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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: Gnatalee on Friday 03 March 06 15:18 GMT (UK)
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Hi all. First posting so here goes!
Looking for info on the Brooks family who worked on the canals as boatmen. Were living in Tetton, Middlewich in 1861 in Bridge Cottage.
Richard Brooks b. abt. 1818 Leicestershire
Martha b. abt.1819 Leicestershire
Charles Brooks b. abt.1842 Leicestershire
William Brooks b. abt. 1844 Leicestershire
Augustus Brooks b. abt.1846 Cheshire
John Brooks b. 1851 Leicestershire
Alice Brooks b. abt. 1853 Leicestershire
Joseph Brooks b. abt. 1856 Tetton, Cheshire
Ann Brooks b. abt. 1858 Tetton, Cheshire
Mary Brooks b. abt. 1861 Tetton, Cheshire
Richard Brooks b. ? Ode Rode, Cheshire
Particularly interested in Ann Brooks who had illegitimate child in 1876 in Butt Lane, Talke O'the Hill, Staffs but I can find no trace of her since. Assume she may have died as child brought up by her brother. :(
Branch of family also lived in Whaley Bridge on Cheshire/Derbyshire border.
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Hi Gnatalee,
Welcome to RootsChat & Congratulations on your first
posting.
1) who did Ann Brooks live with at Butt Lane?
2) Do you know the street?
3) who was the brother who raised Anns child?
4) Where did they live?
5) any connections with Pedleys & Congleton?
Tomkin
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Hi tomkin
I believe Ann Brooks lived with her mother and brothers/sisters at Butt Lane - her father may have died by then.
The family are listed at Congleton Road, Butt Lane on the 1881. (Ann is not with them.)
The brother who raised Ann's child was John Brooks, who married Mercy Armstrong. They lived in Whaley Bridge on the Cheshire/Derbyshire border.
I don't know of any connection with Pedleys and Congleton.
Thank you for your reply
Good luck
Gnatalee
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Hi Gnatalee,
Can you give me the head of the household and
where born + D.O.B. so I can see if I can find the details on the 1881
census on familysearch.
Tomkin.
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Hi
When in Butt Lane the head of the household is Martha (also known as Mary on some census). They weren't overly accurate in stating where they were born (a) because they were illiterate and also because, being on canals, they moved around quite a lot. I know on the 1881 census the family, other than Martha, were given as being born in Odd Rode (which they weren't). Martha sometimes stated she was born in Rugby, but I actually believe she was from Leicester - and there is a place called Tugby in Leicestershire. She certainly got married in Leicester - I have the marriage cert.
Thanks for your interest.
Gnatalee
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Hi Gnatalee,
I am sorry mate but I cannot find the family on the
family search 1881 census. It can be difficult to sometimes to use.
Is it possible to give me the details as they appear on the 1881
census and where you got the details from.
When I checked my records the only Brook(e)s family that I could find
that lived in Congleton road in 1881 is a different one.
I got these details some time ago by trawling the whole area for
Brook(e)s families in the 1881 census.
Sorry for the trouble.
Tomkin
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Hi Tomkin
Apologies for the delay but when I tried to attach the info I had it wasn't accepted so hopefully, this weekend, I will type it in manually for you.
Hope this is okay. Thanks for help.
Gnatalee
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Hi Gnatalee,
Hope it's not putting you to
too much trouble, lets hope we find something.
Tomkin
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That was quick !
Will sort it this weekend. Going to Northwich for Cheshire Family History Fair tomorrow - who knows, may find something !
Gnatalee
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Just thought you might like this as a bit of background!!
http://www.canaljunction.com/canal/boat_people.htm
Annie :)
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Thanks for that Annie, looks an interesting site
Gnatalee
:)
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Hi
My Brooks family in the 1871 census are as follows:
at Cottage House, Tetton
Martha Brooks (Head), Widow, age 53, born Leicester
Alice Bunn (Daughter) Married, age 18, born Leicester
Joseph Bunn (Son-in-law) Married, age 20, born Middlewich
Mary Brooks (Daughter) Unmarried, age 9, born Tetton
Richard B Brooks (Son) Unmarried, age 7, born Tetton
1881 census
Congleton Road, Talke
Mary Martha Brooks (Head), Widow, age 74 Housekeeper, Leicestershire
Joseph Brooks (Son) Unmarried, age 26, Boatman, born Warmingham, Chesh
Martha Ann Brooks (Granddaughter), "neice"?, age 14, born Odd Rode
Charles Brooks (Son) Widower, age 39, Boatman, Odd Rode
William Brooks (Son) ........ age 38, Boatman, Odd Rode
John Brooks (Son) ........ age 28, Boatman, Odd Rode
Richard Brooks (Son) ....... age 18, Boatman, Odd Rode
Both these census details are via Ancestry. There are discrepancies between the two census - particularly Martha Brooks' age but I do believe these are the same family. There is another discrepancy in that John Brooks is shown on the 1881, but I also know he is on the 1881 in Whaley Bridge with his wife and family!
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Hi again!
I should've pointed out, by way of demonstrating the "accuracy" (or not) of the census information - on the 1881 it shows Charles Brooks as being a widower, which is incorrect - his brother William, who is shown on the row below Charles, is the widower.
William's wife died in 1878 (I have copy of death certificate).
Charles Brooks' wife died in 1921 (found that out at the Cheshire Family History Fair yesterday !)
Gnat
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Hi Gnat,
Thanks for that info'
I'll have a good plough through my records tomorrow
to see if I can find any connections.
Tomkin
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Hi Gnatalee,
You said that Anns child was brought up by her
brother. Can you tell me the following:-
1) what was the childs name?,
2) what was the name of the brother?,
3) where did they live?.
Regards,
Tomkin
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Hi!
1. Child's name Albert Leonard Brooks born 1876 (have birth cert.)
2. John Brooks
3. Whaley Bridge on Cheshire/Derbyshire border
Gnat
:)
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Hi Gnat,
Not forgotten you mate. No luck I'm afraid but I'll
keep looking.You say you have the birth certificate,daft question
but does it say who the father was?
all the best ,
Tomkin
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Tomkin !
Is the father - John ?
Annie
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Hi Annie,
The child was brought up by Ann's brother John.Ann had
the child in 1876 at Butt lane. Unfortunately between census's therefore
I can't find who she was living with. As the child was illegitimate she may
well have been sent there until the birth.
Gnat cannot find any trace of her since the birth so she may have died.
Because they were boat people she may have stayed with relatives "on
land" until the birth.
Tomkin
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OK! I've been checking these as well - just in case !! ::) - but I still can't find him ... !! I was thinking boat people were travellers .. !
1881 Census: Gypsies, Hawkers, and Other Travellers
http://www.nwon.com/pauline/CensusPage6.html
1881 Census: More Gypsies, Hawkers, Travellers and Entertainers
http://www.nwon.com/pauline/CensusPage7.html
1881 Census:Even More Gypsies, Hawkers, Travellers and Entertainers
1891 Census:Showmen and Other Travellers
http://www.nwon.com/pauline/1891.html
1901 Census: Showmen and Other Travellers
http://www.nwon.com/pauline/1901.html
Annie :)
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Hi Annie,
We are looking for Ann,Annie,
Tom.
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Sorry Tomkin !!
I've been looking for Albert Leonard ::) ::)
maybe I should go ride my bike ..... !! ;) ;)
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Hi everyone
Thanks for your input on this subject !! :)
I now have information on Richard Brooks' parents and grandparents and their respective families
Richards parents were Charles Prince Brooks and Ann _
Richards brothers and sisters were -
Mary b. 1817, John b. 1822, James Collins Brooks, b.1824, Thomas b. 1827, Sarah Jane b. 1832.
Richard's grandparents (Charles' mum and dad !) were Thomas Brooks and Ann Prince - which solves the mystery of why certain children had the middle name of Prince. They married on 24 August 1773 in St Andrews Church, Rugby. (How's that for detail !)
Thomas and Ann had the following children:
MARY BROOKS, b. 1774, Rugby.
WILLIAM BROOKS, b. 1776, Rugby.
ANN BROOKS, b. 1778, Rugby.
THOMAS BROOKS, b. 1781, Rugby.
CHARLES PRINCE BROOKS, b. 1793, Rugby.
So there we are ! I have obtained all this information through the excellent Hugh Wallis website for IGI batch numbers
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryEngland.htm#PageTitle
Knowing they came from the Rugby area I checked the churches for Brooks (and there are quite a few) and up they all popped!
Regarding Albert Leonard - there was no father on the birth certificate and I can't find any trace of Ann after his birth - may have married, may have died.
Thanks for your help and interest on this thread.
Gnat
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Hi Gnat,
Will keep an eye out for Ann, you never know what might turn up.
Thanks for trying Annie. ( Does your bike need a paint job?)
Tomkin