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Title: 1851 DRAPER Family
Post by: damarshall on Tuesday 31 January 06 13:17 GMT (UK)

Looking for the draper family

James draper b 1805 i have no wife for him

He had a son Joseph Draper 1828 Rushden Hertfordshire.

I am looking for more information on this family.
I belive there also was a Elizbeath Draper not sure who she is
Can anyone help please

Title: Re: 1851 Draper Family
Post by: GeoffP on Tuesday 31 January 06 13:53 GMT (UK)

1851 Census
HO107/1707 Folio190 p11

42 Church ?
James Draper  Head UN 46 Ag lab                        b Rushden
Edith      "         Wife  M   30                                  b Cothered
Ruth                  dau  11                                        b Rushden
Edward             son   8                                                "
Jonathan           son  6                                                 "
Edith                   dau 4                                                "
Noah                   son 10m                                           "

James Draper is clearly marked as Unmarried. There is a line through Edith but it looks like married and she is stated as wife.
                         Regards
                                          Geoff
                                     

Title: Re: 1851 Draper Family
Post by: damarshall on Tuesday 31 January 06 14:02 GMT (UK)

Thanks for that,I am wondering if Joseph draper born in 1828 in rushden father Jame's mother had passed away and James did Re marry again .Joseph would of left home as his marriage was 1850

Title: Re: 1851 DRAPER Family
Post by: GeoffP on Tuesday 31 January 06 15:47 GMT (UK)

Difficult to find James Draper's first wife if any. There are a few deaths listed on Free BMD between 1837 and 1850  for Royston which would include Rushden at this period of time. You may need to search some parish registers for a marriage as it would have been before 1837.

Also it might be worth trying to find the 1841 Census. I have no access to that.
                             Good luck
                                               Geoff

Title: Re: 1851 DRAPER Family
Post by: damarshall on Tuesday 31 January 06 15:51 GMT (UK)

Thanks for your help.I will look into that.

Title: Re: 1851 DRAPER Family
Post by: petercornish on Tuesday 31 January 06 20:03 GMT (UK)

Hi,

The 1841 entry  for the Draper family reads as follows   ...

HO107/446/12  F.6. P.6.  Church End, Rushden.
James Draper  35  Ag Lab
Edith Draper  20 
Mary Draper  8
Ruth Draper  1
Joseph Draper 45  Ag Lab
John Bery (?)   20  Ag Lab.
All born in county.

Hope this helps.

Regards   ...   Peter

Title: Re: 1851 DRAPER Family
Post by: damarshall on Tuesday 31 January 06 21:39 GMT (UK)

peter
Could you tell me is Joseph Draper 45 is the head of the house or is he a brother.
The joseph i have was born in 1828 and James was his father,but it looks like you have found james father joseph 45 if this is head of household.
I would be really greatfull for this information
Dee

Title: Re: 1851 DRAPER Family
Post by: petercornish on Tuesday 31 January 06 22:13 GMT (UK)

Hi Dee,

I have found another James Draper on the 1851 with a son Joseph and these appear to fit the criteria of your original posting.

HO107/1707  F.187.  P.5.  Southwell Greeen, Rushden
Living with Benjamin and Mary Cannon and family, farmers of 262 acres of land employing 14 labourers
James Draper  Servant  Widower  40  Ag Lab  Rushden
Joseph Draper Servant  U  21  Ag Lab  Rushden.

Perhaps  this will affect your line of enquiry and I will wait for your reply.

Regards   ...   Peter

Title: Re: 1851 DRAPER Family
Post by: damarshall on Wednesday 01 February 06 07:26 GMT (UK)

yes this has effected my line of inquiry.
I don't think that this is our James and Joseph.
My reason for this is Joseph was married in February 1851 at Royston and Buntingford. To Sarah swain.
On there marriage one of the witness is Mary Draper which would fit with the other Jame's and Joseph 45 that you found in 1841.
I have found Joseph and Sarah in the middlesex census.That is were allot of my family lived Edmonton and Enfield and Tottenham.

who was Joseph in 1841?

what do you think ?

Title: Re: 1851 DRAPER Family
Post by: GeoffP on Wednesday 01 February 06 08:05 GMT (UK)

Here is your Joseph and Sarah in 1851

HO107/1707 Folio228 p39
Red Hill,  Sandon, Royston

Joseph   Head M  23   Ag Lab      b Rushden
Sarah     Wife  M   18                  b Herts Weston

Hope that helps.
                             Regards
                                           Geoff

Title: Re: 1851 DRAPER Family
Post by: damarshall on Wednesday 01 February 06 09:21 GMT (UK)

Thanks geoff.
I had this information,but it does you good to go back and look at it again.
Thanks.

Title: Re: 1851 DRAPER Family
Post by: greenacre1 on Wednesday 01 February 06 09:58 GMT (UK)

Hi
Have you searched the IGI for your Joseph and James?
Have had a quick search and found 2 possible candidates

James Draper christened 09.12.1804 in Rushden parents Joseph and Mary Draper.
Joseph Draper christened 07.04.1828 in Rushden parents James and Mary

Couldn't locate a marriage in Rushden but they may not have married in Rushton anyway so could be nearby parishes usually that of the wife but not always, sometimes where they were working at the time.

Hope this is of some use

Greenacre1

Title: Re: 1851 DRAPER Family
Post by: damarshall on Wednesday 01 February 06 11:11 GMT (UK)

thank you so much.
I did wounder from the other information if James Father was joseph and it looks like he was.And james then named his son after his father.
Thank you for your help
Regards
Dee

Title: Re: 1851 DRAPER Family
Post by: petercornish on Wednesday 01 February 06 15:18 GMT (UK)

Hi Dee,

There are eleven Draper burials in the parish of Rushden recorded in the Hertfordshire Burials Index 1800-1851. Seven of these are infants, the other four being   ...

Sarah Draper  (no age given)  26 Sep 1809
Elizabeth Draper    31    27 Apr 1836
Mary Draper   27    02 Apr 1843
Sarah Draper   80   24 Jul 1851

Regards   ...   Peter
 

Title: Re: 1851 DRAPER Family
Post by: petercornish on Wednesday 01 February 06 15:45 GMT (UK)

Hi Dee,

The 1841 entry for James and Mary is as follows   ...

HO107/446/12  F.8.  P.10.  Rushden
James Draper   60  Ag Lab
Mary Draper   55 
William Draper   18
Joseph Draper  12
All born in county.

Regards   ...   Peter

Title: Re: 1851 DRAPER Family
Post by: greenacre1 on Wednesday 01 February 06 16:36 GMT (UK)

Hi
Just saw Peter's info and there is a marriage on the IGI for a James Draper. One married Mary Camp in Reed Herts on 16th November 1805. A strong possibility for this James and Mary.
Found births of children with James and Mary as parents all born Rushden.

John 13/08/1809
James 05/01/1812
Mary 08/09/1816 d 27/10/1816
Mary 09/02/1818
George 22/05/1820
William 03/11/1822

Greenacre1

Title: Re: 1851 DRAPER Family
Post by: damarshall on Wednesday 01 February 06 19:11 GMT (UK)

thank you so much for all this information.I am very greatfull.
Need some time to work out who is who.
Thank you Dee

Title: Re: 1851 DRAPER Family
Post by: pdraper on Tuesday 07 June 22 05:34 BST (UK)

I realize that this thread is old, but I have Drapers in my tree going back through the 1700s in Rushden Herts,  and before that in Cottered.  The Edward Draper mentioned in one of the posts is, I think, my Great Great Grandfather, who moved to Northfleet around 1875.. His son George Joseph is my Great Grandfather and my Grandfather was his son Hardy George Alfred Draper.

If you are still monitoring this I'd love to swap notes

Title: Re: 1851 DRAPER Family
Post by: damarshall on Saturday 11 June 22 18:54 BST (UK)

Hi sorry I haven’t got back to you sooner. I don’t really have a lot of information on the the Draper family. My great nan was Sarah ann Draper who married Albert Seymour. Her father.Joseph draper 1828 married Sarah swain born 1835 they lived at 171 red hill Sandon Hertfordshire. Joseph father was James draper. And Joseph was born 1828 April 27th rushden Hertfordshire. .Sarah draper moved to Edmonton. I not sure if this helps . I haven’t done the family tree in a few years. Dee

Title: Re: 1851 DRAPER Family
Post by: pdraper on Sunday 12 June 22 04:33 BST (UK)

Thank you so much - EVERYTHING HELPS

Title: Re: 1851 DRAPER Family
Post by: pdraper on Sunday 12 June 22 04:36 BST (UK)

I did not have Albert Seymour - so thanks a lot DEE   :)

Title: Re: 1851 DRAPER Family
Post by: pdraper on Sunday 12 June 22 05:57 BST (UK)

(http://D:\ancestry pics\sarah ann draper.jpg)

I am not sure if this is the way to send an image but I am trying it anyway

Title: Re: 1851 DRAPER Family
Post by: damarshall on Sunday 12 June 22 07:12 BST (UK)

Sorry I cannot see your image

Title: Re: 1851 DRAPER Family
Post by: pdraper on Sunday 12 June 22 08:44 BST (UK)

I was trying to send a pic of a family tree but I can't get it to work
I have Joseph Draper and Sarah Swain
Albert Seymour and Sarah Ann Draper (your great nan?)
James Davies and Sarah E. Seymour (your nan?)
June Davies

does this look right?

Title: Re: 1851 DRAPER Family
Post by: damarshall on Sunday 12 June 22 13:02 BST (UK)

Yes that right and Valerie ann Davies my mum

Title: Re: 1851 DRAPER Family
Post by: pdraper on Monday 13 June 22 04:10 BST (UK)

Thanks for the confirmation!!!!!