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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Dorset => England => Dorset Lookup Requests => Topic started by: philsearch on Tuesday 14 March 06 19:26 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone help solve a puzzle easier than me please. I am trying to find out about the Annetts family from Poole around the turn of the century.There seems to be only one family in Poole in 1901 staying with an Edwin Emberly(head). Looking at Free bmd at births i see there is a Grace Emberly Annetts. Looking forward to 1911 my freinds mother Edith Mary Annetts was born(not Emberly Annetts). Her mothers maiden name is down as Annetts but none of the other brothers or sisters. See why its a bit confusing. Thanks very much, Phil
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Edwin Emberley seems to have led an eventful life!
Looking through the censuses (I can give you details if you can't get to them) his father was a mariner. His mother remarried a William Stickley after his father's death. In 1881 Edwin is living with his wife Emma, and children Maria Louisa (age 3) and Edwin (age 1), but ten years later he is living with his mother, stepfather, two children, but no wife. He is still described as married, but I guess she may have died.
In 1901 my guess he is living with, and having children by Annie Annetts, although they never married - hence the use of both surnames. (From the bmd births it looks as if Edith had a twin (Queenie) who died before the census).
I suppose it is possible that Emma (Edwin's first wife) never died (ran away or was put in a home) which would explain his being called 'married' in 1891 and the fact that he didn't marry Annie.
If I have time I will look through the indices which may tie up some loose ends.
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Thats great. Thanks very much for your help. Any loose ends would be much appreciated if youve time. Cheers, Phil
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I haven’t been able to establish what happened to Edwin Emberly’s first wife, but my feeling remains that she was put into a mental institution, and that he started to have children by his ‘cook’, Annie Annetts, but never married her.
That hypothesis fits the known facts and explains why Edith Mary Annetts’ mother’s maiden name was Annetts (she never married).
In case someone else wants to have a go, here is Edwin through the censuses:
1861 RG9/1341/33/15
Jane Emberly, 37, mariner’s wife
Esther E, 14, dau
Elizabeth M E., 12, dau
Josiah J E., 10, son, ropemaker
Edwin E., 6, son
Eliza E., 2, dau all children b Poole
1871 RG10/1987/88/25
Jane Emberly, 46, seaman’s wife (husband at sea) b Lymington, Hants
Josiah J E., 20, son, sailor out of employ
Edwin E., 16, son, carter for stone mason
William E., 14, son, errand boy out of employ
Eliza E., 12, dau, assists mother all children b Poole
Marriage: Sep 1877 Edwin Emberley m Emma Annie Friend
1881 RG11/2095/20/33
Edwin Emberly, 26, lamplighter, b Poole
Emma A E., 25, wife, b London
Maria L E., 3, dau b Poole
Edwin T E., 1, son, b Poole
1881 RG11/2095/19/32
Josiah Emberly, 58, mariner, b Poole
Jane E., 58, wife, b Lymington
William, 245, son, mariner, b Poole
1881 RG11/5001/125/8
Wiiliam Sticklee, married, 64, mate on ‘Volunteer’ in Sunderland
Death: Dec 1886 Josiah John Emberley age 62 Poole
1891 RG12/1640/5/3
William Stickley, 71, mariner, b Lymington
Jane S., 66, wife, b Lymington
Edwin Emberley, 36, married, son, general labourer, b Poole
Edwin E., 11, son
Louisa E., 12, dau
1901 RG13/1982/10/11
Edwin Emberley, 45, married, gen. lab., b Poole
Edwin E., 21, son, gen. lab., b Poole
Annie Annetts, 28, boarder, single, domestic cook, b Vernim, Hants
Edith V Annetts, 4, dau, b Poole
Grace Annetts, 2, dau, b Poole
Arthur Annetts, 5m, son, b Poole
Births: Jun 1897 Edith Victoria Annetts Poole
Jun 1897 Queenie Emberley Annetts Poole
Dec 1898 Grace Emberley Annetts Poole
Dec 1900 Arthur Edwin Annetts Poole
Sep 1911 Edith Mary Annetts Poole (maiden name Annetts)
I have searched for an entry for Emma A Emberley in the 1891/1901 censuses with little success. If she was in a mental home she would only be listed under initials.
There is an entry in 1901:
London County Lunatic Asylum
E. E., patient, married, 49, needlework, b London, lunatic
There is no real evidence that this is her though (all the other candidates seemed to be single or widowed).
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If all that work was just a few loose ends then thank you very,very much, Phil ;D
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queeny emberley annetts died in the june qtr of 1898.
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Thanks very much AlliBaker, the friend ive asked these questions on behalf of says the info will be a great family talking point. He and another work colleague know of some Emberleys in Poole.
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This is a long shot. But there was a family of ALDERMAN who changed their name to ANNETTS, some came to Australia. If you are interested in this change please write to Bob Alderman, who has great data base and is listed on the Guild of One Names Studies website for ALDERMAN. (One branch of the ALDERMAN family was from Hants and Vernham Dean rings a bell with me) Gazania
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Hello,
We believe Annie Annetts was born Christiana Annetts around 1871. She is the daughter of Edward Annetts and Sarah Rolfe. All are from around the Great Bedwyn area in Wiltshire. In 1906, she bore a son Edwin Annetts in Poole. He is my grandfather. His birth certificate names Annie Christina Annetts as mother but no father is named. We haven't been able to match any Annie or Christina Annetts to Annie as of yet so Christiana remains the best match. My grandfather claimed not to have known who his father was and the whole business seemed to be kind of a "dirty secret." In fact, his marriage certificate lists an Edward Annetts as his father. From what he told us before he passed away, we know that the Annetts children of the 1901 census were his siblings and my father remembers visiting his uncle Arthur Emberley and cousins as a child. We feel strongly that Edwin Emberly Sr. is my grandfather's father but have no actual proof.
Anyway, my father, Norman Annetts, was born in Poole in 1935 son to Edwin and Amy (nee Wood) Annetts. He emmigrated to Canada in the late 1950's and here we are. Thanks for the Emberley information. I can give you a list of all Edwin Annetts' siblings....just don't have it handy at the moment.
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Welcome to Rootschat.
It's good to hear about the story from another point of view; the 'dirty secrets' are always more interesting!
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Hi tnetts, have sent you a p.m.
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Further to my previous posting....
Here is the list of Annie's children according to my grandfather for anyone interested. The dates are from the FreeBMD
Grace 1898
Arthur 1900
Fred 1902
Doris 1904
Edwin 1906 (my grandfather)
Gladys 1908
Edith 1911
From the information our family has gathered, it seems likely that Edith Victoria Annetts and Queenie Emberley Annetts were twins born to Annie in 1897. Queenie is listed as having died in 1898 and there is an Edith Emberley Annetts listed as passing in 1910 at age 12 which fits with Edith V Annetts' age. Since Queenie's death predates my grandfather's birth and Edith passed when he was only 3 or 4, I'm not surprised he had no memory of them. He did recall a sister Edith as marrying someone named Bill and having 2 children so I'm inclined to believe that Phil's friend's mother, Edith Mary Annetts, is my grandfather's sister. Exciting stuff!!
Now there are stray Annetts in Poole according to the FreeBMD:
Alfred 1893
Stanley 1904
Winnifred 1909
Hedley J. 1911(marriage)
I have no information on any of these people. So, if anyone could help with either my grandfather's family or these strays I'd really appreciate it.
Thanks,
Trent
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If Phil and Trent would like to contact me.
Emberley is my mums maiden name Edwin snr is her uncle.
I also have a few of the early Annetts birth and death certificates
Sue
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Hi,
Researching my wifes mothers side and came across this thread.
My wifes GrandMother was Gladys Jessie Annetts born 1908.
Any additional information would be useful, thank you.
Dave
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Hi Dave
Have sent you a private message
Sue
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date today is 10 Feb 2012 - the heading suggests that 1901 was the original posting - but, i too am researching these families. Frederick George Emberly-Annets born 30 Sep 1902 to Annie ANNETTS in Poole Dorset he married Ivy DIBBEN in 1927 and had three children from this marriage - the third child Eileen Ivy May Emberley being my Aunt by marriage. I however, seem to have picked up a lot more children than quoted in some of the replies and they are as follows:-
children purported to be the children of Edwin Emberley and Annie Annetts -
Edith Victoria Emberley-Annetts - 1897-1910
Queenie Emberley-Annetts - 1897-1898
Grace Emberley-Annetts - 1898-1941
Arthur Edwin Emberbely-Annetts - 1900-1984
Violet May Emberley-Annetts - 1901-1969
Frederick George Emberley-Annetts 1902-1973 - (married under the name EMBERLEY
Doris Daisy Emberley-Annetts - 1903-1976
Edwin Emberley-Annetts - 1906
Gladys Jessie Emberley Annetts - 1908
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Edith Mary Emberley-Annetts - 1911
The 1911 Census - All names have the name EMBERLEY in them and the surname is ANNETTS (6 children in all on this Census) The Census also states Annie Annetts was born in Reading - but, i cannot find any records - so will check out the other names suggested in prior posts.
I have Annie Annetts death certificate - and it states she died 6th July 1936 - Herrison, Charminster Road ages 65 - Spinster and states her the daughter of EDWIN JOHN Annetts - Farm Laboourer - she died of Bronchial Pneumonia and Cardiovascular degeneration.
Like everyone else this has me intrigued - and i would love to solve the mystery of Emma Annie Friend demise.
So if anyone has done more research on this family - i'd appreciate any help i can get - as i am not stumped.
Thanks
Jacqui
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Hi Jacqui,
Still researching the family.
Sorry to say though that I have not located the death of Emma.
Will also private message you.
Sue
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Herrison was a lunatic asylam which is now coverted into flats. I went to price a job there several years ago and it seemed such a sad place, Phil
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Hi Jaqui,
Nice to hear from you. I've been looking at this puzzle off and on (more off than on if truth be told) for a while now. I'm the grandson of Edwin (1906) Annetts. The only child you mention that surprizes me is Violet May. My Grandad never metioned that name. If you read my last post, I can account for Queenie and Edith#1. Anyone else help with Violet?????
Thanks
Trent
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Jaqui,
Sue is a wealth of great info. I fear I have not thanked her enough in the past or kept in touch.
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Trent
You did thank me. Jacqui and I have swopped info. I have corrected her regards Violet. ( Who Jacqui realised was nee Violet nee Meader.
Still have not found Emma's death . :'(
Edwin on 1911 as you no doubt know has status as single.
Cheers
Sue