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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Northamptonshire => England => Northamptonshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: drewsankie on Saturday 18 February 06 20:22 GMT (UK)
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Seeking Francis Hollis Woods born abt 1833 St Seps Northampton, In the 1851 census.
In 1861 he is Godmanchester, Hunts Unmarried and aged 28 and in General Practice.
Regards Ian Markie
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Ian
Found him on 1851 in New Shoreham, Sussex
HO107/1647 folio 279 page 71
Francis Holis Woods age 13 born Northampton
It says in relationship he's a Teacher, but all the same aged people are ditto'd from someone at the top, aged 27. In occupation it states these are all Students & then Undergraduates at Lincoln ?? College
The address I think says Quandrangle, the previous entry said Church Street.
The hand writing is abysmal.
regards John
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Thank you
He is a long way from Home !
I was hoping he would be with mum and dad. but you never know what you get, when you look into the census. :P
so now i need to go back to the 1841 census
I have a feeling that he connects to Francis Benjamin Woods and Maria Woods Nee Hollis ! who married in Wilby in 1836,
Regards Ian Markie
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Ian
From 1851 here's the parents living in Northampton All Saints
HO107/1740 folio 69 page 6
Francis B Woods age 41 born London
his occupation is Licenciate ? Apothecary's Company
followed by General Practitioner
+ wife Maria Woods age 37 born Boughton, Northants
Ann Woods age 11
George Edmund Woods age 3
Catherine Woods age 7 months
All children born Northampton
regards John
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Thank you John
I think the name in one way proved the link and then you have come up with his father in the same business, proves that it must be the same family.
And i looked at Ancestry and found them living in Shoreham as you said, and they continued there up to the 1881 census.
Thank you again that was terrific.
Regards Ian Markie
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Francis Hollis WOODS was the eldest child of Francis Benjamin WOODS and Maria WOODS (nee HOLLIS). Francis Hollis WOODS, his wife Anne Catherine WOODS (nee TAYLOR) and his brother George Edmund WOODS (my great grand father) emmigrated to NEW ZEALAND, arriving on the "Pegasus" 19th September 1866 at Auckland, NZ. Francis Hollis WOODS, and family later emigrated, and settled at Uralla, New South Wales, AUSTRALIA. The two brothers had attended St Nicholas College, Lancing, as young boys, which would explain your earlier post, about Francis Hollis WOODS. Francis Hollis WOODS was a Doctor/Surgeon, the same as his father. George Edmund WOODS ended up a teacher, and remained in NEW ZEALAND, and ended up producing a large family of descendents, including myself! Another brother Benjamin Percy WOODS is thought to have arrived in Melbourne, AUSTRALIA in 1881, but little is known about him. He was a Civil Engineer. As a wild generalisation, I am of the understanding that the other boys in the family remained in ENGLAND, and were lawyers, and that the girls were spinisters. I have more information/details if you need it. What is your interest or connection?
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I am unfamiliar with the geography of ENGLAND. Is St Nicholas College, Lancing, Sussex at or near, near New Shoreham? Francis Hollis WOODS attended St Nicholas College, Lancing from Jan 1849 to Jun 1853. George Edmund WOODS was about 11 years younger, and attended from May 1859 to Dec 1862. Their parents Francis Benjamin WOODS and Maria WOODS (nee HOLLIS) are buried at St Botolph's, Heene Cemetery, Worthing, Sussex, ENGLAND; along with a few other relatives. Francis Benjamin Woods died 12 May 1887, and Maria WOODS (nee HOLLIS) died 19 Nov 1886.
Would you have any information about the previous generation of WOODS's? I believe Francis Benjamin WOODS's father was one Benjamin WOODS, and his mother Lucy WOODS (nee WHITE).
Pete
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Hi Pete.
Welcome to Rootschat. :)
St Nicholas College Lancing, is near Worthing, or New Shoreham,
depending in which direct you are going.
Our son used to live in Lancing for a while and you used to be able
to see the college from his flat.
I stood so grand on a hill away from the town.
Hopefully Ian will see this post soon. :)
There are quite a few topics I think on the Hollis(s) family
on the Northants boards.
Sandy
Sandy
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Hello Sandy
And also hello Pete and thank you so much for that great lot of information
sadly i cannot go further back on the woods side of the family as my interest is in the Hollis family (Maria Woods Nee Hollis) as i was following the children of Lovell Hollis the father of Maria and Martha Hollis nee Tite the mother of Maria. whom i am directly descended from. and trying to find the children of the said familys to try and complete a little more of the tree. and you have been a big help in filling a few gaps there for me.
I can only go back a little further on the Hollis side but you will be able to find most of it on here under Northamptonshire board.
Regards Ian
P.S. Sandy
Still stuck at that same old place on the Markie family with James being married in 1760 but i now know he died 1797 Nether heyford. :-) it must be nearly 25 years stuck on one person :-)
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Hi Ian. :)
It has not been the same here without you. :)
Good to see you back.
I take it Lisa told you she looked after me when I was
in hospital in March. Poor Soul.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/08im/
I will have look at the blocking point you have in later
as I just sneaked on whilst doing someone's tree for them. :)
Sandy
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Hi again Ian.
I have looked at Alan and Marilyn's baptism cd and noticed this
baptism at Newnham.
Newnham, near Daventry, near Weedon, near Floore, near Heyford.???
Newnham C of E
09 Feb 1741
Jane MARCKIE d of James & Elizabeth.
We know James married at St Seph's by Licence Susanna Adams
(of Nether Heyford).
The parents of above are noted on the Northants Marriage Indexes.
Newnham By License
29 May 1740
James MARCKIE otp to Elizabeth JENINGS otp
As James and Susanna baptise a child James also do you
think it was following family tradition.
What do you think.
Sandy
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Just had another thought Ian.
As you now know James died in 1797, how old was he.
Sandy
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Hello sandy
I have not come across this before intersting but and i hate that word but James Markie died 1797 age not given his wife died in 1810 age not given both at Nether Heyford and finding twins being born there too and they both died.
as he was married in 1760 and i assume him to be of the age of 21 !!! erm that would put his birth before 1739.
as for tradition yes it seems that the either the 1st son was called after the father or grandfather.
Ok this still does not count this family out but it now also gives me maybe another lead ?
as it asks who are they lol !
No Lisa didnt tell me that you had been in hospital or anything last time i saw Lisa was at the funneral of her nan which was my aunt early this year. otherwise i have not spoken much.
Hope you are better too .
Ian
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Hi again Ian.
You know how we love a difficult one. :)
Anyway I have found a James listed as a Mercer in 1762
and living in Boddington.
As a James and Susanna are baptising there in that time period I
wondered therefore if there could have been a will , with James
being in the textile trade.?
Most of the graves I have for the Nether Heyford Church are
un-readable, although you can see possibly some would be in
the time scale you need .
Sandy
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Hello Sandy
i have missed this you know ;D
Right yes James lived in Boddington from 1760 to 1769 and he owned his house there as i have seen the title deeds to it or should i say mortgage details as he borrowed £50 from a Miss Sabin.
and his occupation then was a Chapman. so do you think he was a travelling textile man ?
after Boddington he moved to Nether Heyford never found a will and i have looked
we also have John Markie at the same time at the Griffin Inn Pitsford who married Martha he then died a couple of years later, cannot prove he is the brother of James.
Is it possiable that James of Newnham and James of Boddington are the one of the same ? or could the James of Newnham be the uncle of the same family
as the surname ok spelt differently but it is near as you will get and i would of thought there has to be a connection somewhere ? and we are in the right area too !
Ian
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I love the way you pop up with extra bits of info Ian. ;D
I did my friend's Anna's family tree, put it all on to DVD for her.
When I gave it to her I said I could not find any links to Ireland.
She replied , well they came from CORK. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. ;D
Anyway the defintion of Chapman http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/c.html
All I do know is he is not on the 1771 Militia List in the County.
I wonder if it would be an idea to try and follow either the wife
in case you haven't already done so for a will.
Sandy
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Hi Sandy
I looked at the link and went arh ok mercer or chapman seems quite clear then, almost the same thing ! quite a respectable man then.
I am unable to find a will for susanna markie the wife of James. mind you i know she was from Nether Heyford and i am yet to even find her birth ! as Susanna Adams. there is another mystry to me.
the entry in his death does also state the following occupation keeper of weighing machine on Stow Hill
It does seem strange that i dont think that they were poor nor rich, but i would of thought they would of had enough to make a will. but i never come across one at the records office.
If he is not on the 1771 militia list does that mean he would of been over a certain age ?
Ian
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Afternoon Ian. :)
Is the Stow Hill near Stowe Nine Churches nr Weedon?
I do not know any other.
As they married by License they could have come into Northants
from anywhere really.
Were any of the witnesses rellies.?
I think James would have been to old for the 1771, but I thought
I would see if there were any other family members about.
Just some thoughts.
Sandy
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Afternoon Sandy ;D
This is all i have on him James Markie
Lived At
Neather Boddington, Northamptonshire
Listed in the 1762 Militia list
James bought a property in Nether Boddington from Richard & William Iffields on the 12th Jan 1768.
he borrowed the sum of £50 from Alice Smith of Claydon, Oxfordshire.
There are two documents mentioning James Markie in the 1760's (Refs: ZA 71 and ZA 72). One is a mortgage dated 12 January 1768 by James Markie of Nether Boddington, dealer and chapman, and his wife, Susannah, to an Alice Smith of Cleydon, co Oxfordshire, spinster, for £50 at 4% interest of a little plot of ground in Nether Boddington and a cottage built on it.
The other is a conveyance in the form of a lease and release dated 3 May 1769 by James Markie and Susannah, his wife, to William Goodwin of Nether Boddington, yeoman, Thomas Sabin of Cleydon, co Oxfordshire, and Alice nee Smith, and John Arnold of Wardington, co Oxfordshire, yeoman, reciting the above mortgage dated 12 January 1768 for £50 and £20 of a little plot in Nether Boddington and a cottage.
Occupation: Dealer and Chapman
Chapman = A pedler who went from village to village.
James Markie otp married Susannah Adams of Nether Heyford, spinster on 11 October 1760 by license. at St Seps Northampton
Witnesses John Markie & Ann Ashby/Ashley.
The license said James was a pedlar and his bondsman was Richard Boon of Northampton, taylor.
This John i dont know if it is a brother as there is a John that gets married on the 1st May 1780 at st seps to Martha Witsey of Pitsford he died in 1783 leaving no will but martha did leaving all to her nephew William Bembrook.
that reallly is everything i have on them
I have also come across the following which may shed a little light who knows it could be a match for susanna markie nee adams.
Holy cross Daventy Bap 20th Dec 1740 Susannah Adams d of John and Susannah Adams,
as the children on the Markie side went Susannah, Thomas, Sarah, John, John, James, Sarah
Regards Ian
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Hi Ian.
I remember all the wills you have as your lineage contains
quite a few well off rellies. :)
Susannah does seem one to keep in mind.
Daventry being near to all the places, there is nothing to
say her family did not move to Heyford after her baptism
or that she was not in service there.
I have been invited to the Northampton Central Library "100
years celebration" , (it will be the only the 2nd time I will have
visited this year). :) There will be cake. ;D
It seems as though you are breaking down the walls.
Sandy
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Hi Ian.
I looked at the 2 marriages today at the Northampton Library
for James and John.
The signature of John Markie on James marriage in 1760 does
not look anything like John's signature on his in 1780.
So I think you can rule out brothers.
Sandy
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I also noticed Ian that John's wife Martha was a Widow at
her marriage in 1780.
There was a Samuel Witsey marrying a Martha Gee (of Guilsborough)
at Scaldwell 1755 which as we know is not far from Pitsford.
Still not helping with James origins though. :)
Sandy