of slaves owned by that person; the number of male and female slaves and free "colored" persons by age categories; the number of foreigners (not naturalized) in a household; the number of deaf, dumb, and blind persons within a household; and town or district, and county of residence.

Additionally, the 1840 census, asked for the first time, the ages of revolutionary war pensioners and the number of individuals engaged in mining, agriculture, commerce, manufacturing and trade, navigation of the ocean, navigation of canals, lakes and rivers, learned professions and engineers; number in school, number in family over age twenty-one who could not read and write, and the number of insane. The categories allowed Congress to determine persons residing in the United States for collection of taxes and the appropriation of seats in the House of Representatives.

Few, if any, records reveal as many details about individuals and families as do the U.S. federal censuses. The population schedules are successive "snapshots" of Americans that depict where and how they were living at particular periods in the past. Because of this, the census is often the best starting point for genealogical research after home sources have been exhausted.

Extended Description:

The United States was the first country to call for a regularly held census. The Constitution required that a census of all "Persons...excluding Indians not taxed" be performed to determine the collection of taxes and the appropriation of seats in the House of Representatives. The first nine censuses from 1790-1870 were organized under the United States Federal Court system. Each district was assigned a U.S. marshal who hired other marshals to administer the census. Governors were responsible for enumeration in territories.

The official enumeration day of the 1840 census was 1 June 1840. All questions asked were supposed to refer to that date. The count was due within nine months, but the due date was extended by law to allow completion within eighteen months. By 1840, there were a total of twenty-six states in the Union, with Arkansas and Michigan being the latest additions. The two new territories of Wisconsin and Iowa were also enumerated.

Annie  :)