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Hi,
I am looking for Edlins in Leicestershire, mainly the Vale of Belvoir area. I have traced back my family definitely to William Edlin, born Croxton Kerrial 1777. There are links to Manchester Edlins also and appears to be a connection to Methodism as some were Local Preachers. Anyone able to help or wish to share information? Look forward to hearing from you.
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Hi,
I am looking for Edlins in Leicestershire, mainly the Vale of Belvoir area. I have traced back my family definitely to William Edlin, born Croxton Kerrial 1777. There are links to Manchester Edlins also and appears to be a connection to Methodism as some were Local Preachers. Anyone able to help or wish to share information? Look forward to hearing from you.
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Hi Midmum,
I also have an interest in the Eaton, Leic. Edlins. I believe that a few from
GenesReunited are joining this group, to be headed up by "behind the frogs"
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Hi Midmum
I find your introduction very interesting. I recognise your Manchester branch as possibly being directly linked to the three brothers who went to New Zealand, but who were the Methodist preachers?
There are methodists including preachers amongst tha descendents of Edward Edlin born 1809 at Croxton Kerial son of Robert. Have you managed to link this branch of the family back to William 1777? It would be a major step to have the man who invented the pneumatic tyre with Dunlop in one big Leicestershire family.
The other big question of course is if William Ebenezer (1799) was the son of William (1777) who was the mother? If there are two Williams, which one actually married Mary Ashbourne and Jane Bunney?
David
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would it be possible for all the Leic. researchers to forward their infomation to roots chat and see if a concerted effort can be made to penetrate thru the brick wall ??
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Wow what a great response! I recognise "Behind the frogs" as you have kindly sent me info in the past, lots of it. I have passed onto you info and strays also. I think suspice you are in a warm place down under! Will be happy to join up any group with the aim of getting further back for the Edlins.
In response to the preacher question a Mr Thomas Bunney Edlin,( my gt gt grandfather) was a Classleader, Trustee and Local Preacher in the Methodist cause.His son James W. Edlin, by his first marriage, was also a local preacher who went out to India as an Evangelist and Colporteur.
At Stathern there is mention of a William Edlin in 1833 as a Trustee of the methodist church.
Look forward to sharing and moving forward.
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Sorry I picked the wrong Manchester Family and missed Thomas being a methodist. His brother Ebenezer of course went to Levenshulme and founded quite a Lancashire dynasty of medics and teachers.
I am not sure quiite what a "class leader" was not being a methodist. Being a colporteur (pedlar of religeous books) in India send my imagination wild. Do you have any interesting stories?
I see we have started another jigsaw game of identifying who is behind the rootschat name.
David
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Hi David,
Will own up - I am Heather in Lancs, related to those medics and teachers through TB Edlin. TB Edlin also had his first children in Lancs before moving back to Leics. At present I am attempting to find the death in India of his son.
Have so far got a William James died in Berne and a William James died in Geneva! Are they anyones?
No interesting stories as yet but promise to pass any on that I do find. Not sure what a class leader was or is but I know a man who does and will pass that on. I wasn't aware that there were other religious connections. I wondered whether religion and preaching were the reasons why the Edlins moved about the country.
Heather
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Heather,
Welcome to rootschat
Try posting a specific request in the common room giving details of William James Edelin, his dates, where he was likely to have died and ask for ideas. You will be surprised what the experts in this chatroom come up with given a chance. I saw an Indian non- military deaths site somwhere but I can't recall it.
I had twigged who you were but it took a few minutes
David
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Hi David,
thanks for the suggestion, will try it out. I have been trawling the consular deaths so far no luck. Will be seeing a Methodist Minister next week to find out about the system of preachers / leaders etc. It is amazing what this hobby throws up and I should start pub quizzes with all the associated trivia! In Leics next week also searching graveyards etc so if any one needs pics of churches etc in Vale of Belvior let me know and I will do my best.
Heather
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Hi Heather,
Good to see that you are right into it. Anything around the Eaton area would be good. Thanks. Kindest regards. John
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I have just had a communication from a lady who has an Edlin family in Lincolnshire just over the border in Denton. It goes back to 1602. I have looked at her tree and there is nothing obvious to link with Croxton Kerrial but has anyone looked over the border for our 1777 William?
David.
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That is very interesting as my mum said there were Edlins in Denton "that weren't spoken of" no reason given. However she has a photo of my gt gran Ada Mary Edlin with a smart woman in a fur coat from the Grantham area believed to be a relative. No one can identify her however. Does this researcher know of any links however tenuous?
Will look at Eaton for you John - just send me some sun!!
Heather.
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Have just come across a portrait of Edward Edlin, 1850 on the National Portrait Gallery site
www.npg.org.uk
Is he anyones?
Heather
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He might be Edward Colsill Edlin father of Sir Peter Henry Edlin QC. The lithograph is noted in my card index but nothing more. I have only just started talking to the Lincolnshire lady. She suggested the proximity but nothing more.
David
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would that be the QC in the Jack the Ripper case?
Heather
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Hi David, Yes Edward would be the son of Sir Peter. I took a copy of the portrate and have it filed under Peter.
Kindest regards.
John
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I am a bit confused about my Ripper history but I didn't think it ever got to court. He was definitely around at the right time and in the right place.
John I presume you meant yes Edward was his father
David
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Hi David,
Sorry about the confusion. Please forgive the ramblings of a man -:) !
Yes means Edward was Peter's son.
Kindest regards
John
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GEE I AM CONFUSED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edward is Peter's father :
Regards
John -:)
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Hi John,
back from Leics and Eaton, can you believe we had snow!? Will e-mail you tomorrow with what happened. Discovered that Nether Broughton has a schoolroom dedicated to J. W. Edlin.
Heather
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Hi Heather !
Snow !!! what is that stuff ??? We now have the rain - thankyou. -:)
Looking forward to your email . That is great about J W Edlin.
Annette has sent to me a UK nation burial index. which Iam studing.
Kindest regards John
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Hello
Can anyone place a Robert Edlin who married Ann Platt 11 august 1822 at Goadby Marwood?
Heather.
have sent you a personal e-mail John re Eaton
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Did you pick them up from the other thread that I have been pursuing today?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,132986.msg596593.html#msg596593
David
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Hi David,
No found it in a reprint of some Leic parish marriage registers. Had a look at the thread, very interesting and very exciting. Is your contactof the Lincs Edlins interested in seeing a picture of two Grantham Edlin ladies, names unknown? Probably taken around the 50s.
Look forward to more developments
Heather
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David,
Have some info courtesy of being given my mothers day present early.(he was fed up of hearing about the revaluations earlier today) Anyway got Leics Marriage Records vols 1-12 and have looked at Vol 4 covering Croxton and surrounds and found these entries:
KNIPTON
William Edlin and Ann Adcock 26 Oct 1586
Richard Barwell and Ann Edlin 5 may 1608
John Borras of Great Gonerby and Eleanor Edling 9 July 1821
CROXTON KERRIAL
Robert Edlin and Mary Backler 11 Nov 1793
William Edlin and Mary Ashbourne, lic 6 June 1815
HOSE
Thomas Edlin of Croxton Kerrial and Jane Grey 9 Jan 1837
Does this help matters or confuse it more. I am very aware that it is to you we are all looking to work this out as the hub of our wheel and hope this is okay.
Best wishes Heather
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Further to my last post re Leics Marriage Records think I needed to say something re copyright .The information is copyright of S and N Genealogy Supplies. Hope I havent infringed any rights or upset anyone. Feel free to let me know if I have erred.
Heather
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The William Edlin who married Ann Adcock in 1586 seems very likely to be the one who died in 1607 leaving a will which mentions wife Ann.
The other interesting one is the Robert Edlin and Mary Backler marriage 1793. It is a bit early but could well be the ancestors of the bicycle makers including the William who worked with Dunlop on the first pneumatic tyre. The only children I have are Edward 1809 and Thomas 1815. As I said a bit early but a candidate.
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Hello
I'm "behindthefrogs " contact who has EDLIN ancestors in Lincolnshire. They trace back from my 2x great grandmother, Elizabeth baptized 1834 East Allington through Great Gonerby and Honington. Bartholomew was baptized Honington 1750 his parents are John & Jane EDLIN. John was very probably baptized 1721 at Denton. He married Jane KIRK 1747 at Little Ponton. Recently I've discovered there is another candidate for 'my' John born at Coningsby 1725 that I need to check out.
I then have a line at Denton back to a baptism in 1602. I've been trying to piece together the EDLIN family who were still at Denton after 1747. There is still some checking to be done but I have four generations the youngest of which are three brothers John, Robert and William. John and William both went to live in Leicestershire, Robert stayed in Denton but his wife Ann came from Rearsby. John lived at Saltby and William at Eaton. There is also another William who would be the uncle of these three baptized 2 September 1777 at Denton son of Robert & Sarah. At present I only have his baptism for certain but he may be the one you seek.
At the top end of my little line of EDLINS I'm having trouble deciding which of the many men named Robert was the link into the main line - the baptisms at Denton don't show the names of wives and mothers and only one Robert left a will that is extant.
If you think it will help you I'll let you have the detail.
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Hello there and welcome, it is lovely to "meet" you now that you have appeared from behind the frogs. I am descended from the William Edlin born @1777 but died in Croxton Kerrial 1849. He may be the one you mention in your post. Any new info is always welcome. Did you see my previous post where a John Borras of Gt Gonerby married an Edlin?
My mum has memories of being told there were Edlin relatives over the border but has no recollections of meeting them. I have a photo of two women thought to be Edlin cousins from the Grantham area. I am not an expert at interpreting dates from clothes but it may be around the 50s or 40s. I dont know if you live locally still or have family who may recognise them but if you wish I will get my hubby to scan it here.
Look forward to continuing contact with you,
Best wishes Heather
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From some census information received from MIDMUM this morning we have concluded that
William Ebenezer Edlin (of Eaton) was one of the three sons of Robert and Mary Edlin of Denton, baptised 11 Dec 1798 Denton Lincs, married Susannah Attiwell (born 1901 Foston Lincs) at Stonesby 9 Apr 1823.
This is the father of the New Zealand dynasty of three brothers and would seem to break any immediate link between him and the family of William born 1777 of Croxton Kerrial.
I will put more details on this thread when I have sorted it all out.
David
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Treat this as a stalking horse rather than fact but I think the family now looks like this.
Robert Edlin born c1770 married Mary Backler 1793 at Croxton Kerrial, where he was buried April 1850 age 80, living with son John in 1841 at Saltby 2 miles from Croxton Kerrial. Children:
John Edlin born 1794 Denton a cordwainer married (1) Maria died Saltby Leic 1849 (2) Ann born Saltby 1790 died Saltby 1873.
Robert Edlin born 1796 Denton married Ann (Is this Ann Platt?)
William Ebenezer Edlin born Dec 1798 Denton married Susannah Attiwell father of the three brothers who went to New Zealand
Edward Edlin born Croxton Kerrial 1809. This is the ancestor of the bicycle maker.
Thomas Edlin born 1815 Croxton Kerrial
Please pull it to pieces,
David
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Hi,
I've just spent two or three hours looking through my Lincolnshire Marriage Indexes for a marriage between Robert EDLIN and Mary and couldn't find one. But the marriage between Robert EDLIN and Mary BACKLER would fit perfectly.
One small criticism - where does the name Ebenezer come from? If he is the William baptised in Denton then he acquired the name afterward. The entry in Denton register is just for William son of Robert and Mary EDLIN.
Now I can add something Robert (the father) was baptised at Denton 17 September 1769 the eldest of five children, William baptised 2 September 1777 was his brother. Their parents were Robert EDLIN and Sarah HUTCHIN married at Denton 15 December 1768
midmum, thanks for the offer but I don't think I can help with the photograph my EDLIN ancestors are too distant. Elizabeth, the one that married into my STORER family died in 1884. I saw the marriage you posted between John BORRAS and Eleanor EDLING 1821. It is possible that she is the youngest daughter of Bartholomew EDLIN, if so she was baptised at Great Gonerby in 1796.
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The "Ebenezer" occurs in some of the New Zealand families which link back to him. Looking at my various notes I can't find anything to substantiate it but I will look deeper. I have a feeling it occurs with one of the baptisms on the IGI.
David
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Hello,
I had reached some similar conclusions David. I also wondered if if Robert Edlin and Mary Backlers son Thomas, (bapt 1815 )had married Jane Grey at Hose 9 Jane 1837. There is a Thomas and Jane Edlin at Croxton 1881 with grandson William who appear to tie up with regard to place of birth.
Also in 1871 is a William Adlin ? poss spelling error living in Redmile born Stoke Rochford, Lincs living with wife Elizabeth and daur Mary E. both born Croxton Kerrial. If we assume it is a spelling error then the Lincs connection becomes more evident.
I also realised that I hadn't "killed off " William and Jane Edlin died 1849 having just relied on their headstone info. Searched for their deaths and they are recorded in the Grantham district. Are they ours, who or why were they there? Ordered the certificates last night and will post as soon as I receive them. That would be another Lincs connection.
Ebenezer also runs in my Edlin line, my gran had a brother James Ebenezer but he was always known as Nezer! Will make a note to look into name origins etc.
My brain is starting to ache with all this new info and trying to fit it all together so will go and rest for a bit,
Heather
Census info is Crown Copyright.
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Despite the brain ache which I have also been suffering from we have been reading each others minds as I decided earlier today that Thomas married Jane Gray. I also decided that John Edlin's (1794) second wife was Ann Jackson as she is a widow living with her brother Richard Jackson just before she died in 1881.
I think that I will add the two further generations which MISSPRIM sent me yesterday to my summary document and then send it out to my dozen or so contacts. I know she regards them as tentative but someone will shoot it down if it isn't right.
David
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Hi,
Despite my reservations about the name Ebenezer I think the William EDLIN that I traced down to from his ancestors is the same person that you have traced back to from his descendants. He would appear to have acquired the name Ebenezer during his lifetime.
I know from what has been posted on this thread that there are Methodists in the later EDLIN family. Did William convert to Methodism? If so could he have been given his additional Christian name at his acceptance into the Methodist fold? I know that in the Church of England it is possible to acquire an additional Christian name at confirmation but I don't know enough about Methodism to know what their stance would be on this kind of thing. However given that the Wesley brothers were Church of England ministers I would guess that it would have been quite similar to the C. of E. position around the turn of the 18th/19th century.
I look forward with interest to seeing the amalgamated summary family tree. I think it is good that there is discussion particularly for the more problematic areas of a family line. If this gets passed the scrutiny of our peers there are, I know, other areas further back in the Denton line of the EDLIN family that will require research, discussion and perhaps adjustment.
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Hello,
Things are hotting up and we all have lots to contemplate.
While looking at Edlins in Lincs, as it appears we are from over the border now, I found this:
EDLIN, John labourer of Barrowby / Gt Gonerby tried 16/07/1816 at Kesteven Quarter sessions. His crime was to steal a hog from a William Dorr and he was sentenced to 7 years transportation . He sailed on the "Morley" to New South Wales in 1818.
Wonder what the Methodist Edlins made of that?
Have been checking about the name Ebenezer. It is a Hebrew name and mentioned 3 times in the Bible as well as being made famous by Charles Dickens, Ebenezer Scrooge. It relates to a stone raised by the prophet Samuel in memory of the defeat of the Philistines, Samuel 7:11-12. Very often it is given a meaning of "stone of help" or a "foundation of stone". There is an Ebenezer society in Germany and numerous chapels so named worldwide. There is also a hymn, "Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing" which contains the lines "here I raise mine Ebenezer, hither by thy help...".
What is interesting and would tie in with what Missprim suggested is that it is often seen as a reminder of Gods love and means a fresh beginning. Perhaps William did take it on as part of a fresh beginning. Certainly Methodism was spreading through the district and he may have been "converted" and taken it on then ? Worth considering.
Best wishes Heather
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Thank you for the note about John EDLIN transported in 1816. I knew about him but got my details from a book which did not mention Great Gonerby so didn't make the probable link. Bartholomew and Elizabeth had a son John baptised at Great Gonerby 14 Nov 1784 perhaps it was him! :o I have had a look at the web site Convicts database and noted the source references so that I can have a look at the documents next time I book at table in Lincoln Archive.
In case anyone is interested the book I mentioned is Lincolnshire Convicts to Australia, Bermuda and Gibraltar by C.L. Anderson. It was published in 1993 so may be out of print by now but perhaps a library could obtain a copy.
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I today received an email from Annette in New Zealand. She probably has the best set of records of the New Zealand family. She has no proof of William having formally used the second name Ebenezer and so I guess it can be demoted to being at best a nickname. I have checked my files and it does occur in two independent communications.
Moving on to John who was sent to Australia. Is any more known about him? Did he have a family out there?
If he is the son of Bartholemew and Elizabeth Doubleday can we connect that family. I know MISSPRIM has a line back from Bartholomew which is roughly as follows
Bartholomew Edlin bapt Sep 1750 Honington Lincs
John Edlin bapt Jan 1721 Honington married Jane Kirk
John Edlin bapt May1696 Denton married Anne Schofield
Robert Edlin bapt Jun 1646 Denton married Elizabeth Allett
Robert Edlin bapt May 1614 Denton married Anne Wilson
John Edlin married Margaret.
There must be a very close link with the Denton ancestery we have just established. Any ideas?
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Hi,
Slight correction to the EDLIN line given by 'behind the frogs' - John EDLIN bap 1721 Denton, not Honington. He was buried at Honington 1794. The mistake is entirely mine I must have transposed his places of baptism and burial as I added them to the computer file. :-[ Please accept my apologies for this mistake.
Convicts tend to leave quite a large paper trail. So hopefully we should be able to find out more about John EDLIN convicted of theft in 1816. I have booked a table to be able to look at manuscript documents on Tuesday so should know more about John EDLIN and his crime after that. However there are quite a lot of references so I may have to go back to complete the task another day. Can someone in Australia try to find the ship's indent for John and/or his ticket of leave? There may also be a record of his time in an Australian prison. It is quite likely that one or more of these documents will give information about his close family actually naming them. I have had a look at the NSW official web site but my search only came up with a Mary EDLIN. It would appear that although John was convicted in 1816 he wasn't actually transported until 1818 so he must have been kept in prison in England during that time. Again I might know more about this after my trip to Lincoln Archive.
I will also try to find any newspaper reports of the trial I can. Newspapers are in the library at Lincoln so it looks like I'm in for a busy week.
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Hello, haven't forgotten about all this work we still have to do but lots to do at home.
The name of the witness, Elizabeth Cobley, at William Edlins marriage to Susannah Attwell sent off bells for me as Ada Mary Edlins eldest son Thomas Wright married an Ellen Cobley of Uppingham Rutland. It would prove interesting if there is a link between the families generations on. I will e-mail a contact who may know and get back to you. The other witness at the marriage may be a Robert Edlin. Banns were read for this marriage at Croxton, would that be usual given that the marriage took place at Stonesby?
Missprim ,you may want to look at this before you go to the office, www.lincolnshire.gov.uk/convictsdetails This gives the document references you may need.
Also have a marriage for;
Elizabeth Edlin to John Chapman, East Allington, Lincs. 10 Jan 1806
Bye for now,
Heather
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If the parties to a marriage by banns come from different parishes then the banns have to be called in their home parish. This can be very useful in finding the other parties parish when the register doesn't specify it.
In this particular case the register clearly states that William came from Croxton.
My own banns were called in St Matthews Bayswater where I was living and the Channel Islands where my wife came from and we were married.
The second witness was Robert Edlin. This is clear in the actual register entry of which Annette sent me a copy today.
David
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Hi Midmum,
John CHAPMAN and Elizabeth EDLIN are my 4x great grandparents so I have the details of their marriage. It was by license 10 January 1806 at St James Church, East Allington. John CHAPMAN was a bachelor of the parish of Bottesford, Leics. and Elizabeth EDLIN was of this parish; neither signed their names. The witnesses were Stephen OLIVER and John ROBINSON. The marriage bond gives the additional information that John was a Cordwainer. His sponsor was John ROBINSON of East Allington, farmer. I don’t know if he was a relative.
I have only recently found the 1851 census for John & Elizabeth CHAPMAN. They ended their lives at Denton and are buried there. John was born at East Allington and Elizabeth at Great Gonerby. I haven’t yet had time to begin researching John’s family.
Elizabeth was the daughter of Bartholomew EDLIN and his wife Elizabeth DOUBLEDAY – married at Great Gonerby 23 October 1774. They had 9 children, Mary 1776 (also my 4x gt. grandmother), Samuel 1777, Elizabeth 1779 (wife of John CHAPMAN), Lucy 1782, John 1784, Sarah 1787, Ann 1790, Jane 1793 and Eleanor 1796.
Mary EDLIN married Thomas PETCHELL at Great Gonerby 30 June 1800 – their daughter Lucy married John EDLIN son of John CHAPMAN & Elizabeth EDLIN at West Allington in 1834.
John EDLIN was the twin brother of Lucy EDLIN; they were christened at East Allington 1 December 1805 the children of Elizabeth. She named John CHAPMAN as their father and took him to court for maintenance. There were two hearings but the magistrates never ruled on the case presumably because John and Elizabeth had married and by so doing John had assumed responsibility for the twins.
Further to the business of calling the Banns - I believe that not only do they have to be called at the parish of residence of each party, but if the marriage is to take place at the third church then the banns will be called there too.
Diana
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in reply to:
John Edlin of Barrowby/Great Gonerby ,occupation: Labourer,
crime: stealing a pig, the property of William Dorr of Gonerby, Trial date: 16/7/1818,sentence: 7years and deportation to NSW.aboard the ss.Morley which left The Downs 18/7/1818. Arrived Sydney 7/11/1818. Trip took 112 days. Capt. Robert R Brown. On board 163 males
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Hi,
I spent three hours in Lincoln Archive this afternoon looking at the surviving documentation for John EDLIN’S appearance in court. The actual documents in the Session File are mostly quite crumpled and dirty. The Session Minute Book is a huge tome written in very clear copperplate handwriting – obviously a fair copy of some of the other documents.
It seems John EDLIN’S crime took place at Barrowby on 27th December 1815. He was committed for trial on the 30th May 1816 (possibly at Spilsby) and tried at the Quarter Sessions at Folkingham on the 16th July 1816. There he was found guilty of stealing a hog pig from Mr DORR, a farmer, at Barrowby who was prosecutor at the trial. Others giving evidence were Joseph BULLIMORE, Thomas WHITE(?), John RUSHTON Senr., and George WILLOWS; I think these men might all have been witnesses for the prosecution. I couldn’t find anything specifically about the defence nor could I find any account of the evidence for either side. John was ordered to be returned to the House of Correction at Folkingham and then transferred to the gaol in Lincoln Castle until he could be transported. There is one more reference that I still have to look at and I suspect that will be an account of his committal hearing which is where the magistrates would decide that there was a case to be answered.
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In one of the early posts on this thread I said that the descendents of Edward Edlin (1809) were Methodist Preachers. I have just discovered that Edward was living for a period in Leicester in 1861 and was described as an Agricultural Labourer and Wesleyan Methodist Preacher.
The family were obviously not just Ag Labs because his children were the bicycle makers and founded the Leicester Coal Merchants.
David
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Hi they were also blacksmiths, this would involve some degree of skill and may have paved the way to bicycle manufacture.
Heather
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You are right. Robert(1865) another Methodist Preacher son of Edward was a blacksmith in 1861 and a bicycle maker in 1881. He was the first of the bicycle makers in the family and it was his son William who built the first bicycle to be fitted with pneumatic tyres for John Dunlop.
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Hi,
I'm in Lincoln. I have just come out of the Archive. The last documentary source listed on the Convicts Database tells us that John EDLIN was still in Lincoln Gaol 4th January 1817.
If anyone wants the verbatim Quarter Sessions minutes for his case and my other notes please send me a P. M. Please be patient if you don't get a quick reply my computer went down on Friday - hoping to have it put right on Monday:)
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SUSPICE has just sent me copies of two letters from his archives, one of which contains as interesting family rumour which it would be useful to substantiate.
George Edlin who emigrated to New Zealand in 1856 was said to have been a gardener for the 5th Duke of Rutland at Belvoir Castle Grantham. He was also rumoured to be a dab hand at poaching which contributed to his hasty departure from the UK.
Has anyone any thoughts on this one?
David
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Hello,
John has also sent me this info and I wondered if there were records kept of staff at the castle. Have started to look but not turned anything up. The castle opens again in April so I think I will take my children for a visit! If George had been caught poaching I am sure there would have been some records of arrest / punishment as seen for the John Edlin. In those days you could be hung for stealing sheep so to poach even hares must have been risky. I recall some article in the family tree mag and will try to locate it for suggestions. Maybe emigration may have been a more seemly alternative! The Dukes appear to have been a fairly decent lot and took care of many staff and ex soldiers so they may hve prefered this option. I was so sure I was descended from a thoroughly decent family but maybe not?
Heather
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There is also a reference to Belvoir Castle in the book written by Lester Edlin.
As soon as I return to Brisbane I will look up and send the relevant info. to you
and David. Kindest regards John
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Hi John,
my curiosity is piqued, can't wait until you return and let us know what book and who Lester edlin is!
Have a good trip and drive carefully.
Heather
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Any relation to a Goodthia Adcock 1690c who married Moses Juxon Tamworth, Leics.area
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John Edlin the convict was given his freedom certificate in NSW in 1823
http://www.genseek.net/scons23c.htm
is a useful site for this information.
CROMWELL I am confused as to why you think you might have an Edlin link. Tamworth is in Warwickshire a long way from the eastern end of Liecestershire where most of our activity was in the 17th century. Do you know something about the Egglington part of your tree which suggests that they used Edlin as an Alias. There have been cases of that in Berkshire?
David
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I am as Confused as you as it should have gone into the another name on the site
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Hi All! Back from Sydney safe and sound ! As promised I have looked up the reference to Belvoir. From " The Edlins" compiled by Lester L Edlin ,1978 . Page 13 , paragraph 2 reads : " The Leicestershire Edlins of the village Croxton-Kerrial.They have been there since 1196. Descended from Richard Fitz Edeline who became a Freeman of the City of Leicestershire in 1196. One of this line invented the pneumatic tire and was a partner of Dunlop and Sinclair of rubber and oil fame. One of this line saved the life of the Duke of Rutland at the Battle of Waterloo, hence on the same day.This is deplicted in an oil painting in the hall of Belvoir Castle. In gratitude, anyone bearing the name of Edlin may appear at the Castle on Christmas day, demand and will receive one barrel of beer." Well that is a mouthfull, what do you all think ! Kindest regards John
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Some time ago I had some correspondence about the freeman of Leicester with the person who runs the register nowadays, and we concluded that there was no proof that any of his descendants adopted the Edlin surname. What is also interesting is whether he was actually a descendant of William FitzEdlin, thus providing the link to medieval family and the "saga" which goes back to the year dot.
Does anyone have any leads as who it was who saved the Duke of Rutland at Waterloo and where he fits into the family?
Do you think we should send some of our Edlins to the castle next Christmas to claim their barrels? It looks like the basis of a massive New Year Party.
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Hello and welcome back, hope you had a good trip. That was worth waiting for! I am going to the Castle at Easter, (it reopens 1st April but hope thisn't a prank). I will take a good look at the paintings etc and see what I can glean. I am a bit miffed as I live the nearest yet don't bear the name Edlin, however I am willing to be Johns representative for the beer collection. I have not been able to locate any records for staff as yet but have been busy with visiting family. They may be at Lincoln. Having visited Croxton I am surprised at the lack of mention of Edlins locally if what Lester Edlin says is true ie that they were there since 1196. How does he justify this claim? Are there any references he provides that we could check up?
Finally received William and Janes death certificates today, registered in Grantham due to boundary changes but both died in Croxton kerrial. William described as a grocer and died of heart disease and related illness whilst Jane died of TB. Thomas registered Williams death and in 1851 he was the grocer in Croxton so obviously took over the family business. Sarah registered Janes death.
I will go do some trawling of the net now but for long as on-call
Best wishes Heather
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Can someone please remind me where the name Wortley came into our tree and also do the names adeliza and de Albine or d'albine mean anything to those of you who have early info on edlin names / derivatives?
Heather
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Hi Midmum, thankyou for your welcome. I will send to you and David the relavant pages in the Edlin Book. He also lists references. But as David has
said for the past two or three years we need definate proof. A great deal has been discussed over the " De Burghs " and the Fitz Audelins", unfortunately the camps are failing to research deeper into the matter, and settle once and for all. Perhaps it is due to lack of available rolls etc. But I believe that this, in time ,will be rectified. Kindest regards
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Hi Midmum again. Ann Wortley married George Robert Edlin and they immigrated to NewZealand In 1856. Note: The Wortley family was well known in Yorkshire at the same circa as Fitz Audelin.
Kindest regards, John
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Assuming that William de Burgh who died in Ireland in 1205 and William Fitz Edlin de Burgh died in the Holy Land in 1202 are correctly identified and the latter is the one who was Lord Deputy of Ireland and Sheriff of Cumberland amongst many other titles:
Then he had two sons Richard who lived in Shropshire and William, each of whom in turn had two sons Richard and William. It is possible that one of these Richards is the Richard FitzEdlin who was freeman of Leicester in 1196 but the dates are very tight. However for this to happen they would have to have been using FitzEdlin as a surname like we use it today. My feeling is that this is all speculation and probably not relevant.
The reference to William Edelm in the 1296 Rutland Lay Subsidy is probably the first possible reference to the Edlin name in the area and we probably have to move on another hundred years to be certain.
David
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The name Adeliza vaguely fits with the very early Edlin history in a number of ways. I can find out nothing about the other two variants.
Change the spelling to Adelina and this is according the one of the stories the origin of the person named Edelin (Audlin, Audelin, Edlin) fitz John de Burgh, father of William Fitz Edlin was that he was named after a nun of that name who was cannonised. She was a grand daughter of John of Boulogne who was an ancestor of William Fitz Edlin.
William the conqueror had a daughter Adeliza who was also a nun.
Adeliza de Lourain was the second wife of Henry I
Adeliza of Normandy (1029) married Enguerand III of Ponthieu. The earlier dukes of Ponthieu figure in the suposed ancestory of William Fitz Edlin (baptised Willemo fillius Hadelinus) as the Dukes of Bolougne were descended from them.
George Manners MP for Cambridge in the 19th century who was related to the Duke of Rutland (family name Manners) married an Adeliza.
David
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Hello and thanks for the reply. Sorry I didn't explain why I asked. Anyway I was looking at the tree for the Manners family and in particular the 5th Duke. His second daughter was an Emmeline Charlotte Elizabeth (died 1855), she married Hon. Charles Stuart Wortley. I remembered the name as on our tree. As this was the time that a George was apparently at the castle as a gardener and a George married an Ann Wortley could this be a further connection?
Nottingham university library has some papers relating to the estate and staff of the 5th Duke so I will try and access them.
The Dukes also hold the title of the Barony of de Roos and they acquired Belvior through Isabel the daughter and heiress of William d'Albini of Belvior. I came across lots of d'Albini in the area and wondered again if this was later altered to Edlin? Sort of similar. There was an Adeliza Gertrude Elizabeth b1810 to William de Albin.
I realise this all probably wide of the mark but welcomed any thoughts on it.
Now I have another strange twist of fate to tell you. I rang my mum earlier to tell her about the Edlin tale and the beer and we have arranged to visit the castle at Easter. Then about one hour later she called me back to say she had been contacted to say she has won a family ticket for admission to the castle and a bottle of champagne! That has to be better than beer doesn't it.
Will make sure we drink to your good health.
Best wishes Heather.
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If you think it is worth pursuing the d'Albini theory it might be worth looking at the D'Albini and the Manning Coat of Arms while you are visiting. If they did inherit Belvoir through that marriage then I would have expected the two CofA to have been quartered by the next generation, with the d'Albini arms top left and bottom right.(from behind i.e. the shield bearers view) The d'Albini Arms might give a clue and also the crest on the helmet that they used.
Prior to that the Mannings presumably occupied their Derbyshire residence. I have forgotten where it was for the minute.
David
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Hi Midmum, well isn't your Mum a clever one !! Now you can all visit the Castle in style - good for you. Do you want further extracts from Lester Edlin ?
Kindest regards, John
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Hello!
I am afraid I am lost by the descriptions of coats of arms. I will certainly look them up and pass them on as they will probably mean nothing to me, I hadn't realised that marriages were incorporated into them.
John, I would LOVE to have more from Lester, especially if there are more such juicy gems to check out and maybe hint at connections with the grand nobility. I really hope that the picture exists because the face of an Edlin that far back would be great.
Best wishes Heather
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Hello again,
this site mentions the Manners family and their crests and coats of arms etc
www.electricscotland.com
It describes how George Manners became the Baron de Roos, the highest rank and married King Edward IV daughter Anne Plantatagenet.
Isabel d'Albine (b@1224) married Sir Robert de Ros. She was the only daughter of William d'Albini (b@1192 at Belvior)and Albreda de Bissit.
William had a younger sibling named Odinel. Their parents were William d'Albini and Margery de Umfraville. Their grandfather was also a William b@1128 at Belvior son of Queen Adeliza of Louvain.
Belvior figures a lot in this family and it is through Isabel that came into the de Ro(o)s family and thence the Duke of Rutlands.
Unsure whether all this matters!! Will let you decide.
Heather
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At the risk of boring you about coats of arms, you can almost draw a family tree from them, particularly if you have a number of generations showing the differences. Starting from the top:
The crest on top of the helmet usually comes from the most powerful family down the male or female line.
The type of helmet shows you the rank of the person e.g. Duke or Gentleman
The shape of the shield shows you whether they are male, a single or widowed female(a lozenge), a member of the clergy (oval) etc.
They are always described from behind i.e. the shield bearer's view.
When marrying a woman whose father is entitled to arms the two shields are made into one side by side with the woman's on the left. If the father dies and she is the heiress then her arms are moved to a small shield in the centre of her husband's Only in this latter case on inheriting the eldest son will quarter the two shields otherwise he will inherit the father's original shield and his mother's shield disappears.
It gets more complicated when you start to consider the younger sons and sons before the death of the father.
David
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I think I am being a bit thick Heather. Where did you find that information on that site.
What I have found is that the Manners were related to the new leader of the Liberal Party!!!
David
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Sorry David,
you're not being thick, the site is a bit difficult to find thingsand I should have been more exact..
Try: www.electricscotland.com/webclans/m/menzies.pdf
the bit re the coa is on page 23
I also think the bit about Adeliza of Louvain is incorrect, I have got all the d'albini s and d'aubigny s mixed up though there may be a connection.
The William d'Albini is actually a grandson of William "the briton" d'Aubigny, by his marriage to Maud de St Liz. William "The Briton" d'Aubigny was born @ 1128 at Belvoir. In turn his parents were William Princera d'Aubigny and Cecily de Bigod of Belvoir.
Bigod is still around as a name I believe.
I am not quite sure how I got onto all this and whether it serves to prove a connection to George Edlin but it has been interesting nonetheless!
Best wishes Heather
PS wonder if David Cameron has any Edlins on his tree?
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If I am reading your link correctly then the current Rutland Arms are the old French (Fleur de Lis) and old English (lions) quartered over the Menzies gold and blue stripes.
The crest seems from other sources to be a peacock.
If that is correct then the derivation of the shield is clear and we are not going to find anything interesting there. I don't know anything about origin of the peacock crest but again I don't see any connection.
I think we should abandon the idea of any family connection and just try to find out about the battle of Waterloo painting and which ancestor is actually in it. Also which Edlins actually worked at Belvoir.
It might also be interesting to look for any Edlins around Haddon Hall in Derbyshire (if I have the right place).
What I do find interesting about the arms is that it is possible to derive the Menzies and Royal connection from them. By looking back at the royal arms it is probably possible to confirm when that marriage took place.
Another red herring
http://www.rutlandarmsbakewell.com/history.htm
It seems that Rutland Arms' cook invented the Bakewell Tart.
David
David
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Hello everyone,
Have sent you all an e-mail with some marriages on.
Haven't looked at that link for the Bakewell Tart yet. Have had a look around Haddon but not unearthed any Edlins except in Derby in the 1791 Universal British Directory there was a Mrs Edlins Academy for Young Ladies.!
Best wishes Heather
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Hello
Have come across a very interesting site for Edlins in USA.
www.home.houston.rr.com
Has connections to the Middlesex ones.
There is the crest there with the swans as well so I now know where "suspice" fits in but would welcome enlightenment on where "behind the frogs" originates.
Best wishes
Heather
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I am not quite sure in which bit of my origin you are interested. My Edlin connection is through my wife's descent from the Ickenham Edlins. The Maryland family of Edelens seemed to live in two places, often at the same time. They were the city of London and the Harrow and Ruislip area of Middlesex. Ickenham is just down the road from Ruislip but I currently have a gap of about 100 years back from 1765.
If you are looking at a reason for the my choice of handle it is obvious to anyone who knows where I live and so lets them identify me. Alternatively. I could explain that the coat of arms attributed to Satan is three frogs on a red shield. That at least gives you an idea how many frogs are involved.
David
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The link which MIDMUM provided should be:
http://home.houston.rr.com
that is without the www.
It is interesting how much of Crolian Edelen's material appears on Edelen link from that site. For example the coat of arms on this post came directly from him but is replicated on that site.
The nice thing about the link is that it doesn't attempt to recount the story back in England any further generations back. Most USA sites get that story very wrong.
David
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Oops, sorry, you will all now realise that I am not very computer literate but my talents lie in other areas!
It was your handle I was referring to and I am still none the wiser yet according to my professional title I should be very wise. I surmised that John uses suspice from the motto and wondered if your handle had a link to edlins. The term handle reminds me of an old flame who was into CB radio, do people still have them today?
Best wishes
Heather
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Hi! As a newbie to this genealogy stuff (and half an Edlin - see later), I though people might be interested in a few more recent Edlin snippets. This is with encouragement from David!
Firstly, about Robert William, the younger bicycle maker referred at 20.1.2 in David's comprehensive document: I found, through a web-based antiquarian bookshop, a copy of patent no 28,209 (Application 3 June 1910, Accepted 31 Dec 1910) which states:
'I, Robert William Edlin, Managing Director, of Edlin Sinclair, Limited, of 26, Sherlock Street, in the City of Birmingham, do declare the nature of this invention......'
There follows a two page description, and A4-sized diagram, for a metal pannier ('front wheel carrier') for a bicycle, like those that I remember used by local grocer's or baker's delivery boys.
My interest stems from Robert William's brother John, the Worsted Spinner's Clerk from Broughton (b1864/5). He and wife Esther had two children (Henry Fowler EDLIN b1897/8, and Robert Percy EDLIN, b1890/1). By the 1901 census there were no further children.
In a marriage registered in the fourth quarter of 1914, Robert Percy married Rose Annie POUGHER, the eldest child of Arthur Dick POUGHER, a professional cricketer for Leicestershire and England.
I have ordered their marriage certificate, and await it with some interest - because their first child, born 1 May 1915 (interestingly close to the marriage?) was my mother, Winifred May EDLIN. She died in 1996, but had a sister (born c1929) who survives. The family does not, sadly, live in the lap of luxury afforded by the proceeds of the patent on a bicycle pannier.
The upshot of all this is that David can close off one line of the Edlins, although it would appear that many more continue!
My apologies to those whom I may have bored with these ramblings, and I look forward to trying to unravel the intricacies of the bicycle makers' antecedents.
Peter
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Welcome aboard Peter.
The problem is that extra information in this game never closes off lines, it just opens up new doors. A few slightly closer dates for you,
John Edlin was born Q3 1864
Henry Fowler Edlin was born Q1 1888
Robert Percy Edlin was born Q4 1890.
I have just made another contact resulting in some interesting questions about the relations between the Edlins and the Hillams. In particular a suggestion that Thomas Bunney's half sister Mary married William Hillam and not Hallam which I have since confirmed on FreeBMD took place in 1843 (not 1845 as I previously thought).
There was a stray Hillam on one of the census returns which this might help to explain. I think it was a Mary Hillam living with Thomas Bunney's father William but I can't find it. Can any of you help please?
David
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I have managed to dive into my files and I have come up with the following Hillam references which I currently can't put together in any way.
The bits and pieces which I have now recovered are as follows:
1) Mary Edlin’s marriage to William Hillam in 1843
2) Thomas Bunney Edlin’s marriage to Sarah Hillam in 1852
3) A Mary (Hillam) Edlin born April 1841 living with William, Thomas Bunney's father in 1841. (This combines three sources)
4) A Mary Hillam age 9 living with Thomas Bunney Edin in 1851.
I am not really sure whether I even have these last two recorded properly.
David
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Hello Peter and welcome to our Edlin "family",
I can confirm the following:
1. 1851 census for Croxton Kerrial shows, Thomas Bunney Edlin, Head, 24 Grocer.
Sarah Edlin, Sister 33 housekeeper
Mary Jane Hillam, Son,(sic) 9 scholar
2. William Edlin who died 1849 was the grocer in Croxton and so TB must have taken over the business on his death
3.Thomas Bunney Edlin married Sarah Hillam 5 Feb 1852.
4.William Hillam married Mary Edlin 30 May 1843 at Croxton Kerrial
5. In 1841 William Edlin at Croxton with wife jane, Mary 28, Sarah 20, Thomas 14,
Ebenezer 10, Mary 1 month.
Hope this helps,
Best wishes Heather
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Hi from Downunder,
I would just like to thank everyone for all the research they are doing on the Edlin line. I only wish I could be over there to help in some small way. Maybe Mr. LOTTO will be kind to me one day!!!!
I look forward to putting the PC on in the mornings to see what has been posted, as it would be your evenings on that side of the world.
Once again thankyou all so very much.
Annette :)
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Continuing the Mary Jane Hillam or Edlin story.
On freebmd I find Mary Jane Hillam registered Q2 1841 at Grantham (which includes Croxton Kerrial). This birth could have been in April registered in May. No birth of a Mary Edlin.
On the IGI I find the baptism of Mary Jane Edlin at Croxton Kerrial 11 June 1841, mother Mary Edlin, no father named. No baptism of Mary Jane Hillam.
I am coming to the conclusion that there is only one Mary Jane born to Mary Edlin prior to her marriage to William Hillam.
Any thoughts?
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Hello,
welcome Annette and good to have you on board. How do you fit into the Edlin tree? Are you a descendent of one of the three brothers who emmigrated to warmer climes?
David, I am unsure. There was a Mary Edlin 18 Aug 1816 daughter of William Edlin and Mary Ashbourne, married William Hillam 30 May 1843.
IGI also shows a Mary Jane Edlin bapt 1 Mar 1840 Croxton kerrial parents Thomas Edlin and Jane.
Mary Edlin bap 19 Nov 1837 to Edward and Susan Edlin Croxton.
These would need to be cross checked with the parish records. Also looked at the "Ebenezer " Ebenezer William Edlin, bap 28 Mar 1830 to William and Jane Edlin.
Does this help or confuse the matter?
Heather
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I had concluded that the other two Mary's on the IGI were both to William 1798's brothers:
The 1837 one to Edward and Susan Chapman was already on my list
The 1840 one to Thomas and Jane Gray for whom I have no children listed but know that they had a grandson William Odlin in the 1881 census. I am going to chase this one.
Neither of these quite fit age wise or in terms of stated relationships.
David
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Hi David,
The IgI has a George Edlin bap 7 May 1843 to Thomas Edlin and Jane Gray, Croxton
Elizabeth Edlin bap 4 Oct 1846 at Croxton to Thomas Edlin and Jane Gray
Heather
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Hi Heather,
Yes I am a descendant of the second brother Thomas Edlin (1836) & Margaret Mason who arrived in NZ aboard the "Robert Small" in 1860.
Talking of warmer climes we have a lovely warm sunny autumn day here today.
Annette
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Hi Heather,
Do you think the Ann Eliza Edling bapt 28 Oct 1855 is also the child of Thomas and Jane Gray?
My IGI search also revealed another Thomas married to Anne who had a son John 18 Aug 1849 in CK. I can't fit them in anywhere.
David
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Thomas Edlin's family now looks like this:
Thomas Edlin bapt 3 Sep 1815 Croxton Kerial. He married Jane Gray 9 Jan 1837 Hose (she was born in Hose in 1819). In 1881 he was a shepherd and they were living in Turnpike Street Croxton Kerrial with William Odlin age 13 their grandson. In 1891 they are living at 21 Turnpike Street when he is an Agricultural Labourer and she is a monthly nurse. Jane died in Q4 1899 and in 1901 Thomas is living on parish relief. He died in Q4 1906.
Mary Jane Edlin bapt 1 Mar 1840 Croxton Kerial. She married John Burnham Q4 1862
George Edlin bapt 7 May 1843 Croxton Kerial
Elizabeth Edlin bapt 4 Oct 1846 Croxton Kerial. She married William Odlin Q3 1868
Ann Eliza Edlin bapt 28 Oct 1855 Croxton Kerial She married Charles Parks Q1 1879
In her marriage details Ann Eliza drops the "g" from Edling which was in the IGI.
David
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Returning to the Hillam story, the following is totally unconfirmed as these are just IGI extracts but I think the HILLAM family looks as follows:
William Hillam married Sarah Lawrence, Buckminster Leic 4 Dec 1809 Children:
Mary Ann born 15 Oct 1810 bapt 21 Oct 1810 mar Thomas Smith 12 Apr 1831
Elizabeth bapt 1 Aug 1813 mar David Dixon 22 Jul 1839
Priscilla bapt 1 Dec 1816 mar John Chambers 23 Nov 1843
William born 1821 mar Mary EDLIN 30 May 1843
John bapt 30 Jun 1822
Sarah bapt 28 Mar 1824 mar Thomas Bunney EDLIN 5 Feb 1852
William and Mary had the following children:
Harriett Anne bapt 12 May 1844
Priscilla bapt 25 Apr 1847mar William Wilkinson 21 Dec 1869
Paul Cornelius bapt 14 Mar 1850
Caroline Louisa bapt 22 Mar 1857
All the above were at Croxton Kerrial We thus have marriages between Hillam and Edlin brothers and sisters
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Hello David,
Yes I think you are right.
Can I ask if anyone has parents for Martha Todd who married John Edlin in1740? I have a possibility of a Martha Todd bap 3 Mar 1712 d. of Joseph, at Denton. Anyone confirm or refute this please? If this is correct the registers also show a John Todd bap 6 Jul 1707 son of Joseph at Denton.
Glad you are having a nice weather Annette, we still have rain, north easterly winds and a max temp of 9c, bet you're jealous?
Heather
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Hi everyone,
A quick look through Denton register shows the following family:
Marriage
1695 Joseph TODD and Mary OATES Novem 30
Baptisms
1699 Dorothy daughter of Jos: TODD March 3
1703 Mary daughter of Joseph TODD Aprill 4
1705 Hannah daughter of Joseph TODD Februar: 3
1707 John son of Joseph TODD July 6
1711 Martha daughter of Joseph TODD March 1
The dates are as in the register with the beginning of the year being 25th March. Also looked to 1720 for burials but couldn't see any. However the micro fiche is difficult to read in places and this was a quick search.
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Any of you who have surfed the net looking for Edlins will have fallen over and probably cursed Herbert Edlin who wrote books about Forestry.
He was Herbert Leeson Edlin MBE, BSc Edinburgh, MSc Oxford, grandson of Ebenezer Edlin the brother of Thomas Bunney Edlin. His obituary was published in the Times on 31 December 1976.
One more Edlin of note.
David
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Thank you for that, behindthefrogs. I have 'fallen over' Herbert's name several times in library catalogues as well as on the net and wondered if he was a member of the family. He seems to have been a fairly prolific writer of books on his subject.
Now can I ask for a bit of help with the Lincolnshire branch of the family? I have two lines which I think should coalesce at some point the trouble it that I can't decided where that point is!
The two lines are as follows:
John EDLIN = Margaret : Married c1601
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Robert EDLIN (1614-1672) = Anne WILSON (?-1686) : Married 1641 Barrowby
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Robert EDLIN (1647-?) = Elizabeth ALLETT : Married 1676 Stoke Rochford
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Robert EDLIN (1677-1742) = Ann WYLS (?-1739) : Married 1701 Grantham
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John EDLIN (1707-1760) = Martha TODD (1703-1768) : Married 1740 Denton
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Robert EDLIN (1740-1794) = Sarah HUTCHIN (?-1807) : Married 1768 Denton
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Robert EDLIN (1769-1850) = Mary BACKLER : Married 1793 Croxton Kerrial
This you will recognize as the line coming from Leicestershire into Lincolnshire going back through time. The other line is mine.
Robert EDLIN
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John EDLIN (1696-1760) = Ann SCOFFIELD (?-1721) : Married 1720 Denton
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John EDLIN (1721-1794) = Jane KIRK : Married 1747 Little Ponton
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Bartholomew EDLIN (1750-1820) = Elizabeth DOUBLEDAY (1752-1813) : Married 1774 Great Gonerby
(I've deliberately cut this one a bit short because there is a first cousin marriage between two of the grandchildren of Bartholomew and Elizabeth.) I think John's father Robert has to be one of the Roberts near the top of the other line but which one? Is it possible that Robert bap 1677 was married to someone before he married Ann WYLS? Could Robert bap 1647 and Elizabeth ALLETT had a child 20 years after their marriage? Perhaps you would like to ponder this problem and let me know what you all think.
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Thoughts on the link.
Robert 1647.
How old was Elizabeth Allett? She would seem to be around 50!
When did she die?
Did he marry again
Name John is OK because not eldest son
Robert 1677
Why was he called John if he was the eldest son?
As you say you need an earlier marriage
Other thoughts
Was he born out of wedlock to Miss XXXX and actually called John Edlin XXXX and later adopted the surname Edlin.
Did Anne Wyles have a son John before her marriage?
You have no birth dates for Jane and Susan. Could one of them have had a son who was brought up by Robert?
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Hi,
I don't think John EDLIN (bp 1696) was illegitimate. The entry in the baptism register refers to him as "John the son of Robert EDLIN" which implies that he was born to a married couple.
I do have dates of baptism for Jane and Susanna. They were both baptized at Barrowby. Jane on the 18 November 1642 and Susanna on the 20 July 1645 and both are given as "daughter of Robert EDLIN & Ann his wife". (I wish the Denton incumbent had been as informative, I might have found things a bit easier to sort out.)
I can't find a burial for Elizabeth ALLETT. I do have one which has no Christian name dated 30 September 1719. I can't see the writing near the edge of the page but I don't think it is Elizabeth unless it is in a shortened form such as Elizth. or Eliza.
The only baptism in the IGI for an Elizabeth ALLOTT which is within the kind of date frame I would expect and in Lincolnshire is at Alford and would make her 53 when John (1696) was born. I think I need to look at Stoke Rochford registers to see if she was baptized there. It might also be an idea to look for possible wills in the ALLETT family. Can't do anything about it until after Easter now.
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Hello all, sorry for not replying earlier to my enquiry re the Todds but thankyou.
I have been to Belvoir Castle today but could not source the painting. The senior guide had not heard of it and confirmed that the Duke was not at the Battle of Waterloo but his younger brother was. I had taken a letter with me to leave in case of just such an eventuality however the staff could not accept it. They did give me pointers on how to approach the Duke with this enquiry which I shall do.
I decided to drive around the castle afterwards and was struck by the postion of all the villages, they are all situated around the castle and visible from there and also have fairly straight roads between them. We called in at Woolsthorpe cemetery as well and found some very interesting gravestones of the Dukes staff but no Edlins.
It has left me with more questions about how and why they settled there.
If anyone wishes me to look at anything in particular or take a specific photo let me know as I have some time to do so on Sunday.
Best wishes Heather
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Hi again,
just to say that i didn't say I couldn't find any Edlin MIs at Denton but there was a large pile of stones removed to the side. There were Wings and Scoffields though, lots of them, may be yours Diana? Have sent you the ones from Woolsthorpe.
Heather
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Some more bits'n'pieces on more recent Edlins. Ref reply 79; Robert Percy EDLIN (who would, I guess, be 20.1.2.1.1 on David's hostory document) married Rose Annie POUGHER on 25th November 1914 at The parish Church in the Parish of The Martyrs in the County Borough of Leicester. Both bride and groom gave their address as 43 Harrow Road - was this usual, at that time?
Groom's father John (who would be 20.1.2.1) was a Yarn Agent; groom was a Dyer. Interestingly, this event was a mere 5 months before their first child (my mother) was born.
Which leads me to a couple of questions on the family chart:
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OK, sorry, finger trouble. Inadvertant posting of last comment. Should have continued:
* Robert Edlin (21 - b 9 Feb 1740) appears to be out of wedlock, as father John (b 8 Feb 1707) married Martha Todd in April 1740. Am I interpeting correctly?
* 20.1 has Edward EDLIN (b 2 Feb 1809) marrying Susannah Chapman from Pickwell in Lincolnshire. I can only find a Pickwell in Leicestershire, not too far from the Croxton Kerrial area. can someone clarify the source for her?
Many thanks, and intending to post this time!
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1) You have forgotten that back in 1740 the year started at the end of March and so Feb 1740 is ten months after April 1840.
2) Pickwell Lincs may well just be an error. I am confused when I try to chase that entry.
3) The addresses in Harrow Road may well have been a convenience for one or both of them so that they only had to pay for banns to be called in one church. This was fairly common.
David
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Hi,
The date of the marriage between Robert EDLIN and Martha TODD 7 April 1740 is actually ten months before the christening of their son Robert 9 February 1740. The dates are as they were written in the parish register and so are according to the Julian Calendar which had the 25 March as the first day of the year. Sorry to have confused you Paja, but I don't really like double dating, I find it more confusing than coping with the dates as they were wrttten.
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By the way be careful about the numbering of the sections in my document. When I combined the two documents I retained the old numbering and in doing so created two section 20s. I intend to do some minimal renumbering on the second page.
Susannah Chapman was definitely born in Leicestershire according to the 1841 census.
David
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Where in Leics do you have Susannah Chapman born? I only ask, as the IGI has a Susanna Chapman (parents Johannis and Priscillae, no less!) born 16 Nov 1806 at PickWORTH, Lincs, which is only a dozen or so miles from Croxton Kerrial.
Peter
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Hi everyone,
You will remember that Midmum found a marriage entry on her CD of Leicestershire marriages for John BORRAS and Eleanor EDLIN 9 July 1821 at Knipton. This weekend I have finally got round to doing a bit of investigation on this.
There is an Eleanor EDLIN in my family christened at Great Gonerby, Lincolnshire 15 June 1796 the daughter of Bartholomew EDLIN and Elizabeth DOUBLEDAY. On the 1851 census for Great Gonerby I found Eleanor BURROWS aged 54 born Great Gonerby with her husband John aged 56 and two children William 23 and Elina 14. At Great Gonerby in 1861 John and Helena BURROWS both aged 69 (she born at Great Gonerby) with a grandson John aged 12. Eleanor BURROWS was buried at Great Gonerby 7 September 1870 aged 75. I haven’t found a burial for John BURROWS. Subject to a look at the parish registers in Lincoln Archive (which I hope to be able to do tomorrow) I think this is ‘our’ Eleanor EDLIN. John BURROWS was born at either North Kyme or South Kyme so I will check his baptism too.
If you would like me to while I am in Lincoln I can check out the IGI entry Paja has found for the baptism of Susanna CHAPMAN 16 Nov 1806 Pickworth, Lincs.
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Hello all,
have been pondering the question put by Diama re the connection between the two trees.
Could John Edlin(died 1760) have married Ann Scoffield first and then Martha Todd. From the note it appears Ann died the following year, maybe in childbirth? Or do you have info that makes a definite distinction? I note the different birth years for John but ages can change, I mean I am still 21! Also there could have been a John that died whose death we haven't got.
Probably the wrong tack now I have typed it in but will post anyway.
Best wishes Heather
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Hi,
Nice try Midmum but John EDLIN married Anne SCOFFIELD and then someone named Millicent by whom he had three children BUT I have never found the marriage. I have burials for both ladies. Sorry to disappoint!!
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Hi Diana,
worth a try!
Can you let me know what year and where did the Millicent Edlin die, I will have a look and see if I can find out something.
Heather
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Hi Heather,
John & Millicent's children are Mary baptised 10 October 1723, Elizabeth 2 March 1728 and Richard 24 January 1730 all at Denton. Only with the entry for Richard is Millicent's name in the register. Millicent was buried at Denton 3 January 1744
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Hi Diana,
thanks, will have a look and let you know.
Heather
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Hello,
have just had a look through phillimores for Lincs and Leics but no marriage found. There is a note to say that some pages at Denton for the time frame were stuck together. Also thesearch features dont look for mEllicent as a variant. Will keep my eyes open for it.
Heather
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Hi all, with reference to Robert Edlin/Elizabeth Allett, it would not be unreasonable to assume that seven children would be from the same parents.
There appears to be some doubt over John, but if you follow the dates it appears as follows: Elizabeth Allett born c1647, married 1676 age c29, Robert b.1677 ( age c30), Elizabeth b.1679 ( age c32), Richard 1 b.1681 ( age c34), William b1683 ( age c36), Richard 2 b.1686 ( agec39),Jane b. 1688 (agec42), John b.1696(agec50), died 1719 (agec72 ) . kindest regards.
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can anyone fit into the chart the following: John Thomas Edlin b.1862 Leicestershire. Married Sally Eames Harding b. c1858 in Gloostone. They had a daughter, Rose Gertrude Edlin b.1891 Leicestershire, she married James Leonard Seward.
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Hi everyone,
I was in Lincoln Archive again yesterday having a look at wills. I revisited the will of Robert EDLINGE (1672) and have found another one for Richard EDLYNE (1612). This second one was beyond my capabilities for reading secretary hand so I have arranged for a friend to have a look at it and will pass on the detail as soon as possible. I could, however make out some of the names and I am reasonably certain he had sons John (his executor though not the eldest son) Richard and Edward and a married daughter named Grace who was living at Billingborough.
Now to the will I COULD read. Robert EDLINGE of Denton, shepherd. After the usual preamble about leaving his soul to God and his body to be decently buried in the churchyard he bequeaths the house in which he is living to his "dearly beloved wife Ann EDLINGE for the term of her natural life" but if she remarried then the house was to go to his son Robert.
He leaves £5.00 to his daughter Jane QUININGBOROUGH to be paid by son Robert twelve months after the decease or marriage of "my wife Ann". There is also £5.00 left to his other daughter Susanna MARTIN to be paid under the same conditions. If either daughter does not survive to receive her legacy her husband or children then living are to receive it.
Robert made his mark and the witnesses who signed the will are Elizabeth WIGHT and John ANDERSON
There is no executor appointed so I presume Robert thought his son Robert would naturally take on this task nor is Robert mentioned except to receive the house after his mother's death or remarriage and to pay his sisters' legacies If there was any real estate then it must have passed down to son Robert by some other means than the will - which would have been normal practice.
Last night I spent some time looking for marriages for these two daughters but could not find anything. The IGI has some QUININGBOROUGH baptisms at Grantham in the 1600s which are a little late to be Jane's children but might be pointers to her family of marriage.
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It may be completely irrelevant but putting Quiningborough into a2a comes up with a sale of land and two cottages at Swarby and Crofton by Thomas Quiningborough and others in Sept 1649
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Hello,
I have just looked at the registers for Denton and there is no Quiningborough at all. There is a marriage of a Susanna Martin to Richard Lovet 14 May 1664. Will look at the other parishes tomorrow.
Heather
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Hi,
Jane Edlin married Thomas Quinningbrow 2 May 1671 , Grantham
Heather
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Hi again!
Susannah Edlin married John Martin 7 Nov 1671 Grantham
Robert Edlin married Anne Wyler 13 Dec 1701 Grantham
Richard Edling married Elizabeth Elitt 28 July 1728 Grantham
William Edlen married Lucy Moss 2 May 1796 Grantham
Sarah Edlen married Richard Lowe 12 May 1806 Grantham
Heather
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Hi,
Further to Midmum's posting last night. It looks like the Phillimore transcribers had a sightly differnet interpretation of Anne's name in 1701. They have it as "WILER" whereas I (and the Mormon's) transcribed it as "WYLS".
William EDLIN and Lucy MOSS are, I believe, part of my branch of the family. I have census returns for them, baptisms for their children and burials for all. Sadly none of their children seem to have survived into adulthood. William appears to be the son of John EDLIN and Jane KIRK baptised at Honington 11 March 1768. His older brother Bartholomew is my direct ancestor.
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It would appear that the Sarah Edlin who married Richard Lowe could well be the daughter of Robert and Sarah Hutchin. It is interesting that in the 1851 census her nephew John (son of brother Robert) has an apprentice Cordwainer Robert Lowe.
Does anyone have any thoughts about the Richard who married Elizabeth Elitt. It is interesting to contemplate that she might be related to Elizabeth Allett who married Robert Edlin.
One aside about the varying spellings of Edlin I suppose that most of you realize that the "g" after an "n" in those days was silent and just caused the"n" to be harder and thus the last syllable more dominant. To sound the g as we do today in words that end in "ing" they added an extra "e" and so the word was written "inge"
David
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Hi,
In my Lincolnshire FHS index Elizabeth's name is ELLIOTT rather than ELLIT.
I have some MAPLETOFT (parents John & Ann) baptisms at Grantham 1808-1817, John's occupation in the later ones is given as woolcomber. Interesting as I think some of the earlier EDLIN family at Denton may have been weavers.
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hello,
the marriages were all fron the IGI, mo 11242,
Heather
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Hi Midmum
I've just tried your reference number in Familysearch & guess what!? I had three marriages appear John MARTIN & Susana EDLIN and Robt EDLIN & Ann WILER as we already knew but to my surprise there was also
Thomas QUININGBROW & Jane EDLING 2 May 1671 Grantham ;D
Now I will REALLY have to have another look at Grantham registers. :) They were very awkward in my own fiche reader as the pages have been printed sideways on the fiche. It is a lot easier if you have a reader with a large plate so that the fiche can be placed short ends front and back.
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Hello,
I was very surprised to find the qiningbrow marriage because the search engine didn't throw it up, I did a trawl through the batch.
From Phillimores:
Great Gonerby.
Mr Richard Quinborough & Mrs Faith Bayte 15 Nov 1636
Thomas Quininbouro of Grantham & Borothy Kirke of Allington 21 Oct 1703
Have some Edlinson marriages from Addlethorpe as well.
At some point in history wasn't it common for children to take their mothers name as a surname?
Heather
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Hi
There are EDLINGTON baptisms & burials etc. at Denton. Have wondered if the name was used interchangeably with EDLIN.
I have some HIGGINBOTHAMS (& var.) in Nottinghamshire late 17th and early 18th century who use HIGGINS as though it were the same name.
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It is a distinct possibility that Edling and Edlington were interchanged.
I have a tree for the Berkshire branch where Edling, Edelen and Eggleton were interchanged even by the same members of the family. It took them two generations for at least one branch to change from Edlin to Eggleton between 1750 and 1810
David
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Hello,
I have come across a marriage for an Elizabeth Edlyn and a Robert Burden 17 Feb 1574 at Knipton. This is slightly different to the one on Davids document page 1. But if you look at the info in the will of John Edlynge he mentions an Elizabeth Burday.
Burday and Burden may be the same. Either this means that John and Emma were married or some other relationship between John and Elizabeth. Has any one any thoughts? David would you be able to provide the references for the will so that I might obtain a copy please? Have you updated the document recently?
thanks Heather
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Sorry that list from wills on my first page is something I picked up many years ago and it took me a long time to work out that some of the dates were probably deaths and so the data probably came from wills. I don't have the origin but recorded them because I thought they might be useful.
I suspect that in some of the cases "b" stands for burial rather than birth.
However it does seem possible that you have identified John with wife Emma and that John died first. I am not aware of the will of John to which you are referring and I would be very interested to see a copy. Does he mention a wife? It was unusual in those days for a married woman with a living husband to have a will.
Have you managed to get anywhere with the Richard Edlyne (1612) will that you mentioned previously. I can usually get something out of secretary hand as long as it isn't in latin as well.
David
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Hello David,
I am sorry you haven't got the source for the John Edllyne will on page 1 of your document as it would be useful but I will see what I can unearth. The Richarde edlyne will was being reviewed by Diana not me and I am sure she will let us know when she has interpreted it. You did't say if you had produced a more recent revision to your document which would be interesting. I will see what else I can find out re the Edlingtons.
Heather.
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Sorry I seem to have left my brain behind when I made yesterday's post. I will check my document and then send out an updated copy to everyone over the next few days.
There are one or two issues which have been discussed on this thread which need to be reflected.
Yesterday I hadn't worked out that you were connecting two paragraphs in my document and hence my strange response. Thinking about it I should have a reference to that will somewhere but it isn't in the file where it should be.
David
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Hi everyone,
I have a few more twigs to add to the Lincolnshire branch of the family. I was just wondering if there was anything interesting at Little Ponton apart from the two marriages we already know about. So had a look at the micro-fiche of Little Ponton PR I have here and found two baptisms for the children of Edward EDLIN and Jane KIRK (m 1747) Ann EDLIN born 23 April 1783 baptised 27 April 1783 and Lucy EDLIN baptised 27 November 1791. Looked for but didn't find burials for Edward and Jane before 1812.
Ann EDLIN married John MAPLETOFT at Grantham 23 April 1807 and (from an index) Lucy EDLIN married Robert LLOYD at Little Ponton in 1818. (My fiche only go to 1812!) I've found children's baptisms (IGI) and burials for Robert & Lucy (NBI) + censuses all at Barrowby but will check the PR detail at Lincoln one day later this week.
David - hopefully you will receive an e-mail about Richard EDLYN'S will (1612) sometime tomorrow evening but I can tell you now I think it is looking good!! :) :) :)
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Hi Diana are you sure about those two new baptisms?
I am confused. I thought it was John Edlin who married Jane Kirk in 1747. John was 26 when married and Jane presumably only a few years younger. These were presumably C of E baptisms and so child baptisms which is supported by the dates of their marriages.
That would mean Jane had these two children ar the age of 58 and 65. Could it be that their son Edward (1755) married a Jane?
Am I confused or have you found another family?
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Hi David,
Yes I found it confusing at first - John EDLIN (1721-1794) married Jane KIRK 15 Nov 1747 at Little Ponton. Their son Edward EDLIN (1755-????) married Jane KIRK 18 Dec 1780 at Little Ponton. These latter two are the parents of Ann and Lucy. And before anyone asks I couldn't find any other baptisms in between - if there were any children then they were either not baptised or the baptisms took place elswhere.
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Hello,
David, many thanks for the document. I have obtained a will for a John Edlyn (1547) and am currently translating it but may need to ask someone to assist. Will post any info as soon as I have it.
The IGI has a John Edlin son of Thomas and Anne bap 2 Sep 1849 Croxton and gives a birth as 18 Aug 1849. Unsure where he fits in.
1881 census also has Edward Edlin at 31 All Saints Rd Leic, ( next door to William Edlin). His age is 31 and birthplace Croxton. I wondered if this is Edward son of Edward and Susannah but there is 10 year age difference. Married toLucy 33 children Louisa C. 9, Albert E. 6, Edgar L.11m, Arthur LL. 3 all born Leic. Edward was a coal merchant.
1861 census has Sarah Ellen Edlin 17 from Croxton visiting her aunt and uncle Eleanor and William Dolby at Aslackby lincs. Eleanor is from Pickworth and William from Kirby Underwood.
You can also add a son to Thomas Bunney Edlin and Julia Isam, William born 11 Dec 1882 died 3 May 1963 buried Long Clawson. Married a Frances Manchester. Julia Isam died 1934 aged 90.
Back to the will I think!
Heather
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Hi,
I've been having a look on the IGI and found Ann PLATTS baptised 4 July 1802 at Rearsby, Leicestershire daughter of John & Elizabeth. When I tried looking for siblings I got John (1811), Elizabeth (1816) Sarah (1819) George Gretton (1830) James (1834 and Amy (1834) so I think there will be at least two families. Perhaps son John also married an Elizabeth. Also found a marriage John PLATTS & Elizabeth CARR at Gaddesby, Leicestershire. Rearsby and Gaddesby are next-door villages. If it all checks out with the parish registers then it looks as though the surmise about the 1822 marriage of John EDLIN & Anne PLATTS is correct.
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Hi Heather
I rechecked the 1881 census and it gives Edward as age 42 but the rest as you have it. This has however raised the query in my mind as to who actually owned the "Edlin & Nutt" Coal Merchants business.
I also can't match the John son of Thomas and Anne anywhere.
Thank you Diane
I am beginning to like the Anne Platts marriage. I presume you meant Robert not John Edlin in the last line of your post
David
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Hi,
I was tired last night - long day - and I think the two John PLATTS sort of took over so yes I did mean Robert EDLIN & Anne PLATTS in the last line of my post.
Will add the PLATTS IGI material to a To-Do list for another trip to Leicester sometime fairly soon. There is something for another family I managed to get completely tangled last time I was there that I would like to sort out properly.
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Hi yes on rechecking his age on one site is42 and another 31!
Back to the will which was incredible to read I have the following:
John Runtons p Harblyn & Grace Edlyne p Denton 24 July 1599
Richard Edlyne & Katherine Cunnans(?) 7 Oct 1575
Heather
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Heather,
If that is the correct marriage for Richard that you have just posted and there is no reason to question it, then William must have been the son of a previous marriage to have been born in 1565.
David
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Hi everyone,
I now have a transcript of the will of Richard EDLYNE of Denton dated 1612. Richard was a weaver by trade.
He mentions his son Edward - lately deceased.
He left his cottage and land at Denton to his youngest son John and his grandson Richard (son of John).
His son-in-law, John Runtance was to keep that portion of [Richard's] goods still remaining in his hands.
His son William and his grandson George (son of William) were to have one shilling each.
His daughter Grace wife of John Runtance of Billingborough was also to have one shilling; and her two sons Richard and John two shillings between them
The residue was to go to John EDLIN who was appointed executor
and Richard's friend William WELBIE was made supervisor to help John with the execution of the will.
If anyone would like a copy of the transcript please send me a PM with your e-mail address.
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Hello everyone, :)
things are becoming very interesting aren't they. The will is fascinating and there should be another one coming soon. Our little group has attracted 1734 looks which is quite a substantial amount of interest. So to those of you just looking with Edlin interests come and introduce yourselves as we would love to meet you and learn from you about your branch of the family especially the more recent family history.
Is anyone there related to the Fred Edlin of haulage fame? Would love to know if you have the papers relating to the sale of the firm and his court case amongst others recorded for him. Recently there has only been myself and two others and I am learning fast so PLEASE join us. Since I started this thread the amount of information shared has been phenomenal and good friends made so come on post now. It would be nice to have an Edlin meet up sometime but we need more than at present.
Look forward to hearing from you ALL
Heather
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Further to my problems with the Edlin coal merchants in Leicester I now have the following thanks to Peter:
In Wrights Directory of Leics & Rutland, 1899: Edward & J Edlin are listed as Coal Merchants, of 15 Soar Lane, 2a Pingle Street and All Saints Road.
The firm of “Edlin and Nutt” Coal Merchants carrying on business at 17, Soar Lane, Leicester, at the time a partnership between Edward Edlin and Farrington Nutt, was dissolved by mutual consent on 1st July 1911. After this the business was carried on by Farrington Nutt who was responsible thereafter for all debts and receipts
I am still confused where Elijah born 1870 son of John (presumably the J above) fits into the business as he did not seem to be involved in the above dissolution. Elijah was of course the father of Frederick who ran the Haulage business mentioned by Heather above.
David
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Has anyone the infomation on Charles Edlin, bap:1828 in Swinderby, Lincs ; married : Elizabeth Weaver . Children : William and Emma Jane
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I have just picked up a new piece of information about Maria born 1827 daughter of William (Ebenezer?) Edlin from a new contact.
She married Henry Burton who was a Farm Bailiff born in Coston in 1823. The narriage was Q2 1847 Melton Mowbray District.
I have a feeling that one of you already has Burtons on their tree.
David
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Hi David,
Maria and Henry had the following children:
Mary Susannah, Ann, James Henry, mary, William, Thomas, George, Frederick. I think she was the daughter of William and Susaannah.
There is also a reference I have picked up of a Charles Edlin born 1843 (Notts) marrying a Martha Paul. Does anyone have further details of this family?
Best wishes Heather.
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I agree that Maria was Susannah's daughter.
Charles was the son of Henry and Catherine Woolhouse. Details of him are as follows. You will see that I have a slightly different birth date but mine will go back to 1844 as it is from a census entry I think.
20.2.3) Charles Edlin born Thurlby 1845 He was married in 1867 at Rotherhithe D to Martha Paul (born c 1846 London Middlesex) A saddler living at 31 Arkwright Street Nottingham St Mary in 1881
Charles Henry Edlin born Nottingham Q4 1871
Elizabeth Ann Edlin born Nottingham Q3 1873. She was married at Nottingham St Saviour on 1 Aug 1896 to William Shephard who was born c 1872 son of Thomas Shephard
Frederick Edlin born Nottingham Q3 1875
Lavina Edlin born Nottingham Q4 1878. She was married at Nottingham St Saviour on 11 Sep 1900 to Charles Auguste Bayard born c !871 in France son of Francois Joseph Bayard.
Minnie Edlin born Nottingham 1882
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Hello Edlin researchers----I have just seen this site, and can add a little bit more information;
Maria Edlin ( born 1823, daughter of William Ebenezer Edlin) was my gg grandmother, married Henry Burton who was a farm bailiff. They had 8 children & according to the 1861 census were living at 7 Low Childerley, Boxworth, Cambridgeshire
Can anybody give me any more information?
---thank you
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Hi TESU welcome to our thread. I think we have already been in touch. If we haven't and you want more Edlin details send me your email address with an EM (click the green scroll to the left of this post).
I came across a certificate of freedom today for a John Edlin issued in 1823 in NSW. The only information that I have is that he went to Australia on the Morley. Does anyone have any claim to him? I can't find himin the Leicestershire lists nor my Ickenham one.
David
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Hi,
The Certificate of Freedom 1823 belongs to John EDLIN baptised 14 November 1784 at Great Gonerby, Lincolnshire son of Barthomolmew EDLIN and Elizabeth DOUBLEDAY. He was sentenced to seven years transportation at Kesteven Quarter Sessions (Summer 1816) for stealing a pig from William DORR of Barrowby.
Missprim
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The recent availability off the London Gazette on-line from 1772 contains some interesting bankruptcies.
You can follow the process for a number of the Cycle and Tyre Manufacturers including Jehu Edlin, Robert William Edlin (his Birmingham Business), Robert Edlin.
Also Henry Robert Edlin Station Master of Solihull in 1864 who I can't trace.
Does anyone know anything about Edward Holberton Edlin, Surgeon of Plymouth. He appears to have been assistant surgeon to the 15th Lincolnshire Rifle voluteers in 1867 before he went to Plymouth. There is also information about what appears to be his wife Jane's will and his bankruptcy in 1892.
David
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Hi,
I think I know of his son who was Edward Frederick Hoberton EDLIN. He was born at Bourne, Lincolnshire 2 July 1866 and went to Plymouth College and Rugby. He later went to Christ's College Cambridge and became a solicitor in 1890. In 1893 went to Singapore to join the firm of Drew and Napier as an assistant becoming a partner in 1903. He served on the Straits Settlement Opium Committee 1907-08. He died in 1913.
This potted history comes from Alumni Cantabrigiensis Part II vol II page 385
Missprim
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hi, (34 Victoria Crescent), have I found you?
Sue
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yes!!! have replied personally.
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My name is Michael Peter Edlin. My father is Edward Cecil Elliot Edlin. My grandfather is Edward Frederic Holberton Edlin and great grandfather is Edward Colsil Edlin. I believe that Sir Peter Henry Edlin is the brother of Edward Frederic Edlin. I'm trying to find out if I have any cousins from this line and where they are generally located. Would appreciate any help and information.
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Hi Kookie,
Welcome to rootschat and our Edlin group.
We have been unable to link this branch of the family into any of our other Edlin lines. The Coat of Arms used by Sir Peter Edlin is derived from that used in the 15th century by Edlin family in Aldenham Herts and from them by the Edelen branch in the USA. I contacted the College of Arms some time ago to obtain a copy of the pedigree that supported that grant but they required an extortionate fee.
The indication is that they were part of the Middlesex family rather than the Leics branch. If you PM me with your email address (click the green scroll to the left of this reply) I can send you more details of this group.
David
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I am confused as to who was the father of Edward Frederick Holberton Edlin.
We previously thought that it was Edward Holberton Edlin born in India in 1840. This date would be consistent with the latter being the brother of Sir Peter and thus Edward Frederick being Edward Colshill's grandson.
The birth in India however worries me because Edward Colshill and his father Edward seem to have run their New Bond Street toy and library business continuously over the period.
David
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Hi Michael,
if you would like to send me a private message I have some information that you will find interesting and some family papers.
Heather
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I'm a newcomer here, having found the site while googling on Edlins, being one myself and descended somehow from the Leicester branch.
Have found wonderful write up and pics of "the brothers Edward and Thomas Edlin, aged respectively 93 and 86 years" in the Methodist Recorder of October 30th 1902 (page 11). According to the text, Edward was born in Croxton Kerrial on Feb 3rd 1809, and worked on the Duke of Rutland's estate - Belvoir Castle - for 59 years, retiring at 80. He was a prominent Methodist local preacher. No mention of a wife; guess he was a widower, living with "his children, his niece, Mrs Smith, and her husband".
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Should have added that Herbert Leeson Edlin was publications officer for the Forestry Commission for many years, hence the large number of popular and specialist forestry books by him. There was another distinguished Edlin from this branch in modern times, a Harold Edlin who was a forensic scientist after the second world war.
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Welcome to Rootschat and our Edlin thread.
Edward and Thomas were both widowers. Edward's wife Susannah Chapman died in April 1885 and Thomas's wife Jane Gray in 1899.
Where do you fit into the family?
If you would like me to send you more details of this branch of the Edlins please send me your email address in a private message (click on the green scroll to the left of this reply)
David
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I've now found out from the information kindly supplied. My Grandfather was William Edlin b 1882, youngest son of Thomas Bunney Edlin. He marrried Frances Spencer and they had 2 children, Margaret (m Gordon Atkinson, 4 sons, still living in Willoughby on the Wolds) and my late Father Derek. Quite surprised to find on reading the Leics Edlins how the names of my siblings seem to have been taken from our forbears. We are (in order of birth) Robert William, John David, Margaret Elizabeth, Rosemary Anne and Timothy Mark.
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Returning to the line of Sir Peter Edlin and Edward Holburton Edlin. See the following site:
http://indiafamily.bl.uk/UI/
Edward Edlin was born 19 Dec 1814 son of Edward Colshill Edlin and Sophia Clifford. He was bapt 31 Jul 1819 St Georges Hanover Square. He married Mary Jane ___ and was a surgeon in the Bengal Medical Service. He died 6 Apr 1850.
Sir Peter Edlin was thus the uncle of Edward Holburton Edlin
David
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Have been checking about the name Ebenezer. It is a Hebrew name and mentioned 3 times in the Bible as well as being made famous by Charles Dickens, Ebenezer Scrooge. It relates to a stone raised by the prophet Samuel in memory of the defeat of the Philistines, Samuel 7:11-12. Very often it is given a meaning of "stone of help" or a "foundation of stone". There is an Ebenezer society in Germany and numerous chapels so named worldwide. There is also a hymn, "Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing" which contains the lines "here I raise mine Ebenezer, hither by thy help...".
If I may continue this digression briefly, there is also the wonderful Welsh hymn tune Ebenzer with the unique and haunting triplet rhythm in a minor key. It used to be used for a wonderful hymn beginning "Who is this with garments gory". See http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/w/i/t/witwgory.htm
Rob
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Have been checking about the name Ebenezer. It is a Hebrew name and mentioned 3 times in the Bible as well as being made famous by Charles Dickens, Ebenezer Scrooge. It relates to a stone raised by the prophet Samuel in memory of the defeat of the Philistines, Samuel 7:11-12. Very often it is given a meaning of "stone of help" or a "foundation of stone". There is an Ebenezer society in Germany and numerous chapels so named worldwide. There is also a hymn, "Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing" which contains the lines "here I raise mine Ebenezer, hither by thy help...".
If I may continue this digression briefly, there is also the wonderful Welsh hymn tune Ebenzer with the unique and haunting triplet rhythm in a minor key. It used to be used for a wonderful hymn beginning "Who is this with garments gory". See http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/w/i/t/witwgory.htm
Rob
"Come thou fount of every blessing" was I believe the original hymn for which Thomas John Williams composed the tune "Ebenezer" around the beginning of the last century. They certainly still used together today in some traditional non-conformist churches.
David
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I am looking for some information on a George Edlin whom married a Elizabeth fountain in Lincoln back in 1760, I am of the belief that he is the brother of Henry Edlin of the notts Edlin's that i have been looking into but have researched their roots back into lincolnshire (conningsby).
Have had a reply back from David who believes George may have a connection in London?? But was wondering if anyone has come across the above during there research.
Cheers, John
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Ignore my London remark. I made that before you mentioned the Lincolnshire connection. Although there are links between the Notts Edlins and Lincolnshire and the Leicestershire Edlins and Lincolnshire I don't think anyone has yet managed to link the two groups.
However there is a suffient number people interested in this name for a few clues to be sufficient to make this step.
David
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David,
Hopefully soon we may be able to link the Edlin's together, I have managed to trace the notts Edlin's back to conningsby with some help. :)
So yes it would be nice to link all the Edlin's of the midlands together.
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I am working on a project to locate, and photographicall record what remains of locations that have had a military connection during the 20th Century across the UK.
I have come across reference to a Fred Elins Garage which was at Blaby Wharf in Leicester and during 1940 to 1945 I belive the garage was taken over by the RAF to repair and salvage crashed and damaged aircraft.
If anybody havs any information about the garage or Fred Elins I would be pleased to hear from them.
Thanks
Jeremy
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I came across the following quote in: "Whetstone Lane Lock." (from My Page Two by Tim Airey)
On the right Fred Edlin operated a heavy haulage firm before the war (and, for a short time, after). During the war the complex of sheds and garages was taken over by the R.A.F. and became known as the M.U. (maintenance unit). Soon a mountain of crashed aircraft grew, wings fuselages etc.; presumably the unit's job was to cannibalize them for spares.
The business was sold to Pickfords some time after the war. If my memory serves me correctly this in fact was part of the nationalisation of the heavy haulage industry at this time which engulfed many family businesses.
Frederick Alfred Edlin was I think born 1899 son of Elijah Edlin who at one time owned Edlin and Nutt Coal Merchants although I have not managed to precisely sort out who owned what in this coal merchant dynasty.
David
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Hi,
Just having a look for Edlins on PC and seen your entry. My dad worked for Edlins of Blaby at the age of 15 and learnt to drive in their Scammell low loader, registration number ABC 11, he also drove an ERF & trailor CJU 364. Dad then had a break whilst he served in the Navy and returned again in 1947 where he stayed until the end of '49'. He also has some newspaper clippings of Edlins lorries etc.
regards
Bev
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Please could anybody tell me where i can purchase a copy of " grandfather Edlin and the pneumatic tyre" booklet by Robert Wilfrid Edlin{bob}? Or the Lester Edlins?
I'm quite new to the family tree game
Hope someone out there can help
lulubaby
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I believe the correct title and the reference for the booklet is:
GB 0152 MSS.328/N42 Title "The Story of Robert William Edlin and the Pneumatic Tyre" 1992 Robert Wilfred Edlin.
Unless Robert published more than one booklet.
David
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Thank you David , do you know if it is still available? I would like to get hold of a copy if possible, will have to see if i can order it
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I don't know if you can still purchase it, but if you google the title you will find lots of places (libraries) which hold copies.
David
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For further information on the Edlin/Dunlop situation, please refer to
http://cyclinghistory.blogspot.com/2009/01/dunlops-pneumatic-tyre-leicester.html
I'm not sure whether the information in this article is taken from the Robert Wilfred Edlin book or not, but I have had no success in exploring further with the blogger.
Hope this helps,
Peter
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Thanks to both of you, will try & see how i get on.
Pam
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I have recently extended the line from John Edlin (1580) back as follows:
Richard 1544 married Catherine Cunnans (born 1553)
John 1513 possibly married Emma
William 1490
Does anyone have any views on this?