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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Denbighshire => Wales => Denbighshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: piffy on Sunday 12 March 06 14:58 GMT (UK)
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Hello, new to this site but it looks good!!
I am searching for the birth or marriage of Job Edwards b1813 Llangollan.
There was a story handed down that his Father was a mine owner, but this is not at all certain. I do have a few leads and any help would be appreciated.
thanks
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Would I be right in saying that he is the Job Edwards found in the 1861 Census for Shropshire,shown with several children in Selattyn with Wife Mary who is shown as born in Selattyn in c 1821.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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thats the chap. I have him on all the census 1951-1901. but nothing earlier excett Llangollan 1813
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BUT ON ALL OTHER CENCUS HE STATES LLANGOLLAN
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SORRY! just looked it up in 1861 he was in selattyn shropshire with assorted children and wife mary but his date was1813. living at the cross keys?
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wife from Llanmynech. yes that is them.. sorry I am new to this!
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Don't worry about being new to all this,we all have to start somewhere!You have got one advantage on me,as I have only been able to find him in 1861.
Regards
William Russell jJones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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there I go again! Doh! it was his Son Job I followed after that! he must have died before the 1871... what am I like?? ???
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It appears that I have taken on the role of "Go Between",for someone who I contacted on Genes Reunited about your Job,will shortly be answering you on this Site.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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I know him initials GP? we already share info! he will know who you mean if you tell him and it's the same person. :-*
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I have left him a message on Genes Reunited and told him about this site. hope you haven'y gone to too much trouble. sorry :-X
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I'm after info on Job Edwards b 1813 Llangollen. He would be around 24 and most likley in either Bronygarth in shropshire or Llangollen. may be married to Mary by then.
thax
piffy
Moderator Comment: topics merged
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Hello, new to this site but it looks good!!
I am searching for the birth or marriage of Job Edwards b1813 Llangollan.
There was a story handed down that his Father was a mine owner, but this is not at all certain. I do have a few leads and any help would be appreciated.
thanks
Hi Piffy
Are you still trying to find the birth/marriage info or has William sorted it?
Gadget
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no, still looking found a job listed as married in1842 but not found any more info on it yet Gadget
piffy
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Hi Piffy
The confusion over Llangollen or Selattyn as a birth place for Job is not new! Lots of us have experienced it :(
It is worth looking at a map, to understand:
The parish of Llangollen was very large and stretched from the River Dee over the hills to the Ceiriog valley and then down to just north of Llansilin. Those people living in the south eastern part of the parish often used Selattyn as their favoured Church.
Unfortuniately, I have not been able to find a JobEdwards baptised in either place around the time you state. There is a Job Edwards and wife Mary having children baptised around that time in Selattyn. I think they married in 1810: Job was a labourer, from Whittington.
There was a family of Edwards in Chirk who owned Black Park/Halton colliery. This might be worth investigating ;)
I'll have a think about it. I'm a bit zonked out after my trip back from London thru the snow.
RE your PM - If you have a look on the 'how to use Rootschat' board, you will find quite a bit of info put there by 'Berlin Bob' on uploading photos - for enclosure with messages and as a picture to go with your name (avatar).
Gadget
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I might have found him :-\
In my restless, tired state, i thought of the Edwards/Chirk/Coal mining connection and looked at the Chirk records.
I've found a Job Edwards, bpt 23 Feb 1812 (born 8th) son of Thomas and Mary.
Gadget :)
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Me again
Now I'm confused ??? ??? ???
Are we looking for Job Edwards b. around 1813 or are we looking at a Job Edwards, aged 60 in Selattyn on the 1851 with a wife Mary aged 62 - these two were the one's that I found had married in 1810.
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you are wonder woman gadget! The first one you found could be his parents if they married in 1810. but then the Chirk mine is fitting with the story, I keep getting thrown by birth places! My tiny mind can't keep remembering that most dates and places in these records are baptisms not births! SO! am I right in thinking that Llangollen on the birth certificate as place of actual birth may well be Selattyn or Chirk in the records for baptism? I know Chirk is close to Llangollen and Selattyn isn't THAT far away.
Confused now!
The birth date fits for Chirk, the name fits, the story fits and, if the wedding I found in 1942 oswestry is them, the story of leaving home because his Father dissapproved of the marriage and getting married fits. hmmmm!
moore searching needed THANK YOU Gadget! you're a star!!!
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In 1851, Job and Mary are in Bronygarth (Parish of St Martins, Shropshire). Again, this is one of those 'edge' townships on the very border with Llangollen and Chirk parishes.
At this time, Job was a Sawyer, but it is definitely them - he born Llangollen, circa 1813 and Mary, b. Llanymynech. They have their one year old daughter, Mary, with them. This would suggest a marriage between 1848-1850, probaly Oswestry Registration District.
You haven't mentioned the 1842 marriage before. It's possible but iffy ???
Alternatively, it might be worth trying to find the birth registration of Mary (between April 1849-Mar 1850) or one of the other children. This will give mother's maiden name.
Gadget
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Thank you I will try that next. the 1842 date was just one I found as A marriage of A Job Edwards in Oswestry. nothing certain at all.
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I THINK I have the marriage in Wrexham sept 1850. her name was Mary Turnley. I don't suppose there is a place I can find anything more online without sending for a marriage certificate is there? I also THINK I may have the birth of little Mary born in the last quarter of 1850, which would explain the family not being over joyed! I am still a bit new at this but I went on 1837 online. and these were the only matches for both marriage and birth.
I've never sent for a certificate before, is there a difference in the places you send for them? I got it off the Werxham council site.
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Hi Piffy
Are you sure the Wrexham one is correct. With their residences/birthplaces, I'd say the RD would be Oswestry or Corwen (covered Llangollen, etc.).
However, the only thing to do is bight the bullet but I'd get one of the children's Birth certs before the marriage one - you'll get mothers maiden name on that.
Gadget
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As I said I am new to it. as I understand it the records became a legal thing in 1837? and 1837 online has more or less most of them? I searched that and only came up with the ones I stated for Marriage of a Job Edwards in the two years before Mary (Jr's) birth I was very surprised to see so few nationwide for the same names. but, the only record I found for Mary (Jr.) as to her birth WAS from Oswestry 1850. SO, You think I would be best trying to get Mary(Jr) birth cert?
may I just go back a bit and ask how you found Job born 1812 in the records for Chirk? is that a thing on line? or just a thing you knew from previous searches? ... (piffle head (piffy)by name and piffle head by nature! )
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Piffy, I'd get Mary, jnr's birth cert before anything else.
Before 1837 we have to rely on baptismal records rather than birth records. Luckily I have access to the church records of most parishes in the border area (built up over the past five years). If they were RC, non-conformist or the parish clerk/clergy did not enter them, then it's more difficult.
When you get the cert, let me know and I'll help you over the next stage if you like :)
Gadget
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thax gadget. I will try sort that out