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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kirkcudbrightshire => Topic started by: brolga on Friday 24 February 06 03:18 GMT (UK)
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I am seeking details of James Robison & Agnes (née Barclay) who were married in 1854 in Kirkpatrick Durham.
Does anyone know when or where James was born?
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Hi Brolga
Robison is an unusual name. If you look on the 1851 Census Dumfries site there is an unmarried 20 year old James Robison living at Plan Crossmichael. If I recall correctly Crossmichael is next to Kirkpatrick Durham. I can only find one Agnes Barclay for the same time. Unfortunately she is a 34 year old spinster who was born in Wigtown.
Hope this infromation is of use.
Yours JA
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this might be him
ROBISON, James
born 9 Jun 1828
Chris 17 Jun 1828 Balmaghie Kirkcudbright Scotland
Fath James ROBISON
Moth Barbara HOUSTON
audrey
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Perhaps, but I don't think so Audrey.
The James I seek is shown in shipping records as born about 1823.
James & Agnes migrated to Australia in 1863.
And, no, JA.
The Agnes I seek was born 1827 in Kirkpatrick Durham.
The James from Crossmichael would seem to be too young.
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Hi Brolga
I think I've pieced together some of the info from a variety of sources. Firstly, Agnes Barclay:
From IGI, I think this might be her family:
Her father was John Barkley who was born on 11 June 1782 in Kirkpatrick Durham, parents not shown although it appears to be extract from OPR. He married Janet McGeorge on 1 Sept 1810 in Kirkpatrick Durham.
The children showing for them on IGI include:
KATHERINE BARKLEY - 05 AUG 1811
HELEN BARKLEY - 22 JAN 1815
MARGARET PATTERSON BARKLEY - 8 AUG 1819
AGNESS SEATON BARKLEY - 15 FEB 1828
MARY BARKLEY - 18 MAY 1822
They all show as born in Kirkpatrick Durham, Kirkcudbright.
From the 1851 Dumgal census, this is Agnes I believe living at home:
BERKLEY Janet, age 62, widow, Innkeeper, born Parton, Kbt
BERKLEY Thomas, age 25, son, carrier/carter general
BERKLEY Agnes, age 22, daughter, Assistant to mother (domestic duties)
BERKLEY William, age 19, son, carrier/carter general
Also at the household is:
ROBISON Hugh, age 14, grandson, scholar/errand boy
Everyone with the exception of Janet is showing as born in Kirkpatrick Durham. Address is Cross Street(874) Household no: 6/101
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Now in respect of James Robison, I think he might be older than you think. I can't see anything relevant at this stage for his birth on IGI. There is however an entry in the 1851 census that could be him. A visitor at the household of a
David Middleton in Hartburn Cottage(871) is shown as a James Robison, an agricultural labourer, aged 33 born Kirkpatrick Durham. This is the only James Robison with that birthplace showing.
If this is the correct James, his birth year would be closer to 1817/8.
Couldn't resist it, had a look on Scotlands People for their 1861 census return just prior to them leaving the country.
James is showing as aged 40, grocer, birth year now around 1820/1. Agnes is staying true to her age and is showing as age 33 and three children on the census:
John, age 5
Isabella, age 3 (IGI: 6 Jan 1857)
Thomas, age 1 (IGI: 4 June 1859)
One more child is showing on IGI born just after the 1861 census, Hugh, born 25 July 1861.
Now, speculation on my part! If they followed Scottish naming patterns, John would be after Agnes's father, Isabella and Thomas should be James's parents' names. Janet may have followed after they migrated to Australia (unless they had a child that died earlier on).
There is a Thomas and Isabella Robison showing in 1851 Census:
ROBISON Thomas, age 83, Annuitant (retired farmer), born Irongray Kbt
ROBISON Isabella, age 74, wife, born Kirkpatrick Dur
Address: Cross Street(874)
Household No: 6/117
The address for Thomas and Isabella would appear to be the same street as
Agnes and her family in 1851.
Hope this helps!
Regards.
Monica
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Hi Brolga
If we have the right family for Agnes Barclay, mother Janet McGeorge, you might be interested in reading this post http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3666.msg689357#msg689357
regarding McGeorge research.
Regards.
Monica
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Hi Brolga,
I'll put my tuppenceworth in too as Janet/Jane McGeorge married to John Barkley was sister to my ggg grandfather James McGeorge b Parton . Their parent's were Walter McGeorge & Helen McLellan So if you go to the Kay reply on the 'McGeorge' chat and contact her she is a member for the Guild of One Name studies- doing McGeorge name.She's got tons of info
Also when I joined Genes Reunited and put my tree info on(am I aloud to mention that on this site?? :-X)I was contacted by Alan in Australia who's doing same tree(McGeorge/Barkley). His line is through Katherine Barkley (sister to Agnes Barkley who married James Robison)He has lots of info on Barkley family (And Kay has too)but, unfortunately nothing to add on James Robison. (Good work by Monica can I just say.)
John Barkley's parent's were Hans Barkley and Kathern McRobert.
John & Janet had 9 children.
James Robison had another 3 children :Janet b 1863;Walter b 1867 and Mary b 1869
Too much info to write it all down here. I've told Alan to take a look at this chat and he'll get in touch with you too I hope.
Keep up the good work people.
Linda
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Yes, that is the correct Agnes Barclay/Barkley, grand-daughter of McGeorges.
Not only Agnes and, apparently Katherine, but, I believe, a brother Walter also emmigrated to Australia.
Monica, you have a plausible suggestion about James Robison.
I didn't know the Scottish naming conventions.
Thank you everyone.
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Re Scottish naming traditions for children, not always followed to the letter, but a good guide:
For sons:
1st son after paternal grandfather
2nd son after maternal grandfather
3rd son after Father
4th son after the father's eldest brother.
For daughters:
1st daughter after maternal grandmother
2nd daughter after paternal grandmother
3rd daughter after mother
4th daughter after the mother's eldest sister.
Also, if you're lucky (!), the use of family surnames as middle names for children can also help you determine family lines.
Regards.
Monica
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Gday Brolga,
Just catching up with James and Agnes story, brought to my attention by Lindamax.I am related through the Barkley,s.I live quite near where Agnes was tragically burnt to death on the 7th of January 1880 at a place known as Crossenvale in Echuca,Victoria,Australia.Crossenvale is named after Dr Crossen who attended Agnes during her shocking ordeal.
Regards Alpal
Yes, that is the correct Agnes Barclay/Barkley, grand-daughter of McGeorges.
Not only Agnes and, apparently Katherine, but, I believe, a brother Walter also emmigrated to Australia.
Monica, you have a plausible suggestion about James Robison.
I didn't know the Scottish naming conventions.
Thank you everyone.
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Hi again Brolga,
Firstly I've been looking over the info from Alan on his Barkley/McGeorge tree and I noticed that Agnes's older sister Helen (b 1815) married a John Robison and they had a son, Hugh -born abt 1836. It seems he is living with Janet and John Barkley in the 1841 census for Kirkpatrick Durham(his name is transcribed as Robson Age 3) (and he's with them in the 1851 census as Monica mentioned age 14)
I also looked up my Memorial Inscriptions (pre 1855) book that I have for K.D and found this:
Thos ROBISON died Kirkpatrick village 3.9. 1851 79yrs, son Hugh died Twynholm village 19.10.1835 29, daughter Eliz d B??(printing a bit faint here) 2.12. 1835 26, Wife Isabella HAIR died Kirkpatrick village 5.10.1854 79yrs
(The notes just give the bare facts on the stone not what's actually written) This seems to be the Thos & Isabella Monica found on 1851 census. And it all ties in with the Scottish naming system!!If they are James's parents.
There are HAIR names on both stones on each side of this stone. One male b. abt 1746/7
If you want the details of those just say.
In the Cumulative surname index for Kirkcudbrightshire M.I's pre-1855 there are Robisons in all areas.
Bye the noo
Lin
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I'm back on the trail of James Robison! A bit more detail thanks to the additional info from Linda. Again, from IGI and Scotlands People OPRs:
ISABEL HAIR Marriages: THOMAS ROBSON 13 JUN 1805 Terregles, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Apart from James, we now have four older children to Thomas and Isabella:
1. HUGH ROBSON born 20 June 1806 in Terregles, probably first born
2. ELISABETH ROBSON Christening: 08 FEB 1808 Parton, Kirkcudbright, Scotland. Parents: Father: THOMAS ROBSON
3. JOHN ROBSON born 28 Dec 1809 Parton, Kirkcudbright, Father Thomas Robson
4. MARY MELVILLE ROBSON Christening: 09 APR 1812 Parton, Kirkcudbright,
Parents: Father: THOMAS ROBSON
Now, Hugh we know from Linda died in 1835. Elizabeth also seems to have died young nealy two months later that year.
John, we know married Helen Barkley and had at least one son Hugh b. circa 1835/6 who went to live with his maternal grandparents. I wonder if Helen also died at this time? I have found I think a second marriage for John in 1839. I've also found the family in 1851 census with the oldest son called Thomas and John Robison's birth place is shown as Parton.
JOHN ROBSON Parents: Father: THOMAS ROBSON
Marriages: Spouse: AGNES CARSON 15 FEB 1839 Kirkpatrick Durham, Kirkcudbright, Scotland (source IGI)
1851 Census:
ROBISON Agnes, Age 35, wife, b. Kirkpatrick Dur
ROBISON Elizabeth, age 3, daughter, b. Kirkpatrick Dur
ROBISON Grace, age 6, daughter, b. Kirkpatrick Dur
ROBISON Jean, age I month, b. Kirkpatrick Dur
ROBISON John, age 41, Farm Servant, b. Parton Kbt
ROBISON Robert, age 9, b. Kirkpatrick Dur
ROBISON Thomas, age 11, b. Kirkpatrick Dur
Regards.
Monica
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I am not sure if you are interested but I have been tracing the Barclay (Berkley,Barkley,Barkly etc) name and visited Kirkpatrick Durham in Oct 2005.
On the head stone of my ancestors grave (plot no.176)I noted one of the insciptions as "Also Hellen Barkley who died 8th December 1847 aged 32 years.
I have the complete inscription if would like it along with some research reports.
In the Search of the Old Parish Registers of Kirkpatrick Durham there is an inscription by the request of John Barkly which states Hugh (Robson) son of John Robson and Hellen Barkly born at Kirkpatick Village 17th July 1836.
I am quite happy to pass on any of this inforamtion.
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Gday Brolga,
Not sure if you have this information but I will submit it and you can make what you will of it.
Agnes Seaton Barkley was born 15 February 1828,Scotland and died 7 Janauary 1880 Echuca Australia.She married James Robison 5 March 1854 Scotland.I believe James died 1898,Sheppperton,Victoria,Australia.Children born in Mt Egerton,Victoria Australia were
Janet,1863,Walter,1867,Mary,1869.
Agnes died from the effects of burns as a result of sparks from her husbands pipe which ignited her dress and hay that the family were carrying on their cart.Kerosene was also on the cart.This occured on an extremely hot day during a severe drought.The children and James escaped unscathed.The coroner ruled death by accident.This is a brief summary of the Coroners report.
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Well hello there Jwb46,
I would like to take up your offer of more info etc. I have the gravestone details for John Barkley (No 176 as you mentioned) and I'm sure some of the others would too. Which family branch are you?
I'm McGeorge line.
Lin
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Hi Lindamax.
I am from the Barclay/Berkley branch of the family.
My side of the family comes from. 1. Hans
2. John & Janet McGeorge
3. Walter
4. John McGeorge. (born 1840 in Much Wenlock, Shropshire,England.
5. Walter Henry my g/gf born 1868 Mt Egerton Vic.
6.Walter John Henry my gf born 1893 Mt Egerton.
7.John McGeorge my father born at Semaphore Adelaide South Australia 1924.
The first names of Walter & John seemed very popular and it can also be seen that the McGeorge name was used as a second name for both my father and my g/g/ grandfather born in shropshire.
I have attached (I hope) 2 of the pictures I took whilst in Kirkpatrick Durham Oct last year, of the Barclay Headstone in the Churchyard at K.D.
I am not sure any other information is of use to you as it only refers to the Barclay side of the family.
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Monica, I think you have resolved my initial question, for, 'according to the family', Isabella, daughter of James & Agnes, had Hare [flexible spelling, of course] as her middle name.
Lin, yes, please pass on the details of the Hair stones.
jwb46, who is "1. Hans" in the little table you have included above?
Also, my sister has a transcription from the 1841 census (done long ago) of K-D showing John (55) & Janet Barkley (50) living with their children Mary (15), Thomas (13), Agnes (11) & William (9) and grandson Hugh Robson (4).
Do any of you have the 1841 entry for Thomas & Isabella?
This is getting quite interesting, really.
Now, for those curious about 'my part' of the next generation:
James & Agnes arrived in Melbourne (Aust) in 1863 with their then 3 children - John, Isabella & Thomas. Isabella married Harman Rennick in Echuca (Vic, Aust) in 1880. They had 10 children incl a g-g-mother of mine.
Isabella died in 1927, reputedly having retained her strong 'accent' [Kirkcudbrightshire?]. Her younger brother Tom died unmarried in 1921. They were both buried in Jandowae (Qld, Aust).
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Hello everyone.
First of all-I can't see my thankyou reply that I sent to you jwb46 Sorry don't know where that one ended up!!!
1841 Census details for Thos & Isabella ROBSON (Back to robson) Kirk. Durham
Isabella 69 Old Walton
James 20 "
Mary 9 "
Thomas 72 Independant "
MI's K.D: I am going to type them exactly as they are printed.They have numbered the stones with a plan of where they are in graveyard. These three are next to each other in a wee groupThere are straight rows. 96 & 95 are in the row but No. 97 is beside 96 standing on its own out of the row.
(95) imo Eliz MURE 16.11.1797 47, h Ivie HAIR in Dead side of Lochrutton
d 13.6.1801 54.
(west side) Here lies Henerita (sic) MUIRE d Dead side of Lochrutton 14.9.1799 47, fa Wm MUIRE,and mo Janet KISSOCK d there 5.1.1803 88, bro David MUIRE d Clunie of Terregles 13.7.1810 50
96 The one I gave before Thos & Isabella HAIR
97 (flat ledger stone) Jas HAIR late fr in Congeath Kirgunzeon died 11.11.1819 36, A faithful member of session of the Associate Congregation of Urr, An endearing husband and faithful friend, Christian of mild and gentle manners, highly respected...by w Janet HAIR. The said Janet MARTIN or HAIR d in the face of the Gospel...in Dumfries 29.8.1860 80
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There is also this next to John Barkley & Janet McGeorge's stone (above) from jbw46.
by Hans BARKLEY imo chn:David d a child 1786, Wm 1792 13, Alex 30.8.1799 16, w Kethern McRobert 30.8.1806 56
Have fun
Lin
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Forgot to say-Abreviations - h=husband w=wife , imo =in memory of - etc. You can prob work them out. The one I had to look up was on No 97: fr=farmer
bye
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Hi all,
My mum and I are currently doing research on the Robison Family and stumbled across this post.
I am the 3rd great Grand daughter of James and Agnes (nee Barclay) and am currently on the planning committe for a family reunion to mark 150 years since since James and Agnes and and the four young children John, Isabella, Thomas and Hugh immigrated on the "Donald McKay" arriving in Australia in 1863.
I located in Shepparton Victoria where a lot of James and Agnes family located to.
I would love to get in contact and explore further with anyone that would love to be involved with the gathering of family tree, letters and stories for this reunion.
Thanks Melissa