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Title: any information
Post by: LEOLINEDANCER on Sunday 19 March 06 18:46 GMT (UK)

hello this is the first time I have been on this site so forgive me if I have posted this message under the wrong he adding. Any way I am trying to find any information on the family of James Walker born abt 1838 don't know where & Eliza Oultram born 1838 Norley? there was a son James Oultram who married Annie Prince 24-1-1888 at st John the evangelist Kingsley I have this marriage certificate & it gives the father as James Walker Joiner for James Oultram & Annie no father mentioned. so I am stuck with the tree  ???

Title: Re: any information
Post by: Keith Bateman on Sunday 19 March 06 18:56 GMT (UK)

Hi LEOLINEDANCER ,

And welcome to the best website on the Net!!

Will see what we can find for you - any ages on the marriage certificate?

I have found in the 1861 census an Eliza Oultram niece of John Oultram - aged 23 - born in Kingsley - living in Stainiford, Kingsley

Next door to
Susannah Oultram - widow - 60 - Farmer of 60 Acres - Kingsley
William        "                        - 26 - Ag Lab                   - "
RG9/ 2599
F121 P30

Will see what else come up

Cheers

Keith

P.S. NOTE  AMMENDED

Title: Re: any information
Post by: Keith Bateman on Sunday 19 March 06 19:01 GMT (UK)

From my cricketing days I think Norley is next door to Kingsley - is that correct?

Keith

Title: Re: any information
Post by: C P Rayson on Sunday 19 March 06 19:04 GMT (UK)

Hi

FreeBMD has a marriage March Qtr 1866 Runcorn, 8a, 257

James Walker and Eliza Oultram are listed

Also Cheshire BMD http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/cgi/marrind.cgi
Has the marriage listed 1866, Civil Marriage, Runcorn

Hope this of use
Happy hunting

Chris

Title: Re: any information
Post by: Keith Bateman on Sunday 19 March 06 19:13 GMT (UK)

How about this one:
1871
Eliza Walker - widow - 29 - Kinglsey
Joseph - son - 5 - Newton


Old Farm
Budworth
Stretton

RG10/3688
F 95 P13

Will see if there is another with James as her son - you say the name on the marriage is James OULTRAM - - that might mean he was illegitimate?

Cheers

Keith

Title: Re: any information
Post by: LEOLINEDANCER on Sunday 19 March 06 19:20 GMT (UK)

hello again the date on the marriage certificatefor joseph oultram & annie prince is 24 jan 1888  it says full age for both husband & wife no age given for Joseph's father

Title: Re: any information
Post by: C P Rayson on Sunday 19 March 06 19:21 GMT (UK)

Hi

Again from CheshireBMD a cross linked marriage shown as 1871-1875

Eliza Oultram/Walker to Edward Owen
St Elphin Warrington

From FreeBMD Sept qtr 1872 Warrington, 8c, 196
Eliza Walker and Edward Owen listed

Happy Hunting

Chris

Title: Re: any information
Post by: Keith Bateman on Sunday 19 March 06 19:23 GMT (UK)

Joseph Oultram!!!

In your first post you said son James!!   ;D ;D

Ne'er mind - that makes it look like I found the correct one in 1871 - just looking for a death now between 1866 and 1871!!

Cheers

Keith

Title: Re: any information
Post by: Keith Bateman on Sunday 19 March 06 19:25 GMT (UK)

forget that!!  ;D

Title: Re: any information
Post by: Manchester Rambler on Sunday 19 March 06 19:35 GMT (UK)

Joseph in 1881:

RG11/3519/54/5 - Newton Firs, Newton by Frodsham, Cheshire
Mary Oultram  Head  Wid  81  Farmer  b. Alverley
Edward Davies  Son  Mar  52  Labourer Chemical Works  b. Liverpool
Margaret Davies  Dau in law  57  b. Runcorn
Joseph Walker  Grandson  14  Ag Lab  b. Newton
Sarah Mercer  Dau  Mar  50  b. Liverpool

Rambler

Title: Re: any information
Post by: LEOLINEDANCER on Sunday 19 March 06 19:38 GMT (UK)

hi again, the certificate gives james walker as the father but joseph's name is given as joseph oultram so he must have been born out of wedlock thanks for all the added i formation  :)

Title: Re: any information
Post by: Manchester Rambler on Sunday 19 March 06 19:41 GMT (UK)

Here's Eliza Oultram  in 1851:

HO107/2164/775/2 - Newton   Exact address unspecified
Joseph Oultram  40  Head  Ag Lab  b. Newton
Mary Oultram  Wife  47  b. Alverley
Eliza Oultram  Dau  13  At home  b. Kingsley
Annie Oultram  Dau  9  b. Kingsley

Rambler

Title: Re: any information
Post by: Keith Bateman on Sunday 19 March 06 19:43 GMT (UK)

Thanks Rambler - just beat me to that  ;)

This for 1851 might help

Joseph Oultram - 40 - Ag Lab - Newton
Mary        "   -      47 - Alvenley
Eliza      "           - 13 - Kingsley
Anne      "   -           9       "

Newton
Budworth
HO 107/2164
F775 P 2

Cheers

Keith

Title: Re: any information
Post by: Manchester Rambler on Sunday 19 March 06 20:01 GMT (UK)

Joseph Oultram in 1891:

RG12/2834/106/15 - Five Crosses, Frodsham
Joseph Oultram  Head  25  Labourer  b. Warrington
Annie Oultram  Wife  25  b. Budworth
Edith Ann Oultram  Dau  2  b. Frodsham
Frances Oultram  Dau  1  b. Frodsham


And on the 1901 census:

RG13/3370/87/17 - 21 & 23 Lower Bridge St, Chester
Joseph Oultram  Head  35  Fried Fish Dealer  b. Newton
Annie Oultram  Wife  34  b. Budworth
Edith A Oultram  Dau  12  b. Frodsham
Frances Oultram  Dau  10  b. Frodsham
Emily Oultram  Dau  9  b. Frodsham
Joseph Oultram  Son  8  b. Frodsham
James H Oultram  Son  5  b. Chester
John E Oultram  Son  2  b. Chester
Mary Oultram  Dau  5 wks  b. Chester
Kate Paulson  Servant  16  Domestic Servant  b. Chester


Rambler

Title: Re: any information
Post by: LEOLINEDANCER on Wednesday 22 March 06 14:58 GMT (UK)

thank you all you wonderfull people who have helped me break down this brick wall Noreen ;)