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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dumfriesshire => Topic started by: anne on Monday 19 January 04 21:17 GMT (UK)
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:(Can anyone please help me find my GGGGrandparents births,this is the only info i have on them.David Lammie born Auckinleck 1814 he was a shepherd,i am searching for his wife who i only know as Jane,i think she was born in 1808 in Sorn.I dont know when they married or died.I am only going off info from a census for Hillend Kirkconnell Dumfrieshire,it has them down as aged David 67 and Jane 73 in 1881.Any help would be greatly appreciated.Thankyou Anne.
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Could this be your David ?
LAMMIE, David Christening
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 19 Feb 1815
Christening Date: 26 Feb 1815 Recorded in: Sorn, Ayrshire, Scotland
Father: David LAMMIE
Mother: Mary COWAN
Source: FHL Film 1041467 Dates: 1814 - 1817
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Hi,thankyou so much for your help.This could be my David Lammie,i am going to have a hunt around and see if i can find his marrige date.Thankyou again for your help.Anne. :)
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Hi Anne,
A David Lammie married Jane Gall 17 November 1853 Kirkconnell by Sanquhar, Dumfriesshire. I found this on the IGI. A Jean Gall was born 3 November 1807 daughter of William Gall and Isabell Haddow, Galston, Ayr. This would make her 45 or 46 at the time of marriage. Jean and Jane are interchangeable. I have one in my family who used both spellings.
Cheers,
MAGGIE :)
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Maggie,once again thankyou for your help.I have since found out from another very kind person that Jane Gall was Davids second wife,his first wife was unknown but was dead by 1851.Their youngest son William was only 2 years old so she must have died sometime between 1847 and 1851.Thankyou again Maggie,if it wasnt for people like you many of us would be hitting lots of brick walls,infact i would have given up a long time ago.Thankyou.Anne. :)
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Hi
In 1851 there are 3 siblings called GALL
living in Sanquar
I wonder if they could be related to Jane
Edward Margaret and William
all single and Margaret is Head of the household
aged 33
Her brothers are both shoemakers
Christine
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Thankyou Christine,i will keep that info in my records and get back to if they link up.Thankyou again for your help.Anne.
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Hi
I think this could be your
David Lammie b.19/2/1815 sorn.ayshire
father David
mother Mary Cowan
hope it helps
audrey
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Found this Marriage on Scotlands People could be the first marriage you were looking for
Date : 1 Jun 1841
Groom: LAMMIE DAVID I
Bride: ISABELLA MCMICHAIL
Frame Number: FR376
Sex: M
Parish: AUCHINLECK
GROS Data: 577/00 0002
and the second marriage
Date :17 Nov 1853
Groom : LAMMIE DAVID
Bride : JANE GALL
Frame Number: FR240
Parish: KIRKCONNEL
GROS Data: 834/00 0002
And the reference numbers for the birth posted before this
26 Feb 1815
LAMMIE DAVID
Son of DAVID LAMMIE and MARY COWAN
Frame Number FR417
Parish SORN
GROS DATA 613/00 0002
Best wishes
Mo
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Thankyou Audrey and Mo so much for the info you have both sent.I am nearly sure that this is my family and i now have the info i need.Thankyou both very much.Anne.
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DEAR ANNE,
I AM RELATED TO DAVID LIMMOND LAMMIE AND JANE GALL/ISABELLA MCMICHAEL THROUGH HIS FATHER WHO WAS JOHN LAMMIE/LAMBIE
I HAVE PHOTOS OF DAVIDS HEADSTONE AND A HOST OF OTHER INFO RIGHT DOWN MY LINE TO THE PRESENT DAY I WOULD LOVE TO EXCHANGE INFO THAT I HAVE AND CONTACT SOMEONE ELSE IN THE PRESENT WHO IS RELATED FROM THE DISTANT PAST
I STAY IN GIRVAN AYRSHIRE,
KIND REGARDS ALEX
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Hi Alex,thankyou for getting in touch with me.My line starts with Jessie Lammie,born in Kirkconnell in 1877,she married William Young at Hillend Kirkconnell 7th October 1898,the witnesses to their marriage were Robert Young and Isabella Lammie,i also have the 1901 census for Luger Auchenleck where Jessie,william and their daughter[my grandmother] Jean Wilson Young were living.they were my Grt Grandparents on my fathers side.Jessies parents were George Lammie and Jane Wilson.George Lammie was born 1849 at Kirkconnell,i think he had these brothers Robert born 1845 Kirkconnell and William born 1847,not sure where.Georges parents were David Lammie and Mary Cowan[i think],i am not sure if i have the right wife first.,it could be Jane Gall his 2nd wife he married her 17th November 1853 at Sanquer,Jane was born in 1808 in Sorn i have no idea who her parents are.I have no death details for any of them except my Grandmother Jean Wilson Young.George Lammies wife Jane Wilsons parents were Thomas Wilson and Ann Maxwell,Jane had 6 sisters and no brothers.Nice to know you live in Girvan my dad and his brothers and sisters were born in Girvan and lived there all there lives,some still do except for my dad he moved away when he met mam and lives just over the border in Shilbottle,i live in Amble a couple of miles from them.Anyway Alex nice talking to you and i hope to hear from you again soon,i have a few census records for the Lammie family if you want them,if you dont mind i would love to have any info on their deaths.Thankyou again for getting in touch Anne.
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DEAR ANNE,
HERE IS (I HOPE) THE HEADSTONE OF ISABELLA MCMICHAEL+DAVID LAMMIE AND JANE GALL.
AT PRESENT I AM NOT SURE OF ANY LINK TO THE WILSONS
WILL TRY AND LOOK AGAIN .
DAVID LAMMIE HAD A SON WHO DIED IN LONDON (THIS IS NOT TO CLEAR ON THE PHOTO)
DAVIDS SON ROBERT MARRIED JANE MCGAVIN THEY HAD THREE SONS I HAVE THEM TRACED TO THE PRESENT, BUT THIS DOES NOT APPPEAR TO BE YOUR FAMILY.
REGARDS FOR NOW ALEX
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Hi Alex,thankyou for the photos of the grave stones.I wonderd if its not being pushy would you mind telling me what it says,i can read the first part but after that it gets a bit tricky.Thankyou again Alex.Anne.
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HI ANNE THE SECONED PART IS
TO THEIR SON WHO DIED IN LONDON AGE 22 ON THE 30/1/1872
HIS WIFE JANE GALL WHO DIED 9/7/1894 AGE 88 ALSO THE ABOVE DAVID LAMMIE WHO DIED 10/4/1898 (THE REST IS UNREADABLE BUT I THINK IT WENT ON TO SAY WHERE HE DIED.
REGARDS FOR NOW ALEX
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Hi Alex,i seem to have misplaced some of my Lammie info but i will find it.I am the worlds worst organiser,i have paperwork everywhere.I will give you what i have at the moment.This is census info for my George Lammie.
1881 census for Hillend Kirkconnell.George Lammie head age 32 shepherd born Kirkconnell
Jane Wilson wife age 29 born Sanquer
Janet Lammie daughter age 4 born Kirkconnell[this is my Grt Grandmother]also known as Jessie Lammie
Isabella Lammie daughter age 2 born Kirkconnell.
Mary Lammie daughter age 5 months born Kirkconnell.
This next one is for Georges brother Robert
1881 census for Brackenside Douglas Lanarkshire
Robert Lammie head age 37 born Kirkconnell
Jane Mcgavin wife age 37 born Mauchline
David Lammie son age 8 born Douglas
Hugh Lammie son age age 6 born Douglas
John Lammie son age 4 born Douglas
Maggie Lammie age 3 born Douglas
1881 census for Hillend Kirkconnell
David Lammie head shepherd age 67 born Auckinleck
Jane Gall wife age age 73 born Sorn
Hugh Lammie grandson age 6 born Douglas[Hugh is Robert Lammies son]
These are brothers and sisters of above David Lammie
James born 10th March 1809 Catrine Sorn
Andrew born 10th February 1811 Catrine Sorn
William born 15th January 1813 Catrine Sorn
Anne born 10th April 1816 Catrine Sorn
Gavin born 8th April 1818 Catrine Sorn
Jean born 1st September 1820 Catrine Sorn
Robert born 8th July 1822 Catrine Sorn
I know i have more info Alex its just finding it,but i will have a hunt around in amongst the mess of paperwork and will get back to you.Anne.
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DEAR ANNE THANK YOU FOR ALL THE INFO THAT YOU HAVE SENT
I WILL NOW PRINT IT OFF AND STUDY IT
ONCE AGAIN THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME .
KIND REGARDS ALEX
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DEAR ANNE ,
LIKE YOU MY PAPER WORK IS A REAL MESS MAYBE SOME DAY!!
FOUND A LETTER FROM A BRIAN LAMBIE WHICH STATES THAT THERE IS A HEADSTONE ERECTED IN
DARVEL AYRSHIRE
FROM WHICH I QUOTE;
ERECTED BY DAVID LAMMIE IN LOVING MEMORY OF ROBERT LAMMIE HIS FATHER, BORN 5/MARCH/1844,
DIED 24 APRIL 1914 AT HILLEND NEW CUMNOCK,
JANE MCGAVIN HIS MOTHER BORN 28 AUGUST 1843 DIED 8 JAN. 1928.
JANET H. CAMERON HIS WIFE(DAVID) BORN2 AUGUST 1884 DIED 8 SEPTEMBER 1946
(NO MENTION OF DAVID)
DAVID AND JANET HAD CONSTANCE AND IRENE,
CONSTANCE HAD DAVID (B.1952) AND SHIRLEY (B.1957)
IRENE HAD HUGH AND DAVID.
THERE IS MORE DETAILS WHICH I WILL SCAN AND SEND IN THE FUTURE,
SO MANY NAMES THE SAME BUT WE SHOULD WORK IT OUT
ONCE THE BETTER WEATHER IS HERE I SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIND THE TIME TO VIST DARVEL AND GET SOME PHOTOS.
REGARDS FOR NOW ALEX
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Hi Alex,i am not sure if you are related to these or not but thought i would give you them anyway.
Grave number 99 Dalmellington Churchyard Ayrshire.
Erected by Hugh Limmond died 3/7/1933 aged 57 interred at Fenwick.
In Memory Of Mary Wallace Lammie died at Meadowbank 25/9/1912 aged 39 and son Robert died 16/5/1912 aged two and a half years.
These are some births i got from the same site.
Robert Lammie Limmond father Hugh Lammie mother Mary Wallace Lammie born Meadowbank 12/10/1909
Mary Wallace Limmond born 13/11/1906 parents as above
Quintin Limmond 13/1/1905 parents as above
Ruth Wilson Limmond 12/8/1912.
It could just be a coincidence but there is a Wilson in the middle name of the last child.
I think my Georges parents were David Lammie and Jane Gall.Anyway let me know if the info is of any use to you .Anne.
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Hi Alexander,i have since found out that my Davids parents were David Lammie and Mary Cowan,also my David married 1st wife Isabella Mcmichael then 2nd wife Jane Gall.He also had 2 brothers Robert who married Jane Mcgavin born 1845 and William born 1847.Does this make sense now.Anne.
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Hi there,
I have just stumbled across this debate and believe that I can clear up one or two things here.
David Lammie the son of David Lambie and Mary Cowan was born in Sorn not Auchinleck -
Lammie John & David, lawful twins children of David Lammie, Mason near Catrine & Mary Cowan his spouse, were born 19th & baptized 26th February 1815.
David Lambie senior was the son of James Lamie and Jean Shaw. This means the connection is not as discussed here. David was a Mason as was his son.
By 1881, David was living in Newton on Ayr with his second wife Margaret McCreath and working on the Railways.
Its important to extend the search from Lammie to Lamie and Lambie as the spelling is down to the literacy of the local clergy. Every Lambie was Lammie in Sorn and Lamie then Lambie in Mauchline.
I can also tell you about Mary Wallace Lambie if anyone is interested?
I have extensive research on these families if I can help with more information.
Regards,
Paul Lambie
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Hi Paul,i am so pleased you got in toch with us.I hope you can solve this puzzle because i am at a loss as to where to go next.This is the info i have on my Lammies.
My Great Grandmother was Jessie Lammie born 1877 Kirkconnell married William Young 7th October 1898 at Hillend Kirkconnell,daughter of George Lammie and Jane Wilson.This much i know is right.
Georges parents were David Lammie and Isabella Mcmichael,this is also true i got the death certificate of George from Scotlands People.George died March 7th at Little Dalhamner New Cumnock 1919 aged 70.I dont know where George was born or his siblings.
This is the marriage details of George Lammie to Jean Wilson which i also got from Scotlands People.
Married in the Parish of Kirkconnell Dumfrieshire George Lammie a shepherd age 27 residence Hillend son of David Lammie and Isabella Mcmichael.
Jane Wilson age 24,daughter of James Wilson a farmer and Janet Dargarvel.
23rd May 1876 in Kirkconnell Village After Banns According to The Forms of the Established Church of Scotland.I also have Janes death certificate,she remarried after George died.
The question now is who was Davids parents and siblings and Isabellas parents and siblings,this is where i am stuck,i just cant seem to get any further.David Lammie and Margaret Cowan comes into the picture somewhere along the line but with so much info i got really confused and decided to give it all a rest.Can you help me Paul it would be really appreciated if you could sort out who belongs to who.Anne.
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Hi Anne,
I can help out a little here.
David Lammie and Isobel McMichael had at least 3 sons - Robert (5 March 1844), William (22 April 1846), and George (5 September 1848), all born in Kirkconnel. As these are OPR records you should assume that these are christening dates.
David then married Jane Gall 17 November 1853 in Kirkconnel.
Robert married Jeanie McGavin in Riccarton in 1871. This is the grave highlighted by Alex in an earlier posting.
A David Lammie died in Kirkconnel in 1898 aged 84. This would be consistent with your census record giving a birth c1814. The reference on Scotlands People is 834/00 0006. This should give you his parents.
My money would be on John Lambie and Margaret Lambie who had a William 'Lambie' christened in Kirkconnel 12 December 1802.
Again, all this would be consistent with the information posted by Alex.
If you are interested, I host the Lambie mailing list on Rootsweb to further research of all Lambie, Lammie, and Lamie variants.
Hope this helps,
Paul
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Hi Paul,thankyou for the info and yes it does help now i have something to work on.I will check out Scotlands People again and see what i can find.Thankyou again for your help.Anne.
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DEAR ANNE,
I AM RELATED TO DAVID LIMMOND LAMMIE AND JANE GALL/ISABELLA MCMICHAEL THROUGH HIS FATHER WHO WAS JOHN LAMMIE/LAMBIE
I HAVE PHOTOS OF DAVIDS HEADSTONE AND A HOST OF OTHER INFO RIGHT DOWN MY LINE TO THE PRESENT DAY I WOULD LOVE TO EXCHANGE INFO THAT I HAVE AND CONTACT SOMEONE ELSE IN THE PRESENT WHO IS RELATED FROM THE DISTANT PAST
I STAY IN GIRVAN AYRSHIRE,
KIND REGARDS ALEX
Alexander,
My GGG-Grandparents were John Lambie/ Margaret Lambie and I would like to get in touch with you to explore relationships.
Willie Lambie