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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Hampshire & IOW Lookup Requests => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => England => Hampshire & IOW Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Lainys on Saturday 25 February 06 20:41 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
I have found my Great Grandparents Amelia born 1859 & Barton E Barton born 1856 on the 1881 census with their eldest daughter Amy Amelia, but am unable to locate them on the 1891/1901 census ???
I am also trying to find out when Amelia died ??? She lived with her husband in Arreton, IOW. However, they may have moved as I believe he died in Christchurch in 1910.
Any information would really be appreciated.
Thanks
Dollycat
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1891
1 Grafton Cottages, Freshwater, Hampshire
Elizabeth Locke Head Widow 40 Seamstress and Laundress Isle of Wight Newport
Alice daur 7 Scholar " Freshwater
William J Son 6 " " "
Ruth daur 4 " " "
Eleanor daur 3 " "
Amy Barton Boarder 11 Scholar " Ventnor
Walter Salter " M 40 Miner " Gaverland
RG12/897 Isle of Wight Calbourne Folio 108 Page 19
Amended to highlite Amy Barton from the rest of the family
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For anybody following this posting who may be able to help I'm copying the response I received from Dollycat in a pm.
Thank you for your reply to my enquiry.
I am confused by your reply Huh It does not appear to show Amelia or Barton?
Hope you can clarify for me.
Thanks very much
Dollycat, no I haven't found any trace of either Amelia or Barton, but it would appear that their daughter Amy was boarding in Freshwater. Often the reason for a youngster to be away from the family may well be that the parents had died and the child was left homeless. Maybe the Lockes were friends of the family and took her in.
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In 1901 Amy is working at "The Osborne", Exeter Road, Bournemouth, which appears to be a boarding house.
Amy Barton Servant S 21 Housemaid Ventnor Isle of Wight
RG13/1040 Christchurch Bournemouth Folio 114 Page 87
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Hi Mary,
Thanks for the explanation and for replying so quickly to me.
There were other children born later in the family, so I am not completely convinced that the 'Amy' you have located is part of my family.
Dollycat
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I see Barton E stands for Barton Ernest. I can see a matching Ernest Barton in 1891:
RG12/925 77 37
South Stoneham, Hampshire
72 Mount Pleasant Rd
Frank Barton, head, 33, Market Gardener, b. Arreton IOW
Fanny, wife, 33, b. Newchurch IOW
Frank, son, 7, b. South Stoneham Hants
Lucy, dau, 5, b. do.
Fanny, dau, 3, b. do.
Sidney, son, 1, b. do.
Ernest, brother, mar, 34, Garden labourer, b. Arreton IOW
Fanny, neice, 7, b. IOW
Does he look right?
Tanja :)
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With 1861:
RG9/656 43 6
Arreton, Hampshire
Hale Common
Stephen Barton, head, 16*, Common Carrier
Sarah Ann, wife, 20 (28?)*
George, son, 16, Ag lab
Frederick, son, 14
Jane, dau, 12
Mary Ann, dau, 8
William Thomas, son, 7
Mark, son, 6
Barton Ernest, son, 4
Frank, son, 3
Charles Salter, stepson, 6
Barton James Salter, stepson, 4
Everybody born Arreton.
*I suppose they were joking
Tanja :)
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Can't seem to trace anybody else after 1891 but here's 1851
HO107/1663 464 7
Arreton, Hampshire
Hale Common
Stephen Barton, head, 31, Common carrier, b. Shorwell? IOW
Ann, wife, 30, b. Arreton
George, son, 6, b. do.
Frederick, son, 4, b. do.
Jane, dau, 2, b. do.
William Salter, nephew, 14, 16, ag lab, b. do.
Sarah, niece, 14, b. do.
Tanja :)
Wonder if this Sarah is his 2nd wife?
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There were other children born later in the family
Do you know their names, birth years and birth places?
Tanja :)
PS. Have you noticed there is a 'Salter' with Amy in 1891? I certainly wouldn't doubt she's the the right one.
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Hi Tanja,
Thanks very much for the information you have found for me (really appreciated).
In answer to your questions:
1891 - No, I hadn't noticed a 'Salter' with Amy, thanks for pointing that out to me.
1851 - Yes, Sarah was his second wife.
1861 - :P definetely were joking!
1891 - Yes he is the right one.
Details of Barton Ernest's other children:
Alice Maud 1886, Edith Ellen 1881, Fanny Louisa 1883 and Stephen Thomas 1884. I believe they were all born in Arreton, IOW.
If you could find out anything more relating to Barton Ernest and his family, it would be extremely helpful, especially in regards to Alice Maud. Alice came to mainland England around the turn of the century with her guardian Mary Hannah Watson (not sure if this will help at all).
Thanks
Dollycat
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Hi again,
Stephen Thomas seems to die soon after birth:
Death age 0
September quarter 1884
Isle of Wight
2b 389
Alice Maud:
1891
RG12/892 18 29
Ryde, IOW, Hampshire
4 Sandport Cott
James Griffin, head, 36, Postman, b. IOW Godshill
Mary, wife, 35, b. Arreton
Alice M, niece, 7, scholar, b. Ryde
1901 8)
RG13/1024 54 20
Ryde, IOW
69 Arthur Street
Ernest Barton, head, 41, Painter House, own account, b. Ryde
Caroline H, wife, 38, b. London
Alice M, dau, 17, IOW Ryde
Tanja :)
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There's a Fanny Barton age 17, general domestic servant, b. IOW Freshwater
with a family named Lambert in Bournemouth on the 1901 census.
Tanja :)
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Hi Tanja,
Unfortunately, aside from Stephen Thomas, Alice M and Fanny are not the Bartons I am looking for :( Alice M was born in Calbourne and Fanny in Godshill.
Thanks for looking.
Dollycat
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Do you mean you don't think it's her father Ernest either ??? ???
edit: Have had a thorough look and you're right. Very sorry. I can trace an Ernest born ca. 1860 Ryde :-\
PS. I can't see any other candidate born Calbourne.
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Hi Tanja,
I don't think Ernest is her father as he was called Barton Ernest and as far as I am aware was never married to a 'Caroline'. I do know of another Ernest Barton in my family but do not know who he married etc. so maybe it is him.
No, I was not aware that birth places changed from census to census, thank you for letting me know that. However, I did know about ages changing.
I looked Alice M up on the IOW BMD records and found my relation born in Calbourne and the Alice you found born in Ryde.
It looks like this is it for this search ??? thanks very very much for all your help. :)
Dollycat
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Oops - had already edited my previous post - SORRY!! Above Ernest is definitely not the right one.
I can't seem to find them in 1901, as a matter of fact. As far as names/birthplaces are concerned, I think we had found the right ones in 1891 and Barton was down under Ernest, that's why I broadened the search.
Sorry, can't help further.
Tanja :)
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Sarah Salter b.1837 -Stephen Barton's niece in the Census - became his 2nd wife and they married in 1860 (Newport Registry) - Sarah Ann's own mother was the sister of Steven Barton's 1st wife Ann Lowe - Sarah Ann herself was well known to the Barton family, at Pleasant View Cottage Arreton, having grown up with Stephen and Ann Lowe after her own mother died. Sarah Ann herself was married in 1855 age 22 and brought her two stepchildren into Stephen's household (her husband was in the Royal Navy and went 'missing')- . The Salters and Bartons were Bible Christians and Stephen was Steward of the Hale Common Methodist Chapel. When Stephen Barton's 1st wife Ann Lowe died he was left with 8 children, 5 under 10 years - so Sarah Ann Salter whom they all knew became the 'mother' to the family and his 2nd wife. Cheers David Barton