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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: Gadget on Tuesday 14 March 06 21:02 GMT (UK)
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I've just noticed the Altofts posting and remembered that I have masses of relatives in that area that I haven't been able to chase up after the 1901 census. I wonder if anyone recognises any of the following names.
They are all descended from Edward and Catherine Stokes who lived in Bronygarth, St Martins parish, Shropshire 1813 - 1840s. Edward was a coal miner. After Edward and Catherine's deaths most of their sons moved to Willenhall in Staffordshire. After the failure of the mines there they dispersed, some moving back to the mines of the North Wales/Shropshire borders and others moving to the Normanton area.
These are my Yorkshire relatives:
Stokes, Deakin, Allen,Swallow,White, Lee, Roberts, Brunning, Wall, King, Ward, Beecher, Lamb, Hodges, Griffiths
All households are STOKES unless stated otherwise.
1901 Castleford Rd, Normanton
Joseph b.1841, a coal miner.
With him are his daughter and son-in-law:
Winifred b.1870
Jeremiah DEAKIN, a coal miner, b.c. 1869.
1901 King St, Normanton
John b.1865, a coal miner/underground contractor.
Elizabeth b.c. 1867
with children:
William, b.1888;Emily, b.1889;Clara J, b.1891; Dorothy M, b.1899.
1901 Norland Tce, Altofts
Hannah b.1868
Richard ALLEN, a coal miner, b.c. 1868.
with children:
Ernest, b.1886; Elizabeth,b.1888; Louisa,b.1891;Mary,b.1892;Hannah, b.1894; Winifred,b.1896;Richard,b.1898.
1901 Three Tuns Inn, Providence St, Wakefield, Yorkshire
Louisa b.1872
John William SWALLOW, Innkeeper,b.c.1874.
with child:
Margaret Winifred,b.1897.
1901 Castleford Rd, Normanton
Benjamin, b.1844,a coal miner.
Mary b.c. 1845
with children:Emily,b.1879;Joseph A,b.1881;Ethel b.1887;Hilda b.1888.
1901 Claremont, Sandal Magna, Wakefield
John b.1867, a clerk, soap works.
Emma b.c. 1867,
with children:
Caroline Mary, b.1894;Milicent E, b.1897; Benjamin A. W, b.1900.
1901 Newland St, Sandal Magna, Wakefield
Winifred Ann b.1870
Charles W WHITE, master setter,b.c. 1868,
with child:
Mary E, b. 1897
1901 Kippax Pit, Allerton Bywater
Amelia Jane b.1876
John Thomas LEE, mechanical engineer,b.1869
with child:
Hilda M, b.1898
1901 447 Castleford Rd, Normanton
Mary Ellen, b.1870
Richard ROBERTS, a coal miner,b.1868
with children:
John Richard, b.1889;Joseph,b.1891;Alice,b.1893;Louisa,b.1895;Marie, b.1897; Lawrence W, b.1899; James Donald STOKES, b.1887
In 1910 they were living at 188 Castleford Rd. They were still in Normanton in 1932.
1901 Hope St, Sowerby Bridge, Yorkshire
(a widow with her four youngest children - Married 1873 George BRUNNING, a plate layer on railway)
Catherine, b.1852
with children:
Thomas William, b.1875;George,b.1882;James Edward,b.1884;Albert,b.1886;Robert,b.1889.
1901 Wakefield Rd, Sowerby Bridge,
Thomas b.1875, a velvet dyer.
Harriet b.c.1873
with children:
Violetta,b.1896;Milton,b.1898; Harold,b.1899
1901 Railway Side, Whitwood
Phoebe b.1854
Married:(1)Thomas WALL, probably a coal miner(died 1880-1881)
(2) Joseph KING,a coal miner, a widower, b.c. 1858.
In 1901, Pheobe is with her second husband and children:
Josiah Wall, b.1873;Thomas Wall, b.1875; Martha Wall,b.1877;Catherine Wall, b.1879;Mary Ann Wall, b.1880;Joseph King, b.1891;Phoebe King,b.1893;Benjamin King, b.1899; and Joseph's children by his first marriage: Agnes King, b.1884;George Henry King,1889.
1901 Charlotte St,Wakefield
Martha b. 1877
Frederick WARD, a stationary fireman,b.c. 1871.
No children in 1901.
1901 1 California Rd, Whitwood
(Sarah, b. 1856-1881)
Henry BEECHER,a coal miner,b.c.1855.
With children:
Emily, b.1875;William H,b.1877.
1901 Cemetry Lane, Normanton
Emily 1875
William LAMB, a coal miner, b.c. 1874.
with child:
Robert, b.1900
1901 Comely Lane, Normanton
Joseph, b.1859,a coal miner.
Married (1) 1884 Emma Bolland (died before 1891).
(2) 1892 Mary Elizabeth Johnson b.1866.
with children:
William, b.1886;Sarah,b.1893;Thomas,b.1895;Ellen,b.1898;Doris, b.1900.
1901 9 Stone St, Bradford
Maria, b. 1872
Charles HODGES, a railway vanman, b.c. 1871.
with children:
Frederick Charles, b.1899;Louise, b.1900.
1901 8 California Rd, Whitwood
Mary Ann 1874
John GRIFFITHS, a coal miner,b.c. 1867.
with children:
Norah, b.1898;Samuel,b.1899.Also, her nephew, Josiah WALL(son of Phoebe, above).
1901 36 Wilson St, Whitwood
Henry, b. 1877,a colliery banksman.
Hannah,b.c. 1878.
with children:
Mary A, b.1898; Edward, b.1900.
Apologies for the long list but I chased them all up last year, and one day they may be recognised :-\
Gadget
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Hi
I believe that I may be a relative of yours.
My Grandmother was Mary Ann Stokes. She married my grandfather John Griffiths on 9 May 1896 at whitwood parish church. They lived at 8 California Row Whitwood castleford.
If you believe we are related please contact
Porky
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PM me please with e-mail - don't put it here. I'll have to dig my Stokes stuff out.
Looks like your a 3rd or 4th cousin - I'll have to check - you might regret it ;D ;D ;D
Gadget
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Your list includes my grandfather Thomas Wall (who was indeed a coal miner living in Normanton). I knew his mother was Phoebe Stokes, and had traced her father as Thomas Stokes and (with some difficulty due to errors in census listings) his place of birth as Bron-y-garth (in the beautiful Ceiriog valley). As his father was dead by 1841 I hadn't managed to find his name, so was delighted to come across your posting. Is there a more efficient way I can communicate with you?
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ctcw:porky: Once you have 3 posts against your name you have access to the personal message system.
So just acknowledge you understand, then only a further post.
(I will advise on how to use the system following your next reply)
Brian
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Hi ctcw
As Brian says, just make a reply to this and you might be able to send me a PM (sometimes it's 2 posts and sometimes 3). When you can, you'll see a scroll type icon under my avatar ~ it looks like this (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/Themes/citiez_20a/images/im_off.gif) or (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/Themes/citiez_20a/images/im_on.gif)
Click on that and you will be able to send me a personal message (PM).
As it's 9 years since I posted this, I have a lot more info now.
I recall that I did have contact with porky as we didn't have a posting requirement for PMs in those days :)
Gadget
PS - I've just sent you a personal message ;D
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Just to add some more about the first entry on the list as I've found (yet again) a tree on Ancestry that is wrong :
1901 Castleford Rd, Normanton
Joseph b.1841, a coal miner. ???? Not found after this
With him are his daughter and son-in-law:
Winifred b.1870 Died Q 1, 1905, Wakefield RD. Age 35
Jeremiah DEAKIN, a coal miner, b.c. 1869 (Shropshire) . Re-married Q2 1906, Wakefield, to Annie Elizabeth Giles. 1911 37 Greenbank Road, Altofts with Irene, 1904; Florence, 1907.
Irene was Winifred’s daughter.- born Q2 (6 April 1903) , 1903, Wakefield RD. Baptised : 6 May 1903. With parents listed as Jeremiah and Winifred Deakin, 14 Station Street, Sandal. Irene married Q2, 1926, Wakefield to Harry Myers. Had two sons -1927, 1928 – possibly more? Irene died Q1, 1964, Claro, aged 64.
Additions entered in Teal.
If anyone could find the death/burial of Joseph. I'd be grateful.
Gadget
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I find difficulties with some of this research more like a quicksand than a brick wall!
I discovered Thomas Stokes with daughter Phebe (sic) on the version of the 1861 census on FreeCen: it does not appear on a search on Findmypast.
Phoebe had 3 husbands (not 2): her father-in-law Benjamin Wall had 3 wives.
His parents were John and Hannah. There were 5 marriages of John WALLs in Staffs in the period to girls called Ann/Hannah: I can only guess which was the right one.
On the other hand I find no marriages of Edward Stokes to a Catherine.
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Edward Stokes married Catherine Jones in 18
1513 (?), St Martins. He was a widower. The marriage is on FindMyPast, but I also have a copy.
Edward was the illegitimate son of an Elizabeth Stokes. he was b. 1776, and bpt Ellesmere. Catherine died in Willenhall in (I think) 1845 - also have her burial details. She went there with the sons.
This is from memory as I'm on laptop and my gedcoms, etc. are on my main PC.
Gadget
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Who was Phoebe's third husband?
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Phoebe's second husband was William Henry Delves (1857-1884): they married in 1881 in Wakefield district.
My uncle Terry used to visit his granny Phoebe in California Row when he was young (she didn't die till 1923), and he told me there had been 3 husbands.
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Just been looking at my tree. I seem to have a more of Pheobe's descendants to beyond the 1911.
Was your Uncle Terry b. 1905, son of Thomas Wall and Henrietta ?Broxup. ?
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Uncle Terry (christened Thomas Terry Wall) 31/10/1904-19/7/1995 was indeed the second child of Thomas Wall and Henrietta Broxup. I am still in touch with his daughter Nancy about the family history research. There were 7 children altogether - the youngest was Ben (1919-2007); I was glad we managed to visit him in Canada a few years before his death; and keep in touch with some of his children too.
I haven't done much research on the Broxup side - one of my cousins, Billy Broxup (a bookmaker, so the wealthy member of the family) had done quite a bit already on censuses.
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I'm descended from Edward and Catherine's son John who married Caroline Parish. I've tried to follow up all the descendants as far as possible. A rootschat member, WelshYorky, is also a descendant.
I'll see what I can dig up for you and send it via the e-mail you sent.
Haven't worked it out yet but we are maybe 3rd/4th cousins :)
Gadget
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I'm descended from Edward and Catherine's son John who married Caroline Parish. I've tried to follow up all the descendants as far as possible. A rootschat member, WelshYorky, is also a descendant.
I'll see what I can dig up for you and send it via the e-mail you sent.
Haven't worked it out yet but we are maybe 3rd/4th cousins :)
Gadget
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I was born Lee, my grandfather was a Deakin, I live in Altofts. I have a Jeremiah Deakin, born to
Henry Deakin and Sarah Hudson in around 1869. Henry was my great great grandfather and was
killed in the explosion on 2nd October 1886 at Pope and Pearson Colliery. Would love to know if
we have a family association. I shall be 73 on the 12th - so don't waste any time!!
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Hi
Hold on - I'm not that that many years behind you ;D - it looks as if your Jeremiah was married to Winnifred Stokes and the father of Irene Deakin. He was born Wellington Shropshire. On 1881, his parents are Henry and Sarah, b. Shropshire. living Park Row, Normanton.
Lots of children so will transcribe them and put them up.
Gadget
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Here they are:
1881
Park Row, Normanton
RG11/4573/35/63
Henry Deakin, 48, coal miner, b.Wenlock, Shropshire
Sarah, 44, b. Wellington, Shropshire
William, s, 22, coal miner, b. do
Meshach, s, 19, do, b. do
Elizabeth, d, 17, milliner, b. do
Jeremiah, s, 12, scholar, b. do
Geroge, s. 9, do, b. Altofts
Alfred, s, 5, do, b. do
Lilly,d, 3, b. Altofts
Annie, d, b. Normanton
John H Jones, boarder, 30, coal miner b. Wellington, Shropshire
They're living next to Joseph Stokes, with daughter Winnifred aged 11.
Gadget
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Pauline ~
I've just seen your posting on the Altofts thread. You say:
Henry was one of the deputies killed on 2nd October 1886 at the Pope and Pearson Colliery (Silkstone Seam) in Altofts, West Yorkshire. My grandfather, Alfred, was one of the son's of Henry
and Sarah, and my late mother, Lily, along with Clarence, George and Mary (all deceased) were
Alfred's children with Hannah Maria Brain whom he married on 25th December 1899 in St Mary Magdalene Church, Church Road, Altofts.
So definitely an in-law :)
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Bringing this forward in case you missed info about Jeremiah's eldest daughter, Irene.
Just to add some more about the first entry on the list ~
1901 Castleford Rd, Normanton
Joseph b.1841, a coal miner. ???? Not found after this
With him are his daughter and son-in-law:
Winifred b.1870 Died Q 1, 1905, Wakefield RD. Age 35
Jeremiah DEAKIN, a coal miner, b.c. 1869 (Shropshire) . Re-married Q2 1906, Wakefield, to Annie Elizabeth Giles. 1911 37 Greenbank Road, Altofts with Irene, 1904; Florence, 1907.
Irene was Winifred’s daughter.- born Q2 (6 April 1903) , 1903, Wakefield RD. Baptised : 6 May 1903. With parents listed as Jeremiah and Winifred Deakin, 14 Station Street, Sandal. Irene married Q2, 1926, Wakefield to Harry Myers. Had two sons -1927, 1928 – possibly more? Irene died Q1, 1964, Claro, aged 64.
Additions entered in Teal.
Gadget
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Yes, I have all that, and more. Thanks. I have 'Family Historian' on my computer, and my husband
has it on his computer, too. It's brilliant. I shall make sure that the information you have given
concurs with what I have. If, in the future, you wish, or need, to go further back, then help is here
and you just have to ask.
P
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Thanks for your kind offer. I also have Family Historian. I've had it for about 9 years or so - when it first came out - and have now got up to the latest version. It's very good.
I think I have most of the Stokes line as far back as possible at the moment but I might come back to you with some younger ones in your area! I'm presently looking for the descendants of Martha Stokes (Edward and Catherine's eldest daughter) who went to the USA in 1843.
My immediate line went back to Denbighshire/Shropshire from Willenhall. The ones here are descendants of my 3 x great grandparents :)
Gadget
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I also have a connection with the Pope & Pearson mine explosion: William Clegg, one of the rescue teams formed as a consequence of the inquiry into it, was a brother of my maternal grandfather.
And my paternal grandfather's mother was a Stokes, in a line now traced back to Edward (1776-1839).
By the way, I'm now 78, and don't plan to die just yet!