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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Down => Topic started by: Ninatoo on Sunday 05 February 06 02:12 GMT (UK)
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Hi all,
I am searching for the names below Co. Down, particularly in Ballyroney area.
I have Thomas CARSON b. 1851 who married Elizabeth CROMBIE in January 1873 at Rathfriland, Ballyroney, Co. Down. This couple moved to Ayrshire Scotland in 1873 before their first child William was born in November of the same year.
Thomas' father was John CARSON, whose father was also John, mother unknown. Mother was Mary HYSLOP or HISLOP Her parents were William Hyslop and Ellen O'Hara or o' Hare. John and Mary also ended up in Scotland by 1881 and died in Ayr.
Elizabeth's parents were James Crombie and Margaret McCulloch who married in Drumballyroney according to the IGI in 1846.
Family rumour says that the Carson family were well to do and had owned land - even a race course - in Ireland but I cannot find a reference to it. That they were doing well when they arrived in Scotland is evident as they lived in a very nice area of Irvine.
I would appreciate any information regarding these names.
Thanks for reading!
Nina
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Nina
There was a racecourse at Bavan near Ballyroney. May have leads on some of those families.
Sean
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Thanks for that belfirle,
I tried some reserch via google, but didn't find anything of note...but I will keep this in mind for future research.
Nina
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I think I might be able to assist on the Carson side. I'm a carson in Canada & my Carson's came from Clydebank, via Govan, via Ayr (Irvine, Dundonald) to John in Ayr who originated along with his wife Mary Haslett (aka Hazlett/Hyslop/Hislop) from Ireland
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Hi Carson,
Sorry to butt in ,
what part of Canada did your Carson's settle. Oonagh.
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Toronto, Ontario
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Hi Carson,
Yes this is the same family! Since writing this post back in February I have found out quite a lot of sideways information about my Carson ancestors, but not further back. Who are you descended from?
Nina
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Descended from John Carson (Ireland/Dondonald Scotland) & Mary Haslett (Ireland/Dundonald) via their son William...near as I can tell, William & Thomas were brothers (not sure who exactly was eldest, but I think William when looking at Scottish Census data in Ayr from 1881). At any rate, I found marriage records for John & Mary in Ireland, and it looks like John's father was Thomas, not John, despite what you've indicated and what I saw in John's Scottish Death record...often some of these records are not entirely accurate as other family members may not be familiar with grandparent & ggrandparent first names. Still I'm 95%+ certain that these connections look right, & I'd like to close on the last 5%.
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Wow, there WAS a son William after all! I have 8 known children of John and Mary, no William...I knew there had to be a William in the family somewhere because Thomas named his firstborn after him (firstborn died as a young man).
I think we need to compare some notes. I see you are a new member here. Do you know about private mesages? I would like to send you one to give you my email address (I don't like putting it on the boards)
Nina
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Not familiar with private messages, but I'll hunt around the site
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Hi list ,
Husband had a Carson GRANNIE from Glasgow ....she was Lydia Anne Walker Carson daughter of Nathaniel Carson born in Tyrone ??? or there abouts 1824ish to John Carson and Jane nee Osbourne........Unknown if there were other children ,,, but sure there were.Jane Carson nee Osbourne died Glasgow Lyon street 1872. widow
Nathaniel married Mary Ann Anderson of Bally gally she being the daughter of Samuel Anderson (teacher) and Martha Pattison ....
Known children of Samuel and Martha ,
Elizabeth Anderson Jane Anderson Lydia Anderson .
three of the daughters married ... one a Carson ,one Walker the other unknown name. Nathaniel died in Glasgow 1870 of TB AND Mary Ann died 1871,,,,,, children became paupers and were disposed of by the Glasgow poor laws
they married in Ballygallly 1858 at the Presbyterian Hall in Bally gally.
Any have any links to these folk ?
Martha
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Hi Martha,
Sorry to say none of those names are familiar to me. Good luck with your search!
Nina
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Hi Nina,
There is a civil marriage registration on your Margaret's parents:
On 23 March 1846--James Cromie married Margaret McCullough in Ballyroney Presbyterian Church in the Parish of Drumballyroney, in the district of Banbridge, Co Down
It may be that the person who put on the IGI was from the original church entry.
I think it fits well--however, I do not know your position regarding the spelling of surnames mentioned.
Cheers,
Tees
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Hi again,
Do not know if you are interested in two possible James Cromie deaths:
1) Date of Death: 15 Jun 1885, Probate Date: 1900
2) Date of Death: 20 Oct 1893, Probate Date: 1893
All are in Co Down
Margaret Cromie death?
Date of Death: 16 Mar 1897, Probate date: 1897
in the District of Belfast, Co Antrim/Down
These are from the Wills Calender--you can get some details from them--unfortunately, most of the wills were burnt due to the War of Independence--in Dublin. :(
Cheers,
Tees
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Hi again,
Here is the marriage registration on your Thomas' parents:
On 6 Jun 1850, John Carson married Mary Haslett in Banbridge Civil Registrar Office in the Parish of Seapatrick, in the district of Banbridge, Co Down.
Cheers,
Tees
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Hi Tees,
Thanks for all of that! I am afraid I do not have much time today to reply, (due to a computer bug taking all my time today - I thought I had lost my tree!) but I just wanted to let you know I had seen this wonderful effort, and I will get back to you in a few hours.
Nina
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Hi Tees,
Just clarifying a few details here!
You wrote "On 23 March 1846--James Cromie married Margaret McCullough in Ballyroney Presbyterian Church in the Parish of Drumballyroney, in the district of Banbridge, Co Down" and mentioned it was on the IGI. I can't find the entry with that much detail there, it just says Drumballyroney, Co. Down. Can you point me to it please? I did know they married in Banbridge however, as Carson_cda helped me out with that!
Thanks for the registration details about John Carson and Mary Haslett even though I also already had those. The spelling of the surnames do seem a little off, but the details I have found seem to fit.
The death entries for James Cromie: he actually died in Irvine Ayr Scotland in 1884. I think his wife Margaret must have died in Ireland before the whole (extended) family seems to have immigrated to Scotland about 1873. I can't find her death in Scotland. At any rate she had died before her husband, according to his death registration.
I have never heard of the Wills Calendar. Is there a link for it please? I have a lot of Irish ancestors in my tree, and it sounds like a good resource!
Thanks again for the assistance!
Nina
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Hi Nina,
First of all, please re-read my previous posting.
I never said that the marriage registration I found was from the IGI but I said it fits well with the information you found on the IGI. ;D
The marriage registration means it is a civil marriage, not church marriage. But you can use the information off the marriage certificate to get a church record.
This information can be found on
www.emeraldancestors.com
Wills Calender is a sort of indexes for the wills when they were probated. A bit of information can be found on it showing who were the executers, the values, etc but not a detailed account of who are getting what, etc. Because many wills were destroyed in Dublin during the War of Independence (in the South). It is generally good if you have propertyed ancestor(s).
I was pleasantly surprised to see my ancestor mentioned on it. Only one so far.
Hope this help with your research.
Regards,
Tees
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Thanks very much Tees.
Well the Wills Calendar may only be helpful for the Carson side of the family, as I believe all my other Irish ancestors were quite poor.
All the best,
Nina
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I'm also looking for CARSON families, born Ireland, moved to Scotland c.1859, Dalry, Ayrshire, then around Govan, ending up in the Dennyloanhead/Haggs area. Mine all seem to be miners.
Earliest I have is William CARSON and Ellen (Helen) McHUTCHESON (McCutcheon) who married in Newtownards, 1855. William, Henry, Maggie and Martha seem to have been common names. Ring any bells with you?
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Hi Stoney,
I have been reading your posts with interest but I think we have two different families. I know my Carson family came from the Rathfriland, Ballygorry and Banbridge townships/areas of County Down, Ireland, and that the first I can find in Scotland settled at both Irvine, and (one son) in Newton on Ayr in the early 1870's.
Sorry I can't be of more help.
Nina
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Hello:
I am researching the George Haslett family of Ballyroney. Would there be any link to Mary Haslett mentioned in your message? I believe that George's father was also William. Do you have any dates for William Haslett and wife Ellen O'Hara?
sandt
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Hi sandt and welcome to Rootschat. :)
I have not come across a connection to a George Haslett yet and none of the children listed to John and Mary were named George (which might be the case if a relative was named George). However this doesn't mean there wasn't one, as my birthdate for Mary Hyslop/Haslett is about 1833, and her brother Thomas (only known sibling at this stage) was born about 1841. Quite a gap, so amlost certainly more children would have been in between them. I only have approximate dates of birth for William Hyslop/Haslett (about 1808) and for Ellen O'Hare/O'Hara about 1812. But they are only guesses based on Mary's birth date and there is no guarantee that they are accurate and they could be as much as 10 years earlier, as Mary may not have been their oldest child. As for their place of birth, this is based on place of marriage for daughter Mary Hislop/Haslett.
What do you know about George? Did he remain in Ireland or did he go to Scotland or elsewhere? Did he marry? Have children? All of those things may lead to clues about George and help tie the families together, given that they seem to come from the same area.
Sorry I can't be more help. I have been unable to find official records for William and his wife as yet.
Nina
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Thanks for your response, Nina.
I have no birth nor death dates for George Haslett. He had (not 100% positive) the following children: William George, James, Sarah bc1847 (my late husband's grandmother), Elizabeth, Mary and Margaret. All give their father's name as George on their marriage records and 4 of the 6 were married in the Drumbrallyroney Church of Ireland, Drumballyroney Parish. Sarah is listed as being from Ballyroney and her last name is written as Heslipp. There seem to be many variations of this surname. As far as I know George stayed in Ireland but some of his children and grandchildren did end up in Scotland and in the United States and Canada.
Sandra