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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Denbighshire => Topic started by: piffy on Friday 17 March 06 19:46 GMT (UK)
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I have a couple of certificates I need from Oswesty. a birth and marriage. is there anywhere on the net I can order them? or get more information off them? :-\
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I had a look on the Shropshire County Council Website.See this;
http://www.shropshire.gov.uk/registrar.nsf/open/39D35A88B90FA2F2802570F100513442
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Oswestry
The Register Office
Holbache Road
Oswestry
SY11 1PZ
Oswestry opening hours
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday 09.45 to 16.00 hours
Friday 09.45 to 12.15 hours and 13.00 to 16.00 hours ;)
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If you would like to share the details of the people you are researching maybe someone here will be able to help you :)
...and I hope you don't mind me adding that Oswestry is in fact Shropshire ;)
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Thank you for that people!
I am wanting to check the parents names of Mary Edwards b march 1849. and, if it Job and Mary, find Mary's surname.
then check the marriage of Job Edwards 1842 and see if they fit. if so checking thier parents names.
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I had a quick look in the 1851 census and there is a Martha Edwards age 1, born Oswestry, with parents Richard and Emma, sister Mary. The family are living at Willow Street, Oswestry.
The only other Martha of approximately the right age and born in Oswestry, is living in Burslem.
Let me know if you would like the full details.
Jan
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I had a quick look in the 1851 census and there is a Martha Edwards age 1, born Oswestry, with parents Richard and Emma, sister Mary. The family are living at Willow Street, Oswestry.
The only other Martha of approximately the right age and born in Oswestry, is living in Burslem.
Let me know if you would like the full details.
Jan
In 1851, Job and Mary are in Bronygarth (Parish of St Martins, Shropshire). Again, this is one of those 'edge' townships on the very border with Llangollen and Chirk parishes.
At this time, Job was a Sawyer, but it is definitely them - he born Llangollen, circa 1813 and Mary, b. Llanymynech. They have their one year old daughter, Mary, with them. This would suggest a marriage between 1848-1850, probaly Oswestry Registration District.
You haven't mentioned the 1842 marriage before. It's possible but iffy ???
Alternatively, it might be worth trying to find the birth registration of Mary (between April 1849-Mar 1850) or one of the other children. This will give mother's maiden name.
Gadget
Jan
The ones Piffy are looking for are in Bronygarth in 1851.
Could you let me have the phone no of Oswestry rec off please- the Shrewsbury route is very long winded :(
Thanks
Gadget
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The Phone No for Oswestry Reg Office is 01691-652086.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Thanks William :)
Gadget
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hello again! I have checked the possible matches for the father's name and Found 3 Job Edwards marriages so far.
The one in 1842 in Oswestry Which Gadget felt was too early because Mary was only 1 in 1851.
so I did a thorough search for any Job Edwards marriages between 1846 and 1850.
There is one in 1846 in Merthyr Tydfil (hope that was splelled right) and one in 1850 (Jul-sep) Wrexham.
and two Mary Edwards born oct-dec 1850 one in Wrexham and one in Oswestry.
I then looked up both marriages on free bdm and (though I know it's not complete!) the only marriage with a Mary as a possible partner is the 1850 one in Wrexham. I went on the wrexham site, and that told me the partner to Job in 1850 was Mary Turnley.
I tell you the way I got there because you chaps can tell me if I went wrong or how to do it better.
And you are right Lloydy. Oswestry is in Shropshire. it just that my origional search was in Wales and I am just too silly to think to move :-[ ! next post I start will be in the Shropshire section. sorry. ;D
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Hi Piffy - Quite a lot of that bit of Denbighshire was in the Oswestry Reg District at the time. It even changed in my life time. My parents where married in Chirk, Denbighshire in 1931- registered under Oswestry. I was born Chirk, Denbighshire in 1945 - registered under Wrexham.
I'd give the oswestry records Office a ring and ask about the 1850 Mary - Just say her father was a Job Edwards and mother Mary. If that is so, order from them direct for £7.
Gadget
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thans Gaget. I have just been looking for info on Black Park Mine (just in case) and the Address of the mine is in Ruabon, Wrexham.
The marriage in 1850 was Ruabon, St. Mary. hhmm! I shall have to hang on till payday, but will phone them and order it if it is the right one. ...... Why didn't I take up stamp collecting?? :-\
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Piffy
It's very possibly Ruabon - some of my ancestors married there and in Rhosymedre (near by), I think to avoid prying eyes ;)
You'll have to get the marriage from Wrexham and the birth from Oswestry though.
I've got some stuff on Black Park Colliery. My grt grandfather, grandfather and father and their brothers worked there at various times.
Gadget
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the info on black park would be most welcome if! can just connect Job for sure but just tried to phone the number below and it is ringing then cutting off. :'(
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The Marriage of Job Edwards and Mary Tunley was listed in the Hayes Marriage Index for Ruabon in 1850.Job's Father's name is given as a Thomas Edwards.However Mary Tunley's Father is listed as Edward Williams,which seems strange to say the least!
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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The Marriage of Job Edwards and Mary Tunley was listed in the Hayes Marriage Index for Ruabon in 1850.Job's Father's name is given as a Thomas Edwards.However Mary Tunley's Father is listed as Edward Williams,which seems strange to say the least!
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
Well she was either illegitimate or a widow when she married - did it give her marital status, William?
and;:
I might have found him :-\
In my restless, tired state, i thought of the Edwards/Chirk/Coal mining connection and looked at the Chirk records.
I've found a Job Edwards, bpt 23 Feb 1812 (born 8th) son of Thomas and Mary.
Gadget :)
So that looks not too bad at all Piffy ;)
Good one William ;D
Gadget
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The Hayes Marriage Index only gave the names of the Bride and Groom,plus of course the fathers names.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Hi Piffy
Re your possible Mary Tunley. I noticed that she was born Llanymynech, Shropshire. A search on the IGI shows a Mary Williams, b. 25 Nov 1820, bpt. 10 Dec 1820, Llnaymynech. Father was Edward Williams and mother, Elizabeth :)
I couldn't find a previous marriage for her and a Tunley though :(
Gadget
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ye gads you chaps are good!!!! Thank you both VERY much! I have just sent a message to WRjones to explain why I haven't been on to reply. it is work and sharing the computer that has me on and off and appearing on line but not being there Gadget. And now I've just read this and want to stay on SOOOOOOOO much!! But I can't!!!!! I just need to get which baby Mary we are talking about and we are definitely connected. I will try get back on this afternoon
thanks again.
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Well, if your Job is the son of Thomas and Mary, I'll probably have some records for them in my little store. I think it's cert time now Piffy :)
Gadget
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I have just phoned to order a birth certificate for the Oswestry Mary. But they only do it by post and you just get a recorded message. so it would be a week at least until I find out if this is the right Mary.
I will send for the marriage certificate though. because the chances of a Job Edwards marrying a Mary from Lyanymynech just before the first child was born also named Mary seem pretty conclusive?
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Well, we don't know for 100% sure that Mary Tunley is the Mary Williams but the only way is to get the certificate.
Gadget
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Hi Piffy
I expect you'll be on soon :)
I've been looking at my 'stuff'. There seem to have been 2 Thomas and Mary Edwards having children baptised in Chirk - one pair living at Wern Weston, in ST Martins parish, Shropshire and one pair obviously working at Chirk Castle. Eitehr could be the parents - or someone else entirely. Wern Weston is near the pub where Job eventually settled and Bronygarth, where Job was in 1841, and Chirk Castle estate have links ??? There's a possible Thomas and Mary Edwards on the 1851, Weston Rhyn (same place as Wern Weston really) - Thomas, aged 60, born Nantyr (beyond Glynceiriog) and Mary, 62, born Llansantfraid (? Glynceiriog or other).
I've also found a possible Edward and Elizabeth Williams in 1841 in Llanymynech but can't find them in 1851.
I think we should now wait for your certificates to arrive - mustn't jump the gun ;)
Gadget :)
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okay Gaget! I will get sent off tomorrow for the certs. I will be back to you once they arrive.. thanks. the two Thomas and Mary's? are these as well as the Thomas at Black Park Colliery? I am a bit confussed.
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We don't know for sure if Thomas was connected with Black Park colliery yet Piffy. i think we'll wait for your certificates.
Gadget
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Apparently the Oswestry Office is no longer available for the issuing of Copy Certificates.You will have to get them from the Shrewsbury Office.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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I was a bit suspicious William, because I tried a while ago and was referred by some people on 'another channel' to Shrewsbury.
I've filled in my order form, posted about a fortnight ago but not received anything yet - but it was a 'search and cert if poss' request. Cousin DS and I are getting desperate to find our Catherine Stokes death record. She died Pontfaen/Bronygarth after the 1841 census and before 1851 - she might have remarried but :-\ I've searched 1837 ONline for both deaths and marriages for those years and my cousin has looked through all the parish record films for St Martins, Selattyn, Llangollen, Pontfadog, Glynceiriog and I've checked Chirk. They were staunch methodists but, at that time, a death cert would have been needed for burial :'( :'( :'(
Gadget (just to show Piffy that she's not the only one)