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Independent Islands => Isle of Man => Topic started by: paddyeire on Sunday 19 February 06 19:42 GMT (UK)
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Does anyone have any knowledge of the Kinnish Family from Santon? Thomas Kinnish was born in 1877 approx, his brother Robert Henry was born in 1889 or 1890.
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Strange that Thomas's birth and Robert and Margaret's marriage is not on the IGI. And unfortunate as Robert and Margaret's marriage would give their father's names which would make it possible to find them in the birth records and the earlier censuses.
Robert Henry's birth is listed at www.lawsons.ca:
KINNISH, Robert Henry 4 Nov 1889 S San 361 KINNISH, Robert MOORE, Margaret
I think you will also find record of Robert Henry in the marriage and burial indexes on the same site.
Robert, Margaret and Thomas are in the 1881 IOM census (see www.familysearch.org). You don't indicate how much or how little you already know about this family, or whether you have access to the censuses but given you have their approximate dates of birth I am guessing you have also already seen the 1891 census. Let me know if you haven't and I will transcribe it for you.
So from the censuses we have Robert born approx 1852-53 in Braddan, Margaret born approx 1855-56 in Malew (both Braddan and Malew are neighbouring parishes to Santan, see http://www.isle-of-man.com/interests/genealogy/). Closest match on the IGI for Robert is ROBERT KENNISH, Christening: 24 NOV 1850 Santon, Isle Of Man, Father: CHRISTOPHER KENNISH, Mother: ALICE COWIN. No specific entry for Margaret stands out amongst the possibles.
There is a marriage between Robert Kinnish and Margaret Woodworth in Santan 28 MAR 1876. But no resulting children listed. Also only matching birth for Margaret Woodworth is in 1858 in Rushen. Very confusing.
Hope I haven't just made things worse.
Ruth
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Hi
Thanks for the information. Unfortunately I know very little about the family. Robert Henry Kinnish who was born in 1889 married a lady called Jessie Louise Kneale in 1923 but she was his second wife. I have been trying to find out what happened to his first wife but no-one seems to know her name. The family don't seem to know if she died and that is why Robert remarried or one rumour is that she did a runner. Any help would be much appreciated.
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I have been researching my IOM ancestors for some time and we have a Christiana Kinnish who was my grt grt grandmother. She married Richard Tyson Burrows and lived on the Creggans farm Malew which is now the site of the airport terminal building. I have the Kinnish burial records for Stanton church if these would help your search although our Christiana is buried with her husband in Malew churchyard.
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I have just found this website. My grandfather was Thomas Christopher. robert Henry was his younger brother.
I am in the process of trying to put together the family history and have lots of gaps.
Robert married Eleanor Lawson first - she was also known as Maria Bannon and she was adopted by the Lawsons. she was born in 1891 and died Feb 2nd 1922 at Arbory.
They had 3 children, Margaret Elizabeth (Madge), Ella (still living at St Johns and Robert.
Robert then married Jessie Louise Kneale (Louisa) from Ballagarrett, Bride, They had one child Elaine.
From the second message rcorris. robert Kinnish was the father of Thomas and Robert. he married Margaret Woodworth (neeMoore). she had been married to Thomas Woodworth and lived in England.
I also have a Christiana Kinnish in the family tree and would love to find out more about her.
I would love to know your connection to Robert. I remember meeting him and Louisa when I was a child.
Jan
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thanks for your message; Christianna Kinnish was my great-great grandmother. her dates are 31-5-1846 to 18-4 1923. She was widowed young Richard tyson Burrows died in 1888 so she took over the tenancy of creggans farm and ran it with her son until the compulsory purchase order to build the airport. They all went to Kirk Michael but were all returned to Malew church for burial. If it is the same lady I will happily send you my research and family tree if you give me your email address. good luck with your searching
regards Maureen
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Hi Maureen
there is a Christiana Kinnish m Richard Burrows on my family tree. I have Christiana as being born in 1847. She had an older sister Isabella (1843-1874) and a younger brother John b. 1849. Her parents were John Kinnish and Ann Bridson. They lived at Ballajerai, Malew.
John Kinnish was a brother to Christopher Kinnish, b 1820, children of Daniel and Isabella.
Christopher Kinnish was my gg grandfather. How do I contact you without sharing my personal information on the web?
Jan
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you can contact me on maureeenoddy@yahoo.co.uk
i also have a photo of Christianna as an old lady which was amongst to belongings of her grand daughter
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Just started researching my ancestors and I am researching the Kinnish Family from Santon, can someone please tell me where Alan Kinnish and Stephen Kinnish fit in. I remember visiting the family many years ago and meeting both Alan and Stephen. I believe Stephen used to be called Billy by the family.
Susie
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Hello
In reply to the last posting, I remember both Alan and Steve Kinnish. My aunt and uncle were the Kinnish's neighbours. I used to visit the IOM every school holiday. I always believed that Stephen was the youngest child of Robert Henry Kinnish and Jessie Kinnish. My parents though informed me that this was not the case and that Stephen was the son of Madge Kinnish and John Keig. Unsure about Alan, was he not Robert and Jessie's son. Would be interested to find out if you are in touch with Steve Kinnish as I believe he moved from the Island to England.
Elsie
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Sorry I haven't been in contact with Stephen Kinnish for years, the last time I visited Man was in the 1950's. I believe he lived in England. I do remember Robert Henry Kinnish and Jessie. I believe they both died in the 1970's. Do you have an knowledge of Robert henry's father, also called Robert. Unsure if he was a railway fitter or a farmer.
Cheers
Susie
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Hello
This seems to be quite a hot topic, are all these people related? As a family we were told that Robert Kinnish (Senior) was a farmer. He did suffer a nervous breakdown at one point and was in hospital for a long period. I am interested in teh comments about John Keig being Steve Kinnish's father, does the lady have any further information on this. I knew John very well
frank
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Unfortunately I do not have any further information on this Frank. My mother told me the story many years ago. My mum died in the 1960's, she was living in the Isle of Man at the time of her death. I had always believed that Stephen was the youngest son of Robert Henry and it came as a surprise to find out he was Madge Kinnish's son. I never met John Keig, what is your connection with him?
I found it interesting what you said about Robert Henry kinnish's father as I always thought there was a farming connection. Do you remember Alan Kinnish?
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Hi
I foud the last couple of replies to be interesting, however, there are still many unanswered questions. Do we know who John Keig is/was? Can Frank give us further details on this please? Another question that I would like to ask is this;
I was always under the impression that Robert Henry wanted his family home to remain in the family, wasn't it supposed to be left to one of his grandchildren?
One further question that I am keen to find out is about is Robert Kinnish senior. I can vaguely remember a family story about him taking ill and having a nervous breakdown. Was it true that his wife left him when he took ill?
Susie
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Hello
John Keig was originally from Ireland and spent many years in the Isle of Man. May I ask how Sue and Elsie are related to the Kinnish Family.
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Hi Frank
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Hello
I think we need to swap information Frank, I also think I know who you are, email me
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Thanks to everyone who has replied to my original question regarding the Kinnish family from Santon.
The family have always been a bit of a mystery to me. In particular I am interested in now finding out as much as possible about Robert Henry Kinnish's first wife. If I have my facts correct I think one of the postings states that she was called Maria Bannan. Does anyone have any knowledge of her family please?
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This is the information that I have on Robert Henry Kinnish ("Robbie") b.1851. I would appreciate any additional information about the Kinnish family from Santon. They were farmers - (Mulllinaragher, The Rheast, Ballajerie, Ballavayle)
1851: Robert Henry (b1851) lived with parents
and sister Esther in Onchan. His mother
Alice died in 1858; Father Christopher
remarried in 1861 - Catherine (mary?)
Clague (German). No record of marriage.
1861 Robbie lived at Barrack St with
father and Step mother + step-grand
mother, Jane Clague.
1871. AT 19 he was a farm servant at
Ballacregga Santon, home of John
Cowin, brother to mother Alice.
Ann Kinnish, sister of Robbie also worked
on the farm.
1881.Robbie and Margaret (woodward) lived at Ballahow
Cottage with Thomas Christopher (4)
1882 Robbie was a farm laborer at Ballahow
1889 Tenant farmer at Ballakelly
1891Robt (38); Mgt(35), Thos C. (14);
Robt H(1); also, Ann Cowin, cousin (17),
1901 lived at Ballavayle,Santon
This Robert Henry (age 1) was my great uncle; he married Maria Bannon and then Louisa Kneale.
I would also like to have any information about Alan Kinnish and Steven Kinnish. Alan appears in my notes with as Australia?
Jan
I believe Robbie also worked as a railway plate layer - but do not have any more detail than this.
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the 1851 census onchan entry is strange - definitely reads robert scholar age 6 born german + esther dau age 15 born german housemaid - this is I think an impossibilty even with rounded ages Alice would be a young teenager
The bapt of robert at Santon 18501124 with possibly an earlier child ann-jane at St marks 18480604
Christopher is easily traced backwards as is Alice