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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hertfordshire => Topic started by: aryan on Thursday 16 February 06 08:59 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I wonder if anyone can help me i am trying to trace the Lovelock family.
The info i have at the moment is that Bert (albert) Lovelock married a Mary Trott in 1909 his address being in New Bushey.
His fathers name is Richard Lovelock and was a horse keeper, i think Bert (albert) was born about 1886.
Thank you alison
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Hi Alison
Working on the basis that Mary would be in the Bushey area, I found this:
RG13/1314/142/30
Charles TROTT H M 36 - general labourer - Bushey Herts
Harriett W M 34 - Edgeware Middx
Mary E dau 13 - ditto
Charles W son 11 - Hendon Middx
Sarah Esther dau 7 - Bushey Herts
Lilian E dau 5 - do
Herbert E son 3 - do
Dorothy Ethel dau 1 - do
Address: 35 ?Heckomes Road, Bushey, Hertfordshire
This was the only (Al)Bert I could find with a father Richard in the equine industry!
RG13/139/73/52
Richard W LOVELOCK H M 53 - foreman at horse repository - St Pancras
Mary W M 53 - Herts Bushey
Charles W son U 21 - horsekeeper - St Pancras
Alice M M dau U 19 - machinist at spanish liquorice factory - ditto
Minnie L dau U 16 - machinist at ditto - ditto
Frederick son 9 - East Battersea
Bertie A son 13 - St Pancras
George V son 8 - Islington
Kate M dau 8 - ditto
Ada E HICKS dau M 25 - St Pancras
Richard H HICKS grand son 4 - Islington
Ada M HICKS grand dau 6 months - St Pancras
Address: 14 Bidborough St, St Pancras, London
I hope this accords with what you know.
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
Edited to include birthplaces of the TROTTS
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Hi Arranroots,
Thanks for the reply, the info that i have been given by the family doesn't tally up, but they do mention Euston which means there could be a connection.
regards alison
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Well I am amazed!
You have more information?
Care to share?
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Hi
The info i was given was by one of my husbands relatives and she told us that Bert lovelock was born in 1854 in Euston and that he married Mary Trott. On finding their marriage cert. i discovered that Bert was 23 yrs old so could not have been born in 1854 as she said (also it meant he was in his 70 when my husbands grandfather was born!)
I always thought that Bert was a shorten version of Albert and so followed that line with not much success.
The other bit of info she gave us was she thinks is the Lovelocks originated from Cornwall.
Alison
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There is no (Al)bert LOVELOCK , or variant spellings born 1854 +/- 5 years - anywhere in the country.
Interestingly the family posted above also had an older son Albert and both were alive at the same time! They had an additional 4 children to those mentioned above.
I can trace both of these families back to 1851 and they are firmly rooted in Middlesex and Hertfordshire respectively.
The most LOVELOCKS found in Cornwall in in 1901 when there are 20 and the lease 1861 when there were 6 - they must have been moving in rather than out!!
Something wrong somewhere?
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Hi
I have managed to trace the Lovelocks back to 1851 but i am having trouble with the Trotts, can you help please.
The info i had been given so of it was heresay probably from my husbands grandfather i know with my side of the family how stories get changed over the years.
Alison
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Happy to help you Alison, but you are confusing the life out of me, LOL!! ;D
You posted for LOVELOCK - but you say you now have them?
Do you have any certificates yet? The marriage cert for LOVELOCK/ TROTT would give fathers' names & occupations and ensure you are following the correct lines.
Why don't you post what you have found and we can see where to go next?
You are right about hearsay, hence the need to confirm the facts in easy steps as we go along.
Will wait to hear from you
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Hi
I have got the marriage cert for Mary and Bert lovelock, Mary fathers name is Charles Trott and was a coachman that was in 1909.
I found him on the 1891 census but the trail went cold.
You quoted that you could trace both families back to 1851 hence i asked for your help as my trail seemed to go cold.
I have applied for Mary Trotts birth cert and await its arrival.
Sorry if i have confused you.
Regards Alison
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I have got the marriage cert for Mary and Bert lovelock, Mary fathers name is Charles Trott and was a coachman that was in 1909.
That seems to tie in with the census for 1901 I found above. Coachman is not a skilled trade, so there is no reason he could not have changed from gen lab
I found him on the 1891 census but the trail went cold.
Will have a look for earlier censuses, but it is quicker if you had posted the 1891 here
You quoted that you could trace both families back to 1851 hence i asked for your help as my trail seemed to go cold.
I don't think I did say that - but I will certainly do my best!! ::) ;D
I have applied for Mary Trotts birth cert and await its arrival.
Good plan!
Are you happy to leave the LOVELOCKS for now then?
Will get back if I find anything
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Here they are in 1891 then
RG12/1049/130/6
Charles J TROTT H M 24 - fly driver - Bushey Herts
Harriett W M 23 - Edgeware Middx
Annie E dau 6 - ditto
Mary E dau 4 - ditto
Charles W son 2 - Hendon Middx
Address: Suttons Yard, Hendon, Middlesex
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Found this family near yours in 1901
RG13/1314/142/30
James TROTT H M 24 - bricklayer - Portsmouth
Helen W M 28 - Bushey
Annie dau 7 - do
Helen dau 4 - do
Might be a clue to where they were in earlier censuses?
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Had you considered this chap in 1881? Despite the inaccuracies, it seems possible:
RG11/3189/37/7
Charles TROT lodger U 17 - kennel boy huntsman - Bushby Middx (sic)
Address: Hall Lane, Medbourne, Leicestershire
Head of household Thomas MARTIN, hound feeder (hunting household!)
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Hi
Thank you for your replies, i haven't done anymore research as yet i thought i would wait till Mary Trotts birth cert. arrives then try and pick it up from there.
regards Alison.
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Good idea Alison
Look forward to hearing whether we are up a gum tree or not!!
A ;)
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Hi
Have now got Mary Trotts birth cert. She was born 1887 edgeware, mother Harriet Perry father Charles.
I have managed to trace their marriage cert. Hendon april 1885, awaiting that arrival.
Harriet's mother's name is on Mary Trotts birth cert. but unable to read surname it is not Perry.
I did manage to find a Harriet Perry in 1881 at a convent St Mary Magdalen.
Charles still eludes me at present, on Mary bith cert his employment is Horse keeper.
Alison
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Charles still eludes me at present
Seems to me that the birth cert agrees perfectly with the census return for 1901 that I posted in my first reply. Do you not think that Charles in the earlier censuses is the right man?
What is Harriet's mother's first name? It could be that we can find a remarriage.
What is the address of the birth - it will be interesting to see whether we can find them there on censuses, or whether it matches the marriage cert.
Let us know when the marriage cert arrives!
;)
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Hi
I have been trying to work out the name of the mother on Mary s birth cert and i have now come to the conclusion that it reads Mother Little Stanmore? not an a name as such but mother as in a religious sense. The address on the cert looks the same but there is a bit missing from the bottom.
Alison
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Hi Alison
If you are having difficulty reading the cert, why not scan and post it on the Common Room board? Rootschatters love deciphering illegible handwriting!
A ;)