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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: jeanhemm on Saturday 25 February 06 20:05 GMT (UK)
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Hi Guys
I'm trying to find out about the Nelson family who stayed in Gortnamoyagh around the beginning of the 19th century. The family started with David Nelson who was a farmer and as far as I know he was married and had two sons and a daughter. Any info ?
Thanks
Jean
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Hello Jean,
What denomination were the Nelson family? Were they members of the Catholic faith, the Established Church (Anglicans or Church of Ireland) or possibly Presbyterians?
You'll have to rely on Church records as civil registration in Ireland was not introduced until 1864. Non Catholic marriages were registered from 1845 onwards. When registration for BDMS started in 1864 some people didn't bother with the registration for a few years after that date. Keep your fingers crossed that church records still exist.
Christopher
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Jean- maybe you could post whatever names and dates you have in case someone can help.
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The Eighteenth Century Sources. (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~irishancestors/Add18.html) may assist you to find your Nelson ancestors of Gortnamoyagh. Some of them are on John Hayes failteromhat.com website
Books of Survey and Distributions c. 1700
Catholic Qualification Rolls 1778 - 1793
Convert Rolls 1704-1839
Electors Rolls 1761
Estate Records and Marriage Licence Bonds
Flax Growers List 1796
Freeholders entitled to vote 1770
Grand Jurors and Books of Presentiments
Militia Lists 1761
Oath of Allegiance 1775
Poll Books 1752
Proprietors of land circa 1700 list
Protestant Householders 1740 list.
Register of Freeholders 1758
Return of Householders 1766
State prisoners 1798
Voters Lists 1727-1793
The 1796 Flax Growers List shows one Nelson in Derry ... Hugh, Ballywillin. Other Nelson families on the list were in Donegal, Down, Fermanagh, Mayo, Monaghan and Tyrone.
I've created links to the following threads ...
Rootsweb "Johnston & Nelson of Gortnamoyagh" ... http://tiny.cc/9Kt3k
Jane Agnes Dobbins on Rootschat http://tiny.cc/OLbth
Neilson/Nelson & Johnston's from Garvagh-Aghadowey http://tiny.cc/uqUS0
Christopher
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Thanks - not sure where Hugh fits in though - I found the Nelsons in the First Garvagh Church Records - maybe Hugh would have been a brother to David Nelson.
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Jean- the Hugh Nelson Christopher found is not in Gortnamoyagh so probably no connection to David Nelson.
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Hi Jean
A David Nelson, farmer, of Gortnamoyagh had a son George who married Fanny Ann Dunlop at Moneydig Presbyterian Church on 27 Jul 1876. They left Clyde on the "Oamaru" on 23 Sep 1876 and arrived in Otago, New Zealand on 16 Dec 1876. If he is part of the family you are researching I would like to swap my New Zealand information for your Irish information.
B J Peak
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Hi B J Peak,
George Nelson and Fanny Ann Dunlop are my great-grandparents. I'm descended from their daughter Annie; my paternal grandmother. I was just saying to my father [their grandson] last week that we don't know much about George & Fanny Ann's descendants. We know that Margaret was married twice & died 7/8/1939; that David died at Passchendaele on that infamous day of 12/10/17; that Fanny Ann married Archie Gilmore, who had two children who never married; that I haven't researched the families of Samuel [born 1879], George [1885], & John [1892].
Our Coleraine families are Nelson, Dunlop, Blair & Johnston.
So, who are you descned from?
Regards,
Hugh Sutherland
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B J Peak - jeanhemm hasn't been active on Rootschat since January 2012, albeit, provided they haven't changed email address, should receive notification that a reply has been added to this post.
H Sutherland - difficult to read the white in your post. You can modify your post in first 24hrs.
Another old thread which may be of interest to you both:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=198715.0
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Scotmum
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Hi Hugh,
You must be Raymond Sutherland's son. I'm researching my husband Wayne Sutherland's genealogy. His father was James Nelson Sutherland, Raymond's older brother, therefore you two are cousins although I believe you have never met. Margaret had a daughter by her first husband. I have found no marriages for Samuel, George or John, Samuel died 1942, George died 25 Dec 1969, John died 1967. I hope to find a way of sending you our email address without advertising it to the world so that I can give you information about living people.
Regards BJ Peak
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Thank you Scotmum, I thought I might be lucky to still make contact with jeanhemm. I shall follow the other post you recommended shortly.
Thanks also to Bannerman for the hint about reading Hugh's white writing.
B J Peak
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Scotmum
Drag the mouse cursor through the white text and it turns blue.
I know, but thanks anyhow. :)
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I hope to find a way of sending you our email address without advertising it to the world so that I can give you information about living people.
Regards BJ Peak
If H Sutherland comes back and makes a couple of more posts, you can then both use the Private Message (PM) system, accessed from the little 'letter' symbol to left of every post (under your name and details).
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Thank you Scotmum, as a novice to RootsChat I am grateful for all such hints. B J Peak
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Hi BJ, Google me and add nz suffix.
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Hi Jean
A David Nelson, farmer, of Gortnamoyagh had a son George who married Fanny Ann Dunlop at Moneydig Presbyterian Church on 27 Jul 1876. They left Clyde on the "Oamaru" on 23 Sep 1876 and arrived in Otago, New Zealand on 16 Dec 1876. If he is part of the family you are researching I would like to swap my New Zealand information for your Irish information.
B J Peak
Hi BJ
Not sure where George fits in but it would be interesting to find out. I've ony working on the Bann Valley records will go and have another look.
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Marriage: 27 July 1876 Moneydig Presbyterian Church, George Nelson, farmer, Gortnamoyagh, son of David Nelson, farmer, to Fanny Anne Dunlop, Claragh, daughter of Samuel Dunlop, farmer. Witnesses: Margaret Blair, Andrew Wilson.
A George Nelson was witness to marriage of Alex Chambers & Mary Anne Nelson of Gortnamoyagh, daughter of David Nelson, 2 Mar.1876 at First Garvagh Presbyterian Church- other witness Nancy Chambers.
Unfortunately there's a large gap in 1st Garvagh baptisms during the period George Nelson was born.
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Marriage: 27 July 1876 Moneydig Presbyterian Church, George Nelson, farmer, Gortnamoyagh, son of David Nelson, farmer, to Fanny Anne Dunlop, Claragh, daughter of Samuel Dunlop, farmer. Witnesses: Margaret Blair, Andrew Wilson.
A George Nelson was witness to marriage of Alex Chambers & Mary Anne Nelson of Gortnamoyagh, daughter of David Nelson, 2 Mar.1876 at First Garvagh Presbyterian Church- other witness Nancy Chambers.
Unfortunately there's a large gap in 1st Garvagh baptisms during the period George Nelson was born.
I believe Mary Ann Nelson is the grandaughter of David Nelson who married Jane Agnes Dobbin and she married Alec Chambers 2 Mar 1876.
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Hi B J Peak,
George Nelson and Fanny Ann Dunlop are my great-grandparents. I'm descended from their daughter Annie; my paternal grandmother. I was just saying to my father [their grandson] last week that we don't know much about George & Fanny Ann's descendants. We know that Margaret was married twice & died 7/8/1939; that David died at Passchendaele on that infamous day of 12/10/17; that Fanny Ann married Archie Gilmore, who had two children who never married; that I haven't researched the families of Samuel [born 1879], George [1885], & John [1892].
Our Coleraine families are Nelson, Dunlop, Blair & Johnston.
So, who are you descned from?
Regards,
Hugh Sutherland
Hi I am descended from Joseph Nelson; David's brother.
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Nelsons of Gortnamoyagh discussed on an earlier thread where George Nelson's marriage already mentioned. Duplicate topics cause confusion and extra work.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=198715.9
From that thread this comment is incorrect-
Unfortunately First Garvagh Presbyterian Church during a period between 1850 - 1860 was vacant and therefore no baptims or marriages were recorded there.
James Brown ordained 1795, retired 1839, died 1850
James Millar ordained 18 Feb.1840, died 19 Nov.1859
Thomas Davidson ordained 25 Sept.1860, died 2 Aug.1865
Thomas Madill ordained 21 Feb.1866, died 1917
So, not much time vacant
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Hi B J Peak,
George Nelson and Fanny Ann Dunlop are my great-grandparents. I'm descended from their daughter Annie; my paternal grandmother. I was just saying to my father [their grandson] last week that we don't know much about George & Fanny Ann's descendants. We know that Margaret was married twice & died 7/8/1939; that David died at Passchendaele on that infamous day of 12/10/17; that Fanny Ann married Archie Gilmore, who had two children who never married; that I haven't researched the families of Samuel [born 1879], George [1885], & John [1892].
Our Coleraine families are Nelson, Dunlop, Blair & Johnston.
So, who are you descned from?
Regards,
Hugh Sutherland
George Nelson was my GG Grandfathers nephew who married Fanny Ann Dunlop. They had the following children: Annie, Samuel, George, David, Fanny Ann & John. I know David died on the 12 Oct 1917 Buried Tyne Cot Cemetery & Memorial, Passchendaele, Belgium. Fanny Ann married Archie Gilmore.
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