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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: Jenie_Oakley75 on Thursday 16 February 06 06:18 GMT (UK)
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I am searching for the family of my husband's elusive great grandfather George Henry Scott, born around 1895. He is said to have come from Stroud, Gloucestershire. On his marriage certificate in 1920 (by which time he had moved to Maidenhead, Berkshire having served in France in WWI - we don't know in which regiment) his father was given as William Scott (deceased), Collier. He also had a brother called William E. Scott and sister-in-law Dorothy (married before 1935). I have found a William Edward Scott born 1908 Dursley RD and died Gloucester RD 1989, but have not been able to find a birth for a George (Henry) Scott anywhere near Stroud in the right era or to find a George (Henry) Scott of the right age with a father William living in Gloucestershire on the 1901 census, ??? :-\ so I am working on the theory that the family might have moved to the area from another part of the country (the mining aspect also makes me wonder that) sometime around 1901-1908. ??? Although I have noticed that there were other George Henry Scotts in Stroud RD at earlier dates. ::) I would really appreciate any help! Thank you. :)
Jenie
PS I am indebted to Little Nell on the Berkshire boards for even getting this far, as she was able to find and send me a newspaper report about George Henry Scott's untimely and tragic death :( in an accident at work - thank you again Nell if you see this! :)
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???do you know if George henry Scott died in ww1 as my great grandad did i found his records on military-genealogy.com on the 3rd page there is a George henry Scott from knowle bristol that is about 20 miles away from here in stroud i still have credits with this site will look up for you if you think its him?
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Hi,
Thank you for your offer, but no George Henry Scott definitely did not die in WWI. I am considering war records as a possible way forward, but probably won't be able to get to London any time soon to look them up, and I understand that it is much harder to trace people that survived the war.
Jenie
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Hi Jenie
Sorry you have not had much response to this.
I had a look for your man without success. I wonder whether it would be worth investing in the brother's marriage cert to see whether it is any more helpful?
About mining: there were several areas of Gloucestershire that were notable for mining - Frampton Cotterell area and the Forest of Dean being the principle ones. Also the Bedminster area of Bristol and Kingswood in south Gloucestershire. So it is not impossible that he was a Gloucestershire. I could be wrong, but I don't recall any mining in the Dursley/ Stroud area - will have a look for you.
Did William jr move away from Gloucestershire too?
Good luck with your search
Arranroots ;)
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Hi Arranroots,
Thanks. Yes, the brother's marriage certificate is another possibilty I suppose. I am also considering paying a researcher to look up George's WWI records (if they have survived) as I am not able to get to the PRO in the near future. Thank you for the info about mining in Gloucestershire; that's useful to know. I did find a George Scott in Bristol in 1901, but he was a few years too old (unless of course the ages on George Henry Scott's marriage and death certificates are incorrect). I don't think that his father was a collier either. William Jr seems to have stayed in Stroud, as the funeral report for George (1935) said that his brother had travelled from Stroud. I found a possible birth certificate reference for 1908 (which would make William about 13 years younger than George) for William with a matching death certificate reference, and if this is the correct one he was still living in Gloucestershire when he died.
Jenie
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Hi again Jeni
It strikes me that in the grand scheme of things, this is not in the distant past and we should be a bit careful that the people concerned are not still alive - slight possibility!
There are definitely still SCOTTs in the Dursley area, judging by the phone book.
I wonder if you have managed to locate a date for Dorothy's death? There is a possible match:
Dorothy Beryl SCOTT d Gloucester 1997 (born 1914) - but would she be too young?
(My reasoning is that if you can find a suitable record, it might prove whether William stayed in the area or not).
I am assuming there are no living relatives left to ask? You could try writing to SCOTTs in the Dursley area or putting an ad in the local paper (Thornbury Gazette, Stroud News & Journal or The Western Daily Press?)
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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My husband's grandfather has been dead for about 20 years now but we wrote to both of his brothers (only one is still alive now) some years ago to ask for any information on the Scott family, but they knew very little about their father's side having been very young when he died. The death for Dorothy does sound possible, especially if the 1908 birth for William is the correct one. All that I know is that they were married before 1935 when George died (their message from the flowers in the funeral article only gave their names, no children or family mentioned), so if Dorothy was born in 1914 she would have been 20-21 by then. Thanks for your help & ideas.
Jenie
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Hi Jenie
I know this is a bit of a long shot, but I'm going into Stroud library on Monday to look up something for another RootsChatter and I thought perhaps it would be worthwhile having a look in the Stroud and Dursley parish records for George Henry's birth and perhaps William E's as well.
Of course they could have been baptised at any village in the area (or not at all if they were non-conformists ::) ) but I'm happy to have a look around 1895 and onwards if that might help.
Angela
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THank you that would be a big help :) :) if you have the time to take a quick look - even if all that it does is rule out those parishes it is still a start.George Henry Scott was born about 1895, not sure about his brother William E. Scott's DOB (though he was married by 1935) - there was one born 1908 in Stroud district but perhaps not the right one. George's father was William Scott and he was a collier (though of course might have done other jobs as well). William had died by 1920. Not much to go on I'm afraid but anything that you are able to check would be a huge help. Thank you again. :D ;D :)
Jenie
PS I have also now submitted letters to all 3 newspapers listed above by Arranroots - thank you. :)
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Hi Jenie
That's fine - I'll have a sniff around and see what I can find, if anything. As you say, it might be useful for elimination purposes if nothing else!
I'll let you know how I get on next week
Best wishes
Angela
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Thank you so much Angela - greatly appreciated. :) :)
Jenie
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Hi Jenie
Well, I've been to the library but it didn't turn up anything I'm afraid :(
The main parish records for Stroud stop at 1894 (would you believe it!) I checked 1893/1894 for George Henry but no go.....
The parish of Holy Trinity, Stroud started up in 1879 and their parish records covered the right period - I checked 1893-1900 but nothing there.
Typically, the library copies of Dursley records stop at 1867, so they were no good either. For what it's worth, they did have records for Coaley and he wasn't there.
The Record Office at Gloucester should have more records both for Stroud St Lawrence and Dursley. I know some people do go fairly frequently to the record office, so perhaps they could check for you?
Sorry about that :(
Best wishes
Angela
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Hi Angela,
Thank you very much for checking for me :) - it all helps with the process of elimination for me :) Perhaps I will hear something eventually via the newspapers that I wrote to as well. Thanks again for looking for me. :)
Jenie
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Hi Jenie
I'll keep my fingers crossed on the newspapers front ;D
If you do get anything, please let us know - I'm intrigued!
Best wishes
Angela
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Hi Angela,
Just want to let you know that I have had two replies, and the second of these has tied in for me that they both relate to the right family. :) Not much more to go on relating to the parents of George Henry & William E. Scott (apart from that their father might have been George, not William but still a coal miner, and that the surname Treasure is connected somewhere), but at least now I know a little more about William E. & his family and have even received a photo. :) Thanks again for your help.
Jenie
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Hi Jenie
Thanks for letting us know what happened ;D
It's good that at least you have a little bit more to go on! I must admit that I've often got further with tracing things back through siblings than through the direct line, so perhaps that's a more promising route for you too :)
If there's anything we can help with on the looking-up front then please do say....
Good luck and best wishes in the hunt
Angela
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Hi Angela,
Thank you. :) Well I have managed to make further progress by finding a marriage between a George Scott (not William) & a Phoebe Treasure in 1892, :D ;D although this took place in Somerset not Gloucestershire - and in a mining area, as I soon discovered, which fits in nicely. I also found Phoebe Treasure on each census year (not difficult with an unusual name like that) and traced her family pretty well with the IGI combined with census returns, although George Scott remains a bit of a mystery until the marriage certificate arrives, as he had died before 1901 and Phoebe had already remarried but her sons William & George Scott (aged 11 and 6 - the correct age for george Henry) appear with her and her 2nd husband at Frenchmoor, Hampshire on the 1901 census (so the move to Stroud clearly took place later on). George's birthplace is shown as Bath, which has allowed me to order his birth certificate, as well as his mother's and his parents' marriage certificate. :) :D
Jenie
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Hi Jeni,
That's BRILLIANT news ;D I bet you're thrilled after all this time - I know I would be!
Well done and I hope your run of luck continues ::)
Angela
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Hi Angela,
Yes, I am so pleased to be on the right track at last. :D :) I just hope that the certificates will confirm what I found and help me to continue the search for George Scott senior. :)
Jenie
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Hi Jenie
I've got my fingers crossed for those certificates ;D
Good luck
Angela
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Hello,
My grandfather was William Edward Scott who married Dorothy Cove. He took the name of Treasure-Scott and lived at Rodborough, Stroud before his death in the 1950's.