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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hertfordshire => Topic started by: casalguidi on Friday 03 February 06 22:59 GMT (UK)
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I have been stuck here a very long time so would be grateful if anybody has any ideas for the supposed Hertfordshire birthplace (2nd line down) for William Gulliver HEYDON bc1822-1829 (1851 census Margate, Kent HO107/1629 folio 187 page 15)
Casalguidi
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Hi Casalguidi :)
Looks like Oxey to me , near Bushey.
Looks as if the enumerator had St Vitis Dance ???
Patricia :)
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Hi Casalguidi
What a terrible scrawl! :o If the county weren't Herts, I would say Oxford, but.....it is!!!
The only parishes that I can think of beginning with "Ox" in Herts are Oxhey and Oxlease. I suppose it is just possible that the first letter is "A" or "D" but even then I am struggling to think of where it could be. Perhaps someone else will have more luck.
Sorry
Rick :)
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I have been stuck here a very long time so would be grateful if anybody has any ideas for the supposed Hertfordshire birthplace (2nd line down) for William Gulliver HEYDON bc1822-1829 (1851 census Margate, Kent HO107/1629 folio 187 page 15)
Casalguidi
I'm sorry, I can't offer any useful interpretation except - have you found him on any other census? Were there any brothers and sisters (possibly born same place) that you could follow.
Good luck anyway,
Di
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Thanks for the suggestions everyone. Unfortunately William died just a couple of years after the 1851 census and the earliest sighting I have for him is late 1840s when he married his (local) wife in Kent. I have a feeling that he may well have ventured down to Kent with the arrival of the railways mid 1840s - he was an ostler and ticket porter. A number of parishes in the Oxney area have been searched for his baptism but that was some time ago - will have to get my old paper notes out to confirm which ones ::)
I, too, have thought about Oxfordshire - particularly Hethe - a GULLIVER (wife nee HEYDON) resident there at about the right time but ???
Casalguidi
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This is probably way off but it's not Watford is it. Definitely looks like ford on the end.
Just a thought because of the railway connection & Watford Junction.
Regards
Maddie
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Funny you should say that Maddie.
Watford was the first thing I thought of when I looked at it, but after reading the other answers, I figured I was way off the mark.
Maybe we aren't really mad?
Di
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Hi Casalguidi :)
Had a look at the actual 1851 census and It appears to be OXTON Kent, whish is only 11 Miles from Folkestone and 15 miles from Margate.
Patricia :)
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Sorry :-[
Meant to to type OXNEY, info is the same
I think the leg waxing :'( got to me today :o
Patricia ;)
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Hi Casalguidi :)
Had a look at the actual 1851 census and It appears to be OXTON Kent, whish is only 11 Miles from Folkestone and 15 miles from Margate.
Patricia :)
Patricia
It may well be Oxton or Oxney, Kent.......but......the original document certainly seems to say Herts and not Kent. Therein lies the problem surely. :-\
Rick :)
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Have you considered that it is not Herts but "Heath" or "Hethe" in Oxford(shire)? I say this because in my wife's tree, there is a William Gulliver of Hethe (1803-1873) who married an Ann Heydon (1804-1874) in Oxford in Nov 1826. I have 9 children to this marriage with the first, John, arriving in 1828.
It's possible that she (ann) could be the (illegitimate) mother and that your William was "adopted" by William Gulliver (probably because he was the real father) but kept the Heydon surname. Food for thought eh?
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Hi Philnw
Welcome to Rootschat :)
Yes, I have considered that he may well have been the son of the family you mention but I just haven't been able to find anything to prove it :(
Furthermore, one of his grandchildren was named Vincent and, although not conclusive proof of a connection of course (Vincent appears in the Hethe family), it is not a name found in other lines of "our" family anywhere :-\
According to William Gulliver HEYDON's marriage, his father was William HEYDON (occupation something like baker or butler - hard to read) but, of course, this was only the information given by WGH at the time.
I did have a look at the 1841 census but couldn't immediately see anything helpful/conclusive there either :(
Casalguidi :)
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Hi all,
I know it's 4 years late, but it reads Duxford to me.
Maybe handwriting / geography weren't strong points.
Was Duxford ever in Herts?
Ray
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It's not too late as I'm still looking to confirm his birthplace ;D
Duxford is really interesting .............. from what I see on the map it's quite near the Hertfordshire border so I shall bear that in mind - thanks :)
Casalguidi :)
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Morning All,
I think it's Margate Kent. The scrawl is actually what it says it is, scrawl i.e deletion because of a mistake. Next to the scrawl there's a ditto under the Margate sitting in the line above. All the Kents look like Herts to me although they're obviously not. Is Kents short for Kentshire? The other thing is that all the remaining children were born Kent.
Benzol
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Hi
1841 HO107/443/6 Barley(Herts) District7 page5
show William HAYDEN(21y), parents&siblings.
BARLEY is just down the road to DUXFORD, very close to a "hamlet" named HAYDON.
BMD.....
1848(Q2) Elham 5 221 William Gullifer Hayden marries Alice Kidham
1850 WmT born
1851 Alice born
1853 Geo born
1858 a death of WG Dunmow 4a 202 (?)
Census
1851 HO107/1629/15 Margate
Wm & Alice
Wm 1 year
Alice 1week
Census
1861 RG9/551/228-15 Margate
Alice back with parents Tho&Sarah Kidham with the 3children,
Wm, Alice & Geo.
I've got some census copies if you like the above and want all detail, should you not have it.
Regards
Ray
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Benzol, I think it definitely says Herts and I can be 99.9% certain that he wasn't born in Margate.
1841 HO107/443/6 Barley(Herts) District7 page5
show William HAYDEN(21y), parents&siblings.
Ray, do you have any further details from this 1841 census entry ............. just in case though I do feel he may have been a bit younger than 21 at the time. He actually died in Margate in 1854 and his wife, as you suggest, returned to her native Folkestone with the surviving children ............. I have all the census details for his wife and children already thanks.
Casalguidi :)
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Definitly herts, and could it be boxmoor.
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Mornin !
I was just about to agree with "youngtug" when I found this family in Thriplow. Thriplow is VERY close to Duxford. In fact if you come out of the aerodrome turning left it is almost immediately on your right.
1841 HO107 74 13
Thomas Haydon 41
Mary 40
Wm 15
Fredk 10
John 9
Ann 5
Charlotte 4
Thomas 2
It's now in Herts but then in Cambridgeshire.
The area has a lot of Hayden/Haydon families
I like the idea of Boxmoor coz it is "cleaner", well and truly in Herts. But I couldn't find any Hayd*n.
Ray
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Hello casalguidi,
It was just a shot in the dark.
I've looked at the HALS marriage index 1810-1830. If the family came from Herts then only two fit with father's name as William. William of Langley Essex married a Charlotte Seabrook at Furneux Pelham 23.11.1819. There are 3 children recorded on IGI
William bapt Appleford Berks 30.8.1829
Sarah bapt Appleford Berks 29.1.1832
Emma Eliza Meesden Herts 28.3.1834
There may have been more unrecorded children. It's possible that this family appears in the various censuses 1841/51/61.
The second family is William married to Sarah Evans at Barkway 16.3.1828. The village is North-east Herts very close to Duxford et al. Also th the Essex village of Heydon where it's possbile that the family originated. Couldn't find any children. Again the 1841 census may help.
Two provisos
1. The HALS "Allun Index" is only good to 1812. There may be more William H*yd*n marriages not identified by the index.
2. Of the two marriages found the top marriage looks most likely. The Herts reference in the census may be where the guy lived rather than was Born/Baptised
Hope this helps in some way
Benzol