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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Shropshire => Topic started by: v966732 on Wednesday 15 March 06 13:52 GMT (UK)
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Does anyone have access to the parish records for Cleobury Mortimer.
I'm looking for info..baptism records, marriage records etc for Henry Knott born about 1818 in Cleobury Mortimer. His wife was Mary and she was from LLANDRINDOD WELLS Powys Wales.
Their first son also Henry was born about 1839 in Cleobury Mortimer but their next son John was born about 1842 in Bromsgrove.
I'm looking for more info prior to 1818.
Is there just the one church in Cleobury Mortimer? and does it have records available for viewing by visitors?
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Hi v,
There are some records on the IGI at www.familysearch.org
I can see a christening at Cleobury Mortimer
Henry Mayne Knott
2 Nov 1817
parents Richard and Harriet
Tanja :)
plus a few other children with second name Mayne/Main!!
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... and according to 1861 and 1871, he is Henry M Knott indeed :D
(but his wife is a Martha ??? in 1861 and by 1871 he's married to an Ann born Dawley)
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The parish records for Cleobury Mortimer are held on microfiche at the Shropshire Archives CLICK HERE (http://www.shropshire.gov.uk/archives.nsf)
You could request a look up on the Shropshire Look up Request Board - I live quite close to the Archives and would be willing to have a look for you next time I go.
Jan
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Lloydy,
Thanks for the lookup offer.....I'll sort out exact details and post them on the lookup board.
Tati,
That looks like the right people. Henry Knott was married to Mary Ann so this could explain the Martha and then the Ann. As far as we can tell her maiden name was Rogers.
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I think he was married several times...
September 1838 - Henry M Knott to Mary Ann Rodgers
December 1855 - Henry Mayne Knott to Martha Dodd
December 1866 - Henry M Knott to Ann Gough
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hello,
possibly of no use but a Richard Knott was listed as a cooper in Cleobury Mortimer in 1828.
s.g.d.
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I myself am looking into the Knotts at Cleobury Mortimer my Great Great Grandfather James Mayne Knott(Born 1844) had a brother called Henry Mayne Knott (one of 7 children including Harriet M Knott/Thomas M Knott/Sarah M Knott/John M Knott/and a Richard Mayne Knott named after his father and grandfather!)Richard Mayne Knott their father was born in 1814 and married to Caroline Marie. Therefore this is to early for your date of 1818.
However Richard Mayne Knott (born 1814) had many other siblings but I only know about his brother John, and I also know about his father called Richard(just to make it easy!) Knott(Born 1789) It is possible that the Henry Knott you are looking for was one of the other children of this Richard Knott who married Evelyn Mayne in 1813.
Richard Knott's father was a Farmer and a Cooper born 1762 and that is where my records stop.Whilst Evelyn was the only daughter of Sir William Mayne and Lady Evelyn, Evelyn Mayne (the daughter) had a brother who went on to become a senior figure under Peel in the early Police Force -Sir Richard Mayne).
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Hi,
In the early days of Worcestershire Constabulary there were a couple of Knotts -
Joseph Knott who joined in 1840 aged 21
Richard Knott who joined in 1859 aged 21
If you are interested please let me know,
Regards
Richard
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I am trying to identify a Henry Mayne Knott mentioned as father on the marriage of a William Charles Knott to a Harriet Maud Merritt in 1909 Gloucester. I have been helped on this site in trying to identify William Charles Knott but he doesn't seem to exist. Family story has it that WC changed his name and I am wondering if he was in fact also a Henry Mayne Knott born June Q 1875 Clifton mentioned on the 1881 Census as 5yrs of age and son of Henry Mayne Knott, his mother Eliza Knott and siblings Harriet, James, Eliza & Annie. It is also possible that this same person married before 1909 as Henry Mayne Knott in Dec Q 1899 a Bessie Hamblin Button and had a daughter.
If anyone knows this family or can help, it would be greatly appreciated - thanks, Sashar
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I am researching my family history and I wonder if any of this may be of help. I have obtained copies of 1861 and and 1891 Census lists. The family name is "Knott" and both census reports show John Knott and Elizabeth Knott. In addition, the 1891 Census shows their son William Knott. The handwritten details are not to clear but the address may be Melbourne Place or Melbourne Terrace ??
John Knott was my Gt Gt Grandfather and William Knott was my Gt Grandfather. Both father and son worked as Coopers as did later male members of the family. I also have later cnsus lists for 1881 and 1891 for William Mayne Knott and family.
I have a family group photograph which I inherited from my grandmother (Beatrice Mary Mayne Knott) which was taken when they all were living in Stourport - on - Severn (looking at the style of clothing this may have been around late 1890's). I can identify some family members but cannot identify the senior members of the family although I believe they are John and William Knott and their respective wives.
I realise that the time frame that your researching is not the same but the details may be of interest. It may well be that your research into earlier details on the mayne knott families may well be of interest to me - they well be early ancestors of mine!
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I'm not sure if I can help at all as I'm still rather confused with the Knott family.
What years were your G G Grandfather John and G Grandfather William born?
Sashar :)
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Thank you for the reply Sashar. Yes, the Knott family is rather confusing! Well here goes...I've listed the lot!
1861 Census (carried out on 7th April) Parish of Claine: Ecclesiastical Parish of Claines -
The Knott family are listed as:
John Knott (Head) aged 40yrs - Cooper . Birthplace Cleobury Mortimer, Salop (b 1821).
Elizabeth Knott (Wife) aged 39yrs. Birthplace Diddlebury, Salop (b 1822).
William Knott (Son) aged 7yrs. Birthplace Stourport, Worcester (b 1854)
All listed as living at either Melbourne Place or Melbourne Terrace?
1891 Census (carried out on 3rd April) County Worcester. Civil Parish South Claines.
Only lists John Knott and Elizabeth Knott aged 70yrs and 69yrs respectiveley - no mention of William Knott. Listed as living at 2 Melbourne Street .
1881 Census (carried out 3rd April) Borough of Birmingham. Now its the Mayne Knott family listed as:
William John Mayne Knott (Head) aged 26yrs - Cooper. Birthplace Worcester Stourport (b 1855).
Kate Mayne Knott (Wife) aged 24yrs. Birthplace Worcester (b 1857)
Evelyn Mayne Knott (Daughter) aged 3yrs Birthplace Worcester Stourport (b 1878)
Beatrice Mary Mayne Knott (Daughter) aged 1yr Birthplace Warwick Birmingham (b 1879)
Mary A Eskins?? (Boarder) aged 18yrs - Sauce Pickle Maker. Birthplace Worcester (b 1863)
1901 Census (carried out 31st March) County of Worcester parish Lower Mitton.
William John Mayne Knott (Head) aged 46yrs - Cooper. Kate Mayne Knott (Wife) aged 44yrs.
Evelyn Mayne Knott (Daughter) aged 23yrs. Beatrice Mary Mayne Knott (Daughter) aged 21yrs.
Leonard Mayne Knott (Son) aged 16yrs. Kate Mayne Knott (Daughter) aged 14yrs.
Ethel Mayne Knott (Daughter) aged 12yrs. Harold Mayne Knott (Son) aged 10yrs.
Reginald Mayne Knott (Son) aged 9yrs.
Don't know what happend on the 1871 and the 1881 Censuses for other variations of the Knott surname. The above was forwarded to me following an internet search (more work for me to do). I also received the following information by email from the same source:
John William Mayne Knott married Kate Smith at Kidderminster in 1876.
Baptism of John Edwin Mayne Knott, son of Richard & Harriett, at Cleobury Mortimer, Shropshire, born 14 Mar 1821, baptised 22 Apr 1821.
The more I search the family background the more confusing it becomes! I suspect that the census details I have may be for two different families of Knotts???? One being "Mayne Knott" and the other is just "Knott". I've been related to the "Mayne Knotts" all my life and always found it confusing. As the saying goes....a knotty problem!
Hope all this is of some use.
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I believe my Henry Mayne KNOTT b. c1817 was the son of Richard and Harriet.
There is a christening at Cleobury Mortimer for Henry, 2.11.1817 on family search which I've followed up with this:-
1838 - Marriage at Wolverhampton of Henry Mayne KNOTT and Mary Ann ROGERS.
1841 Census - HO107/1195/4/16/25 Address: Bromsgrove Worcestershire
Henry KNOTT 20 - cooper - N
Mary 25 N
Henry 3 N -this is who I think later became George Henry Williams b.c1839
John 3 mo Y
Labright COX 50 - nail mr -Y
Emma COX 12 Y
1851 Census
HO107/1985 208 4
Stottesden, Shropshire Village
Henry Knott, head, 33, Cooper, b. Cleobury Mortimer
Mary Ann, wife, 30, b. Radnor Llandrinden?
Henry, son, 12, at home errand boy, b. Salop Ludlow
John, son, 9, scholar, b. Worcester Bromsgrove (I think)
Emma, dau, 6, scholar, b. Cleobury Mortimer
1855 - Marriage of Henry Mayne KNOTT to Martha DODD
1861 Bridgnorth census.
RG9/1849 1+ Enum. District 1. Folio 12B. Sch 103.
33 High Street, Bridgnorth.
Henry M KNOTT, Head, Mar, 40, Cooper, Cleobury Mortimer, Shropshire.
Martha KNOTT, Wife, Mar, 30, Bewdley, Worcs.
In the same property as a REEDE or REESE family.
In the Bridgnorth Municipal cemetery is the burial of Martha KNOTT, age 44, wife of Henry. Buried 16 Sept 1866. Grave No. 1306 Unconsecrated ground.
SO WHERE WERE ALL THE CHILDREN IN 1861? Henry Jnr would be 22, John 19 and Emma 16.
1866 - marriage of Henry Mayne KNOTT to Ann GOUGH born Dawley (3 months after Martha's death).
I think that was all I could find for Henry and Ann KNOTT nee Gough. Couldn't find them in 1871 Census onwards.
I think they have to be connected in some way, the occupations as Coopers and the birthplaces, the disappearances off the Census - all a bit sus ;) My lot seem to have taken on the name WILLIAMS for a while.
If you make another post I can contact you offlist.
Sashar
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Hi Sashar,
Since providing you with the information in 2006 about Henry M KNOTT in Bridgnorth;
1861 Bridgnorth census.
33 High Street, Bridgnorth.
Henry M KNOTT, Head, Mar, 40, Cooper, Cleobury Mortimer, Shropshire.
Martha KNOTT, Wife, Mar, 30, Bewdley, Worcs.
In the Bridgnorth Municipal cemetery is the burial of Martha KNOTT, age 44, wife of Henry. Buried 16 Sept 1866. Grave No. 1306 Unconsecrated ground.
additional information has become available.
From the local newspaper 'The Bridgnorth Journal'
Issue 14 June 1862;
There was a lengthy court case report involving theft from Henry Mayne KNOTT - boot & shoe maker in High Street. Mentions Martha KNOTT, wife of Henry.
Issue 22 April 1865;
Public Notice - The Partnership between James RODEN and Henry KNOTT, trading as Roden & Knott - Brass & Iron founders of Underhill Street, has been dissolved.
Issue 4 May 1867;
Henry M KNOTT was placing weekly advertisements for his Boot & Shoe establishment in The New buildings.
So were there two Henry KNOTT's, with a wife Martha, in Bridgnorth?
Gwynne
http://rafbridgnorth.org.uk
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Thanks Gwynne,
You have a good memory :D
I don't think I have come across 2 Henry M's with wife as Martha but each day seems to turn up something new.
I'm beginning to think they were leading double lives.
There are quite a few Henry Mayne KNOTT's and Henry M KNOTT's around the place but as you said, after 6 yrs I've still not untangled them.
At least you've revealed something different to occupy their time besides being Coopers :)
There seem to be quite a few KNOTT unravellers out there and we are all in a muddle.
Appreciate your information and it may just slot in somewhere,
Kind Regards,
Sashar
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I recently contacted Cleobury Mortimer History Society with a request for information relating to the Knott family. The following reply may be of interest:
CM parish records
Jane baptised 29 09 1815 Parents John & Mary(?) Knott. John = cooper
Richard Mayne, William Mayne and Henry Mayne baptised (triplets!) baptised 02 11 1817. Parents Richard & Harriet Ann Knott. Richard = cooper
Elizabeth Main baptised 21 11 1819. Parents Richard & Harriet Knott. Richard = cooper
John Edwin Mayne baptised 22 04 1821, born 30 March. Parents Richard & Harriett Knott. Richard = cooper.
Anne baptised 25 05 1823, born 23 March. Parents Richard & Harriet Knott. Richard = cooper.
No further records....
Census
1841 census Richard, 49, Harriet,60, John, 20, Ann 18 were living at the Viols CM. Richard = cooper.
1851 census John,30 Elizabeth,29, Richard,59 living in the High St CM. Richard still a cooper.
1861 census Richard , lodger, widower age 69. Still a cooper. Living in Church Street. Born in Lindridge, Worcs.
Free BMD
02 May 1850 marriage between John Knott & Elizabeth Morris in CM. Both fathers called Richard.
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Great, thanks for sharing that information - triplets :o that was a surprise!
Many thanks,
Sashar :)
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I've recently come across the website below and wonder if anyone following the Knott family knows if the information is correct.
It has Harriet Mayne KNOTT m. John RIDGWAY. Harriet b. 1812 d. 1903, daughter of Richard and Harriet Mayne KNOTT.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSsr=41&GSmcid=47412149&GRid=76885556&
Thanks,
Sashar :)
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Richard Mayne, William Mayne and Henry Mayne baptised (triplets!) baptised 02 11 1817. Parents Richard & Harriet Ann Knott. Richard = cooper
Found on Family Search that Richard Mayne KNOTT was born 03 Dec 1813 but baptised 2.11.1817
William Mayne KNOTT was born 17 Jul 1815 but baptised 2.11.1817.
Henry Mayne KNOTT was born 11 Jul 1817 baptised 2.11.1817.
So NOT triplets!
On William Mayne KNOTT's baptism they have mother as Harriet ANN
ALSO under England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8) on Family Search they have baptisms for Richard 8.12.1813 and William 15.11.1815.
So it seems they were baptised as Non-Conformists and then later in a different denomination?.
Also Harriet Mayne KNOTT baptised 13.12.1812 St Clement, Worcester - parents Richard and Harriet
I haven't been able to find a marriage for parents Richard Mayne KNOTT to Harriet?
Anyone else found that yet?
Regards,
Sashar :)
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Thanks for the information - sorry not to have replied sooner but have been on holiday for a couple of weeks. I'll contact Cleobury Mortimer History Society and see if I can find out any more details. Is it possible we've got more than one Mayne Knott family all with the same names or am I confusing the "Mayne Knotts" with the "Knotts" ????? The Knott becomes more tangled than ever! I've spoken to a relative who married into the Mayne Knott family and she can't understand things either.
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From the local newspaper 'The Bridgnorth Journal'
Issue 14 June 1862;
There was a lengthy court case report involving theft from Henry Mayne KNOTT - boot & shoe maker in High Street. Mentions Martha KNOTT, wife of Henry.
Issue 22 April 1865;
Public Notice - The Partnership between James RODEN and Henry KNOTT, trading as Roden & Knott - Brass & Iron founders of Underhill Street, has been dissolved.
Issue 4 May 1867;
Henry M KNOTT was placing weekly advertisements for his Boot & Shoe establishment in The New buildings.
Just like to thank Gwynne for posting the above. I had not mentioned any of the above to a relative in the UK and he recently emailed me saying that he's heard a family story that the KNOTT's had something to do with owning a Shoe Business!! As the KNOTT's seemed always to be recorded as Coopers I was quite surprised and grateful that Gwynne had posted these little snippets which have now connected family recollections with fact.
All came beautifully together - another KNOTT unravelled ;D
Mayne Knott - I guess some of the family could have integrated the two surnames Mayne and Knott and used them as the one surname while others just used KNOTT. Be interested in what else you can find at Cleobury Mortimer HS. Thanks for contacting again.
Sashar :)