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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: valmai on Wednesday 28 January 04 20:31 GMT (UK)
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i am able to look stuff up in the auckland central library, and would be glad to help if anyone wants anything looking up eg obits in newspapers etc. i am new at this and will be happy to get practice in on your queries!
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Would you please be kind enough to look up death records/obits for the following:-
Thomas Trow born 10 Feb 1868 Llandinam, Montgomery, Wales, died 27 Sep 1937 Auckland, NZ. His wife Margaret Eliza Trow (nee Owen) born 7 Jul 1880 Newtown, Montgomery, Wales, died 24 Jan 1941 Auckland, NZ. They are both buried in Waikumete, NZ (I hope I've spelt that correctly!).
They emigrated to NZ approx 1895 - 1896, their first son was born in 1897 in NZ. They had a further 16 children!!!!!
Any information you find would be most appreciated.
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Hello again, I forgot to ask the following in my previous message ::) :-
What records are you able to access? Am I correct in thinking that NZ doesn't have census records like the UK? If that is the case, how do you look up families - is it the Electoral Rolls?
Can you also get access to BMD records?
Thank you :D
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hello jan
i was born in bridgnorth, quite near you.
i'm not sure what i can look up, i will find out on monday, as this is a holiday weekend here (waitangi day weekend).
i work for the council and can easily get to the central library, where i looked up an obit for someone in australia last week.
regards, valmai
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Hello Valmai
Thank you for your prompt reply. :)
Bridgnorth isn't far away from Shrewsbury, it takes about half an hour's drive - what a small world!!!!!
I will wait to her from you once you have returned to work - enjoy your holiday weekend.
Regards, Jan
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hi there
what a kind offer!
my gg grandmother went to nz between 1891-1901 its a bit of a story but she was a widow with a baby who she left behind in uk.
Her maiden name was SARAH NEWMAN b 1862
she married FITZHERBERT WILLIAMS 1881
had daughter millicent 1889
fitzherbert died 1890
so: we dont know if she travelled as williams or newman
we had a photo/postcard of her after 1902 riding a horse in nz and she had signed it on the back as SC so she must have married a mr C?
SARAH was born in farnham - surrey her mothers name was maria fathers name was george.
apart from coming to nz to look it up myself i dont really know what else to do so i wonder if you think this is enough to find her
many thanks teresa murray
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dear tess
i will go and start looking on monday. xxxv
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wow,
thanks valmai - cant say how grateful i am - we had given up hope of ever finding her - it goes without saying, if you would like anything looked up this end let me know and ill do my (not very expert) best
regards tess
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dear jan lloyd
i have photocopied the death notices in the new zealand herald as follows:
death notices nz herald 25th january 1941, cuttings file: TROW on january 23rd at auckland hospital, maragaret, beloved wife of the late thomas trow, penrose road, ellerslie, aged 61 years. interred this afternoon at waikumete cemetery.
death notices nz herald 29th september 1937, cuttings file: TROW on september 27 at auckland hospital. thomas, beloved husband of margaret trow, penrose road, ellerslie, aged 69. with christ, which is far better. funeral from morrison's chapel, parnell, tomorrow (thursday) at 11 a.m. for waikumete.
i can post these copies to you, how do you let me know your snail mail address? or box number maybe?
xxv
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dear teresa murray
i havent looked at a microfiche in 30 years and now i remember why! i am seasick, lurching about like a drunk and getting funny looks in the office.
anyway, i searched the BMD index for sarah newman and sarah williams, from 1891 to 1901 and found various sarah anns but no sarah. i can give you the folio numbers, but need to go back to the library after work and check 1902 first. maybe she is in there.
will post a reply later today, xxv
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thanks valmai, its so kind of you to do this - dont make yourself ill gor goodness sake - i too am off to records office today to look up local newspapers on fiche so will probably have a good ol` migraine when i get home!!
thanks again teresa
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Thanks Valmai very much indeed :D. & thank you for taking the time to look them up for me.
I'm not certain how I'm going to let you have my home address, I don't want to give it out on this site, for obvious reasons. Do you have a scanner? If so, you could send the scans as attachments to your reply to this message board (see the Attach: box below). I don't know if it will work, but worth a try. If not, then I'll have to think of another plan of action!!!
Thank you once again,
Jan Lloyd
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dear jan
margaret trow death notice scanned doc attached.
xxv
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dear jan
and thomas trow...
xxv
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dear teresa
i went up to 1905 and only found sarah-somethings in the BMD indexes. some of the records are typed and some written in the most beautiful copperplate handwriting.
1891 williams, sarah ann, sarah elizabeth, sarah flora, sarah josephine.
1892 williams, sarah ann
1893 none
1894 none
1895 none
1896 williams, sarah ann
1897 williams, sarah ann (hagen); williams, sarah ann (waite)
1898 williams, sarah ann
1899 none
1900 none
1901 none
1902 williams, sarah amelia; williams, sarah jane
1903 williams, sarah ann
1904 williams, sarah ethel
what next? where woould you like me to look? does the horseback picture show the area she was in?
xxv
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dear jan
the trows are buried in waikumete cemetery presbyterian block E row 20 plot 67. would you like a photo? it would be interesting for me so feel free.
xxv
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hi valmai
so kind of you to do all that work - i dont know what to suggest really - the photo/postcard i have doesnt really give much of a clue- it must have been taken around 1902-1906 maybe so she would have been in her 40s-as a rider myself i can tell that she could actually ride a horse- she is riding astride and the horse has a bridle without a noseband so looks quite `western` compared with the `english` style. the horse is standing on the edge of a river but i guess it could be anywhere in new zealand. The onlt thing i could think was that she might have married a farmer-why else would she have learnt to ride? Or maybe it was common for women to ride in those days?? I will get back to my cousin and try and get some more info and have some thoughts about where to go next.
thanks again for your help
Teresa
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Hello Valmai
Thank you very much indeed for the attached scans :D - you really are very kind.
I would love a photo of Waikumete Cemetery, but only if its no bother to you. I hope you don't mind.
I really enjoy the New Zealand part of my research because I do have a particular interest in the country - would love to go there one day!!! My best friend is from Auckland and moved over her in 1990 to marry her British husband.
Thank you
Jan
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Valmai:
My maternal grandparents arrived in Auckland from England in about 1900.
Their names were James Kay Horsfield and Alice Harding. They were married in the Auckland Registrar's Office on 12 November 1900 after they had met on-board ship.
I am wondering if you can find any information on the name of their ship and date of arrival in New Zealand.
Any assistance would be appreciated.
Serena.
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hello serena
i will have a go at this, havent done any ship searches before, so will get back to you when i can.
xxv
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Thank you. Much appreciated.
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hello serena, sorry for delay, busy week last week.
at the moment, i am waiting for archives nz to get back to me with a copy of the intention to marry, which they would have had to file, and on that it should say the length of time they had lived in nz. it should be the same for both of them if they arrived on the same ship. from that, i will have narrowed down the time-frame in which to look for their ship.
apparently the maritime museum here in auckland has heaps of stuff such as passenger lists etc so that will be my next stop. funny, it didnt seem such an intertesting place when my husband dragged me there when we first arrived in nz!
xxv
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dear jan
i have photos but they are too big to post here and you need the detail to see the inscription. can you reply to me privately and i will send them to you directly be email? my email address is osbornv at akcity dot govt dot nz. take out the 'dot' and replace with '.', and take out the 'at' and replace with '@'.
xxv
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Good Mroning:
You are going to a lot of trouble for me. I hope it is not too much of an imposition.
I would understand if you said you couldn't do any more.
Your efforts are greatly appreciated.
Serena
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JanLloyd
dear jan, ps the cemetery details are: presbyterian section, block E, row 20, plot 67.
i drove there at the weekend, with my daughter and found a HUGE wilderness, more and more wild as one gets away from the main entrance. the roads arent labeled very well and i drove round in circles for a while before deciding that one very rough road must be it. i parked under a tree and we got out to start searching for the grave, only to find that i had parked right next to it and we had to walk 2 steps to get the photos!
it was rather sad to see how totally neglected the graves are in that section, but i think that when i phoned to ask for the directions, the lady at the cemetery must have gone to the grave herself and had a tidy. in the photos, you will see that it is very scruffy, but stands out from the others in that area like a bright star.
xxv
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Hi, how good of you to do all this work-you must love it! I have something for you to do. Please lookup Gordon Radcliffe who was born in India but died in an auto accident in Auckland about 1991. His first wife was Thelma, I think they married in India and had 4 children, one was born in Auckland about 1960 after which his mother died. See if you can find this family. If you need them I can give you names of the living children....Thanks BH
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Hi.
Maybe you can help me. My Aunt that I had never meet had 2 Step children . Their name's are Garry Raymond Dobson and Pamela Mary [married name unknown ???] My Aunt's name was Dorothy Angela Woollright .She married their father Trevor Sylvester in 1948 he died a few month's later. My Aunt died in 1963 or 1964. They lived at Hamilton N.Z. I would like to trace Garry or Pamela just to know a little about my Aunt. They may not even be alive but hopefully they are . :-[ Do you think you could help me find them . Thankyou.
trish.
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"My maternal grandparents arrived in Auckland from England in about 1900."
dear serena
i have just received a letter from Archives New Zealand, they apologise for the delay in replying, but provide useful information. james and alice married on 112th november as you said, and in their 'intention to marry' notice, they say they have resided in nz for 6 days. this could mean that they landed in nz on the 6th november, if the ship docked in auckland. so i can have a go at finding their ship if you like. i havent done any of that so far, perhaps you would prefer to look for yourself? if you need me to look up stuff that you cant find on line, let me know, i will be happy to help.
i will forward the letter from archives nz to you, can you let me have a postal address? you can contact me on my email address: osbornv_at_akcity_dot_govt_nz.(change punctuation as required)
xxv
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" Maybe you can help me. My Aunt that I had never meet had 2 Step children . Their name's are Garry Raymond Dobson and Pamela Mary [married name unknown ???] My Aunt's name was Dorothy Angela Woollright ."
dear trish
i have looked them up in the whitepages online, and found a g r dobson who isnt yours, he's a glen. i cant find them that way, can you give me more information? for instance, how old were/are they? what records would you like me to search?
xxv
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dear jan
i havent heard from you, would you like these photos? contact me on my email address as follows, change the punctuation as required: osbornv at akcity dot govt dot nz. take out the 'dot' and replace with '.', and take out the 'at' and replace with '@'.
xxv
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[quote Please lookup Gordon Radcliffe who was born in India but died in an auto accident in Auckland about 1991. His first wife was Thelma, I think they married in India and had 4 children, one was born in Auckland about 1960 after which his mother died. See if you can find this family. If you need them I can give you names of the living children....Thanks BH
hello, i would be glad to help look stuff up, but i really need more specific requests. can you tell me in which records and timeframe you would like me to start, and for which person/persons?
xxv
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My grandparents - James Kay Horsfield and Alice Harding did arrive in Auckland in 1900. I have tried to find shipping details on the internet but have been unsuccessful so would appreciate it if you could do a search for me.
Thanks again for your willing assistance - I will be in touch.
Serena
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" Maybe you can help me. My Aunt that I had never meet had 2 Step children . Their name's are Garry Raymond Dobson and Pamela Mary [married name unknown ???] My Aunt's name was Dorothy Angela Woollright ."
dear trish
i have looked them up in the whitepages online, and found a g r dobson who isnt yours, he's a glen. i cant find them that way, can you give me more information? for instance, how old were/are they? what records would you like me to search?
xxv
Hi
A few month's ago I wrote to all the Dobson's in Hamilton but only a few replyed so I dont think they are there. I have my Aunt's WILL here and she left everything to her Infant Step-Children. So by infant I would say they would be now about late 60's or 70's. I dont know anymore than this about them . My Aunt was acidently kill by a motorbike in march 1963 at Hamilton. :) Thankyou again.
Trish.
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Hello Valmai,
I would be grateful if you could check the death indexes for James Patrick Milroy. He was born in Edinburgh in 1856, and was last heard from on Dec. 31, 1891, when he wrote his mother from Auckland. At the time he was employed by the Kauri Timber Co.
This is a shot in the dark, but I wonder whether he might have died in Auckland shortly after this date. His family was never able to trace what became of him.
Many thanks for your help!
Ian McDonald
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Hello Ladies, ;D Sorry to butt in here, but if you want to send a "private message" with out putting your own email in the message, just click on the person's name up on the left hand side of their message,. Their profile will come up, just scroll down and you will see; "send a private message" just click on that and you are on your way. What a great job you are doing Valmai! ;) Cheers! and hope this helps a bit. :D
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'This is a shot in the dark, but I wonder whether he might have died in Auckland shortly after this date. His family was never able to trace what became of him.
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i have started going through the death index, so far i am up to 1922, he's not there yet, will continue and let you know progress.
xxv
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Thank you very much. That sounds like a lot of work!
Do the death indexes cover all of New Zealand or just Auckland? My guess is that he didn't return to Britain, but it is also possible that he went back to Australia, where he had participated in several scientific/exploring expeditions in the desert.
Ian
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yes, they cover all nz and are contained in one little drawer! this is a SMALL country (in terms of population). xxv
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I keep forgetting! And yet I have visited New Zealand. It is very beautiful.
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hello there, sorry for delay!
i h ave searched ALL the death records in nz for your milroy and he is not there. so he may indeed have moved to oz as you suggested. there werent very many milroys at all, i noted them down if you think you may need them.
xxv
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This is very much appreciated. I guess my next move will be to see if there might have been a police inquiry into his disappearance. This could be a long haul!
To the best of my knowledge, there were no related Milroys in New Zealand.
Thank you so much for all your help!!
Ian