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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: nataz on Thursday 02 February 06 12:06 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Anyone with any info on MORTON family sometimes found in North and South Shields and in Kyloe Parish, Northumberland 1800's - 1900's.
Any help much appreciated
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Hi Nataz,
Welcome to rootschat 8)
Is there any specific person you are trying to find?
Tanja :)
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Hi Tanya
Looking for Edward and Jane Morton who got married at Kyloe parish, one of their sons Andrew (born 1839 in South Shields, I think) was my gggg-grandfather so any info relating to them would be great...
Natalie
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Hi Natalie,
The nearest match I can see on the 1851 census is this, which you may already have ???
HO107/2400 13 19
South Shields Jarrow
Dean Street
David Cook, head, 36 (or 30?), Mariner, b. Durham South Shields
Mary Ann Cook, wife, 29, b. Northumberland Alnwick
Elizabeth Cook, dau, 1mo, b. South Shields
Andrew Morton, brother, unm, 13, Tailor, b. South Shields
Jane Morton, sister, 19 or 9, b. do.
This looks a little mysterious. They could be either half siblings to David or in-laws, I guess. Hmm, not much help, I'm afraid :(
Tanja :)
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Thanks for that, I have seen this record and have managed to work out that Mary Ann is Andrew's sister and for some reason Andrew and his other sister Jane were recorded with Mary and David when the census was completed. But thanks anyway ;)
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I can't identify the parents in 1851. Have you already requested a 1841 census look-up?
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Hi
Yes I have found them in the 1841 census, living in Union Alley with around 3 children, one being Andrew but before then all I know is when they were married...
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Hi
I am also trying to work these Mortons out. I have Jane and Edward as Godparents 1800s. Definately the same ones given the area.
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Baptisms South Shields St. Hilda's:
Andrew Morton baptised 30 Oct 1835 s/o James and Sarah
Catherine Morton baptised 9 Jan 1833 d/o James and Sarah
Sarah Morton baptised 3 Jun 1838 d/o James and Sarah
There is a David Cooke baptised 25 Oct 1820 s/o David and Jane and there are several other's
Janis
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The Edward and Jane Morton in 1841 had their children baptized in Catholic Churches. Some of the Godparents were also Mortons.
At St. Marys Roman Catholic Chapel in Alnwick :
On the 16th of January 1822 was born, and on the 18th of the same month was baptized in Alnwick Chapel by me Rev. J. Beaumont, Mary Ann, daughter of Edward and Jane Morton. Sponsors William Henderson and Elizabeth Short.
On the 24th of April 1824 was born, and on the 25th of the same month was baptized in Alnwick Chapel by me Rev. J. Beaumont, Jane, daughter of Edward and Jane Morton. Sponsors John Murray and M. Brown.
At the Roman Catholic Chapel in North Shields :
1827. Born August 16th. Baptized September 16th. Robert, son of Edward and Jane Morton, formerly Brown. Godparents Cuthbert Murray and Frances Storey.
1830. Born July 2nd. Baptized July 25th. Thomas, son of Edward and Jane Morton, formerly Brown. Godparents Watts Howe and Catherine Charlton.
1833. Born Feb 11th. Baptized March 17th. Jane, daughter of Edward and Jane Morton, formerly Brown. Godparents George Morton and Ann Thomas.
Born Dec 21st 1835. Baptized Jan 25th 1836. Elizabeth, daughter of Edward and Jane Morton, formerly Brown. Godparents James Morton and Elizabeth Brown.
1839. Born March 1st. Baptized March 7th. Andrew, son of Edward and Jane Morton, formerly Brown. Godparents George Morton and Margaret Brown.
Alan.
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Hi,
Just found this thread. My 3x great grandfather was the James Morton mentioned (married to Sarah). His parents were Catholics and he had several siblings in South Shields. I have all the Morton parish entries for South Shields including Edward And Jane and also their entries in north Northumberland before they moved south. I suspect they they are all related and I'm currently working to prove this. One of the key markers is the continual recurrence of the name Andrew.
Happy to collaborate!
Andrew Morton
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Hi Andrew,
I see you mentioned you had record of Morton's in north Northumberland.
I have an Edward Murdy marrying an Elizabeth Morton. around 1773+ He was born in Norham.
I cannot find a marriage for them. They have the death of a child recorded in Norham and a birth recorded in 1805 in Berwick at the Golden Square Presbeterian church.
I believe Elizabeth was born around 1758. Does she feature in your records?
Any help would be gratefully received.
Big Ooms.
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I have Edward and Jane as Godparents to Andrew & Isabella Morton's children. Some of the family also go to Shields area. There is also a Murdy as a Godparent in 1780s.
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Hi Fee Fee,
I was so excited to see your reply to my query,I have been stuck with my Murdy,s for so many years now. There are 3 of us only, researching Murdy,s from North Northumberland( 2 branches) and we are all stuck. Any information you can impart would be gratefully received.
All of my previous leads have gone dead, believing they were Dissenters and that events weren,t recorded.
Which ever Murdy,s you have , info will be gratefully received, I await your reply "with bated breath!" as the saying goes
Best Wishes,
BigOoms
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Hi,
Just found this thread. My 3x great grandfather was the James Morton mentioned (married to Sarah). His parents were Catholics and he had several siblings in South Shields. I have all the Morton parish entries for South Shields including Edward And Jane and also their entries in north Northumberland before they moved south. I suspect they they are all related and I'm currently working to prove this. One of the key markers is the continual recurrence of the name Andrew.
Happy to collaborate!
Andrew Morton
Hi I've stumbled across this thread quite a few yrs after posting originally and wondered if you still have records to share for Edward & Jane Morton. They're my gggg grandparents!!
Thanks so much
Natalie
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HI there,
Yes, happy to help.
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Aw thatd be great thank you. Not sure what's the best way
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As Edward Morton and his family were Catholics, the key here is the Returns of Papists for Northumberland. There was a return of Catholics made in 1705 but the Northumberland return is very defective and in many cases only gives numbers and the return for Islandshire (North Durham) which includes Kyloe, Lowick, Holy Island, Norham and Ancroft is missing altogether. I inspected the original returns at the House of Lords archive and they are definitely not there. No Mortons appear anywhere in Northumberland which suggests that if there were any, they must have either been in North Durham, included somewhere else but only as part of an enumeration or not Catholics at that time.
Here's the return for Bamburgh as an example:
BALMEBROUGH
In ye parish of Balmbrough there's noe Papist or reputed Papist save, Eliz: Story - widdow of Newham a farm.
Char. Stoddart vicar
There was another return in 1767 and this is very good as it identifies all Catholics individually. There is only one family of Mortons and they are in Lowick, just next to Kyloe Parish.
They are:
Andrew Morton who was a mason, aged 55, Mary his wife, aged 53 and Andrew his son, aged 9. They were all born in the parish of Lowick (although not necessarily in the village of that name) which means that Andrew senior was born around 1712, Andrew and Mary would have been married somewhere around 1732 and Andrew Junior would have been born around 1758.
I have examined the parish registers of Lowick and there is no trace of the baptisms or marriage. That was because Roman Catholic children were baptised by the local priest and the details entered in his pocketbook, which was kept privately. The authorities liked to keep track of Roman Catholics, Presbyterians and other dissenters (hence the lists of dissenters’ births which can be found in some Anglican parish church registers) so the Catholic community preferred not to publicise their records.
The was at least one other son, William, who married Isabel Dixon at Rothbury on 30 May 1763. He was described as 'William Morton of the Parish of Lowick' and she was a Catholic as her birth is recorded in the list of Dissenters' births in the Rothbury parish register. Her father and siblings also appear in the Return of Papists for Rothbury in 1767. She does not, neither does William but I found them in the return for Great Ryle listed as:
'A Hind, His Wife and His Son’. How do I know that they are William and his family? Firstly, the age of his wife; she is 30 which means that she was born between September 1736 and September 1737 which matches exactly with the date of birth of Isabel on 25 August, 1737. Secondly, Isabel appears nowhere else in the returns, although her siblings are all named. Thirdly, whilst the baptisms of Catholics were not recorded in Anglican parish registers, their burials were. From the burials from Whittingham parish for the year 1772 I found that on August 12 was buried William son of William Morton of Great Ryle and there is no trace of a baptism for this child. William had another child (also called William) buried in nearby Whittingham on 20 March 1774.
So it appears that Andrew Morton the mason of Lowick appeared to have had at least two sons, William and Andrew (there may have been more children). William is my 5 x Great Grandfather and his son James Morton moved to South Shields in 1800 and was a butcher there. William's brother Andrew married Margaret Blacklock at Wooler
'4th of May 1779 This day were married by Banns duly published in this Parish Andrew Murton of the Parish of Lowick and Margaret Blacklock of this Parish in the presence of Robert Glahome and Marton Southren' - Wooler
Edward Morton's death was announced in the North & South Shields Gazette of 30 March 1850:
'Deaths: South Shields, at Price-street, on the 23rd inst., aged 63, Mr Edward Morton, trimmer'
In the 1841 census his age is given as 53 (even though ages were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5 years) so I think it's safe to assume that he was born around the years 1787/88. This would put Andrew Morton squarely in the frame to be Edward's father and given that he named his own son Andrew I think it's a fairly safe bet that Edward was the grandson of Andrew Morton the mason of Lowick. I have separately noted a list of all the Catholic parish register entries which I have involving the name Edward and it's fascinating to see the intertwining of the families as evidenced by the sponsors at the baptisms and the constant recurrence of the name Andrew (which is a fairly unusual Morton name and which always appears to lead back to the northern end of Northumberland. (continued in a separate post)
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I have actually written a family history and here's a small snippet:
'All my researches suggest that one name in particular runs through every generation of our family and that is Andrew. Certainly, in former times in Northumberland the common practice of the parents was to name the first male child after the father’s father, the first female child after the mother’s mother, the second boy after the mother’s father and the second girl after the father’s mother. Other children might be named after uncles and aunts. In the 19th century the practice came in of giving children middle names and these were also used to preserve family names. In this way names would be handed down from generation to generation.
For example, my name is Andrew, my grandfather was Percy William Andrew, his father was William Andrew, my great-great-grandfather was Andrew, his uncle was Andrew and his father’s uncle was also Andrew and there was an Andrew in the previous generation also.
It is in Doddington that we find the first documentary evidence of someone to whom we may be related. About 25 years ago whilst researching in the archives of Durham University I came upon the following document. It is an admon, which is a legal document issued to the heir of a deceased person who has not left a will. The writing was so faded that I could only make it out with the aid of ultra violet light.
The admon of Andrew Morton [next is illegible but probably Gent. or Yeoman] deceased of Doddington. To his legitimate son James Morton. Bondsmen Thomas Tindale of Doddington and Thomas Hudson. Amount of Bond £301 [very faded writing], 1624. At Doddington [Durham University Archive (DPR/I/3/1624/B121)]
Unfortunately, there are no other records of this individual as survival of documents from this period is very patchy and few Northumberland parish registers survive from before the mid 1600s (Berwick is a notable exception). However it’s possible that he was the son or grandson of the Henry who mustered on Abberwick Moor in 1538.'
Further on I have:
'Andrew senior (the mason) was born a Roman Catholic, probably the son or grandson of the Andrew Morton who was selling cloth to the Haggerston family. These three Mortons are the only ones who appear in the returns for Northumberland and North Durham. Ancestry DNA records showed that I am the eighth cousin of a lady who is descended from a James Morton who was regularly paid for work at Haggerston:
11th of November 1779 paid Jas Murton, Haggerston For work in full £2-5-0 (Northumberland Record Office Haggerston Account Books 1776-1815 NRO740/22/5)
James was possibly the brother of Andrew the Mason.
Hope this helps
Andrew Morton
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Morton Catholic Register entries
William Morton, born 8/9/1799, bap. 10/9/1799 at Netherton, son of James Morton and his wife Catherine Baston. Godparents: Edward Simmons, Francis Turnbull - Thropton Roman Catholic Chapel
Andrew Morton, lawful son of John and Elizabeth Morton born on the 19th day of July 1809, bap. 23rd day of July 1809 at Haggerston. Sponsors: Edward Morton, Elizabeth Moody - Haggerston Castle Roman Catholic Chapel
Mary Morton, lawful dau. of John and Elizabeth Morton born on the 23rd day of December 1810, bap. 24th day of December 1810 at Fenwick Stead. Sponsors: Mary [Margaret?] Jameson, Edward Jameson - Haggerston Castle Roman Catholic Chapel
William Murton, born 27 May 1817 and Bap. 15 June 1817, Son of Andrew Murton and Isabella Murton (née Russel) of Belford. Sponsors: Edward Murton & Jane Murton - Berwick Upon Tweed Roman Catholic Chapel
William Murton, born 27 May 1817, baptised 15 June 1817, son of Andrew Murton of Belford by his wife Isabel Russel. Sponsors: Edward Murton, Jane Murton - Ellingham Roman Catholic Chapel
Edward Murton, Sponsor at the baptism of William Murton, born 27 May 1817 and Bap. 15 June 1817, Son of Andrew Murton and Isabella Murton (née Russel) of Belford. - Berwick Upon Tweed Roman Catholic Chapel
Andrew Murton , Sponsor at the baptism of Edward Murton, born 24 January 1819 and Bap. 2 February 1819, Son of John Murton and Isabel Murton (née Brown) of Belford. - Berwick Upon Tweed Roman Catholic Chapel
John Murton, born 12 July 1818 and Bap. 15 July 1818, Son of Edward Murton and Jane Murton (née Brown) of Fenwick Steads. Sponsors: George Brown & Eleanor Potts - Berwick Upon Tweed Roman Catholic Chapel
John Murton, born 12 July 1818, baptised 15 July 1818, son of Edward Murton of Fenwick Steads by his wife Jane Brown. Sponsors: George Brown, Eleanor Potts - Ellingham Roman Catholic Chapel
John, the lawful son of Edward and Jain Murton of Fenwick Steads in the parish of Kyloe was born on the 12th and baptised on the 15th of July 1818. Sponsors: Eleanor Potts, George Brown - Haggerston Castle Roman Catholic Chapel
Edward Murton, born 24 January 1819 and Bap. 2 February 1819, Son of John Murton and Isabella Murton (née Brown) of Belford. Sponsors: Andrew Murton and Mary Graham - Berwick Upon Tweed Roman Catholic Chapel
Edward Murton, born 24 January 1819, Baptised 2 February 1819, son of John Murton of Fenwick Steads by his wife Isabella Brown. Sponsors: William Jamison, Ann Cassels - Ellingham Roman Catholic Chapel
John Murton, Sponsor at the Baptism of Margaret Murton, born - February 1820 and Bap. 1 March 1820, Daughter of Edward Murton and Jane Murton (née Brown) of Elwick - Berwick Upon Tweed Roman Catholic Chapel
Isabella Murton, Sponsor at the Baptism of Margaret Murton, born - February 1820 and Bap. 1 March 1820, Daughter of Edward Murton and Jane Murton (née Brown) of Elwick - Berwick Upon Tweed Roman Catholic Chapel
John Murton, sponsor at the baptism of Margaret Murton, daughter of Edward Murton of Elswick by his wife Jane Brown, 1 March 1820 - Ellingham Roman Catholic Chapel
Margaret Murton, born - February 1820 and Bap. 1 March 1820, Daughter of Edward Murton and Jane Murton (née Brown) of Elwick. Sponsors: John Murton & Isabella Murton - Berwick Upon Tweed Roman Catholic Chapel
Margaret Murton, daughter of Edward Murton of Elswick by his wife Jane Brown, baptised 1 March 1820. Sponsors: John Murton, Isabel Murton - Ellingham Roman Catholic Chapel
On the 16th of January 1822 was born & on the 18th of the same month was baptised in Alnwick Chapel by the Rev. T. Beaumont, Mary Anne, Daughter of Edward & Jane Morton. Sponsors} William Henderson, Elisabeth Stoner - Alnwick Roman Catholic Chapel
The list of communicants for Alnwick Roman Catholic Chapel for the year 1823 includes Edward Morton - Alnwick Roman Catholic Chapel
On the 24th of April 1824 was born & on the 25th of the same month was baptised in Alnwick Chapel by the Rev. T. Beaumont, Jane Daughter of Edward & Jane Morton. Sponsors} John Murray, M. Brown - Alnwick Roman Catholic Chapel
Robert son of Edward Morrton by his wife Jane Brown, born 16th of August 1827, baptised 16th of September 1827. Sponsors: Cuthbert Murray, Frances Storey - North Shields Roman Catholic Chapel
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Morton Catholic Register entries (continued)
Thomas son of Edward Morton by his wife Jane Brown, born 2nd of July 1830, baptised 25th of July 1830. Sponsors: Walter Howe, Catherine Charlton - North Shields Roman Catholic Chapel
The list of communicants for Alnwick Roman Catholic Chapel for the year 1831 includes Edward Morton - Alnwick Roman Catholic Chapel
Jane daughter of Edward Morton by his wife Jane Brown, born 11th of February 1833, baptised 17th of March 1833. Sponsors: George Brown, Ann Thomas - North Shields Roman Catholic Chapel
Elizabeth daughter of Edward Morton by his wife Jane Brown, born 21st of December 1835, baptised 25th of January 1836. Sponsors: James Morton, Elizabeth Brown [Died 26/11/1850] - North Shields Roman Catholic Chapel
Andrew son of Edward Morton by his wife Jane Brown, born 1st of March 1839, baptised 7th of March 1839. Sponsors: George Morton/Margaret Brown - North Shields Roman Catholic Chapel
Edward Murton sponsor at the baptism of Margaret Ann daughter of Thomas Murton by his wife Margaret Robson, baptised 6th of July 1841 - Newcastle St. Andrew Roman Catholic Chapel Mission
Margaret Ann daughter of Thomas Murton by his wife Margaret Robson, bom 20lh of July 1841, baptised 26th of July 1841, sponsors: Edward Murton, Ann Murton - Newcastle St. Andrew Roman Catholic Chapel Mission
Robert Bulmer son of Edward Murton by his wife Elizabeth Bulmer born 1st of January 1844 baptised 7th of January 1844 - Newcastle St. Andrew Roman Catholic Chapel Mission
Ann Murton, Trafalgar St., Newcastle witness at the marriage of Margaret Murton, Trafalgar St., Newcastle, Parents: Edward and Jane Murton, Trafalgar St., Newcastle and Thomas Bulmar, Galligate, Newcastle, Parents: Joseph and Margaret Bulmar, Galligate, Newcastle, married 12th of March - Newcastle St. Andrew Roman Catholic Chapel Mission
Margaret Murton, Trafalgar St., Newcastle, Parents: Edward and Jane Murton, Trafalgar St., Newcastle and Thomas Bulmar, Galligate, Newcastle, Parents: Joseph and Margaret Bulmar, Galligate, Newcastle, married 12th of March 1846 . Wit. William Bulmer, Galligate, Newcastle, Ann Murton, Trafalgar St., Newcastle - Newcastle St. Andrew Roman Catholic Chapel Mission
George Murton sponsor at the baptism of John son of Edward Murton by his wife Elizabeth Bulmer, baptised 21s' of June 1846 - Newcastle St. Andrew Roman Catholic Chapel Mission
Jane Murton sponsor at the baptism of John son of Edward Murton by his wife Elizabeth Bulmer, baptised 21st of June 1846 - Newcastle St. Andrew Roman Catholic Chapel Mission
John son of Edward Murton by his wife Elizabeth Bulmer, bom 15th of June, 1846, baptised 21st of June 1846, sponsors: George Murton, Jane Murton - Newcastle St. Andrew Roman Catholic Chapel Mission
Joseph son of Edward Murton and his wife Elizabeth Bulman, born 5th of May 1849, baptised 10th of June 1849 - Newcastle St. Mary Roman Catholic Cathedral
John son of George Murton by his wife Jane Smith, baptised 25th of December 1850. sponsors: Edward Austin, Frances Austin - Newcastle St. Andrew Roman Catholic Chapel Mission