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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Breconshire => Topic started by: Amy K on Wednesday 22 September 04 09:31 BST (UK)
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Does anyone have any information about a sanitorium in Talgarth??
My mather stayed there for a few months in the 1950's and I'd like to find out a bit more about it.
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Hi Amy....
The Sanitorium is about to be redeveloped atm....I know the buildings were still standing a while back when I last went there.....but its been empty for a long time now.....In fact I met the man who was redeveloping it about 6 months ago. :o :)
http://www.cpat.org.uk/projects/longer/histland/midwye/1091.htm .
This tells you a bit about its history...........
There is also a facility 3 miles away at Bronllys which is still operational as a mental health unit although back in the old days it was a TB hospital.
If i can help any more let me know
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Thanks Andy! My mam will be very interested to hear that. She loathed the place...
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I don't know if this will work... :-\
Heres a picture looking over Talgarth with the hospital just about in view. ( ironically this pic was takne from Bronllys Hospital :o :) Talgarth Hospital is just a bit higher than the church tower and just to the right of it.
(http://www.wunderground.com/data/wximagenew/u/Uskys/11.jpg)
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:o :o
Now Then, Now Then, Hold on a minute!!!
By a sheer coincidence ( is there any such thing? ) My wife brought me back a pile of maps today and in the pile was a 1938 linen o/s 1:25,000 of Talgarth and bronllys ( pronounced bron-klis ) .
........ :) The Hospital at Talgarth is signed as 'mental heath' whilst the hospital at Bronllys is signed as a 'Sanatorium'.
Its quite possible that it would have been reffered as Talgarth....the two communities are seperated by 100m's.
a little mention "Bronllys: Bethel Chapel, Calvanistic Methodist; Bronllys Hospital Chapel (Formerly S. Wales Sanitorium); St. Mary's Church" from here: http://archives.powys.gov.uk/lsn/20.html .
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There's a couple of Francis Frith photos, (fairly obscured) on this page.
http://www.francisfrith.com/pageloader.asp?page=/search/viewphotos.asp&townid=61271&cid=10&partner=UK
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Well - i was just cruising the site and saw the Talgarth header.
I have a distant ancestor who was a doctor and whos family were from Talgarth AND owned Bronllys castle, or at least were able to pass it on in will.
Now, thanks to this thread i've actually seen Talgarth.
Bean
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There is an interesting article on the Sanatorium Hospital in our local paper with photograps.
Details below
Paper : Brecon and Radnor Express and County Times
Address : 11 The Bulwark, Brecon Powys LD3 7AE
Tel. No. 01874 610111 Neill Powell Circulation & Promotions Manager
Date of Issue : 19th. October 2006 Pages 12 & 13
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amy k, i am not sure if this is the same place, but here is a postcard marked the asylum talgarth, perhaps it was renamed, it is dated 1908, written on back by a great uncle of mine who worked there,, good hunting john
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picture is of the mental health hospital - which is above talgarth- bronllys- was the sanatorium and has extensive grounds my sister works out of the site which is still nhs or welsh nhs it is the opposite side of the valley as the picture shows mental hospital has now been redevloped as housing estate.
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My Uncle Walter Jones was at the Sanitorium in the 1930's.My Father used to cycle all the way from North Wales to visit him.Times have changed!
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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A website for the Mid Wales Hospital is being created at www.freewebs.com/midwaleshospital
If amyone would care to visit. Also if enough interest is shown I will look into a section on Bronllys South Wales San.
cheers
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I had an uncle who died c. 1939 ish in the TB Isolation ward in Talgarth
Fantastic photos of Talgarth here
http://midwalescountylunaticasylum.fotopic.net/
For the TB Isolation building photo see
http://midwalescountylunaticasylum.fotopic.net/c1573302.html
click on photo from selection in left panel, which says TB ISOLATION
I was able to identify it from the postcard of Talgarth which someone kindly posted a couple of years ago (above)
ALSO on FLICKR
http://www.flickr.com/photos/silverstealth/sets/72157603999086092/
silverstealth's photos,
also search for talgarth and many photos come up
Best wishes
Jen
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I know that within living memory being sent to Talgarth (not Bronllys), in the appropriate local context, meant being commited to the asylum.
Pinot
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I was up there last week in search of my great Grandfathers resting place.
The MidWales hospital was an assylum which treated prisoner of war during WWII and were buried in the grounds, the hospital is no longer used and rundown it was privately bought and the entrance is now made up of offices allthough you can still access the main parts of the hospital by driving through the main entrance.
The Bronllys Hospital is the Sanitorium which as allready stated was for T.B. treatments, This is what my GG/Father (who was a service man (merchant navy)died of in 1941, the burials were in the nearby church, but during this period the grave were not maked (no headstone) records show just rows and numbers, so it can be worked out that the person that was buried would be within this 10 foot of space (soo to speak).
I will be visiting again if I can find his co-ordinates of his burial.
So anyone searching for a relative who was a serviceman can easily get the hospitals mixed up beacause service men were also at mid-wales but they were POW's
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I live in Bronllys, and often walk to that quiet corner of the churchyard where the unmarked graves lie. A few of them do have small engraved plaques attached, but many are just numbers. If I can help anyone with an interest in those laid to rest here, I would be happy to do so, and to take any photographs required.
Regards,
Greensleeves
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Hi Greensleeves
I found this information today,
The ships Second Officer died in 1944 from injuries related/sustained from the attack and is buried with full War Grave Status
CANIPANE, Second Officer, FRANK, S.S. Sarastone (Llanelly). Merchant Navy. 11th December 1944. Age 50. Buried Bronllys (St. Mary) Churchyard Grave 92.
Please could you check for me, I will be so greatful if you do.
Thank You
Steve Sheppard.
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Hi Steve
Certainly I'll check that out and take a photo. Will post again in a few days.
Regards,
Greensleeves
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Hi Steve
Below are two photos of the grave of Frank Canipane at St Mary's Church, Bronllys. One shows the location - it is facing the entrance to the churchyard - and the second is a close-up. The weather was so gloomy this morning that I was struggling to override the flash, so I apologise for the fact that they are not brilliant. I am hoping to go back over the weekend if the sun is shining so that I can post some better images which include the entire MN insignia.
Regards,
Greensleeves
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hello from canada i have a grandfather John Henry Avery buried at the chapel cemetery there in the cemetery there is a single gravestone for a soldier that is buried there. My grandfather is buried in the cemetery there is no marker or headstone that i am aware of also the hospital was sold and is in the process of being torn apart. in my research with powys archives they informed me of his burial there but they had no idea where. if a plot plan exists i would be interested as it may assist in locating his resting place. my father charles hampton avery came to canada in 1926 without ever knowing what happened to his father and he died in 1997 i have championed the effort to try to locate him , he died at talgarth mental hospital in 1931 he had been there since 1922 they admitted him from the hay wokhouse. i have one saving bit of information in that they had taken his picture on admission a requirement of addmission. any assistance would be appreciated
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Hi from Bronllys, which is a village a couple of miles away from Talgarth, and about 4 miles from the Talgarth Hospital site. I am assuming that you have seen this, as there is a photo of John Avery on the home page:
http://midwalescountylunaticasylum.fotopic.net/
Greensleeves
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... and this planning document has maps of the site on page 14 and a map of Talgarth on page 15:
http://www.breconbeacons.org/the-authority/planning/strategy-and-policy/spg-and-dc-guidance-notes/talgarth-development-brief
Regards,
Greensleeves
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thank you for the info will proceed appreciate your time Bruce Avery from canada
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Hi Bruce
I'll ask friends in Talgarth if they know where the cemetery is at Talgarth Hospital. If I can find that out, perhaps once the weather is better I could go up and take some photos. Bit snowy for that at the moment!
Regards,
Greensleeves
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that would be great, i feel responsible for your snowy situation its the norm here in canada to have snow around all winter here this past week 40 cm in some areas and in our western provinces cold as low as -50. So no big rush on the photos leave it till spring and once again thanks Bruce
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Hi Bruce - and others who are interested in the Talgarth Hospital burial ground
I went there yesterday, and was dismayed to find that the entire burial ground is completely overgrown. There appears to be only one headstone, that of a war grave. Someone has cleared the brambles away from this and there are remains of poppy petals at the base.
I am posting a photo of the chapel, and the burial ground which is to the rear of the chapel. You can see the headstone of the war grave to the right of the photo.
So sorry to have to post an image of such desolation.
Greensleeves
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thank you greensleeves at least the attention it deserves may well help it,s preservation.
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Does any-one know if there are records of persons who died at the hospital and are buried in the chapel cemetery. My interest is 1962. Elizabeth.
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elizabeth there are records for the burials at talgarth mental hospital, but you must go through the local health authority to prove you are a relative a death certificate of the individual because of the 100 year rule will likely be required also when a patient was admitted to talgarth they had a photo taken at that time , my grandfather john henry avery was admitted in 1922 and i have a picture of him, he died there in 1931 and was buried at the chapel burial ground there is no plot plan so the chance of knowing where on the yard they are is not looking very good. powys archives has that information.
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Thank you for the information - the person I am seeking was very close relative - if proof is required I can provide same, together with a death certificate. I realise that it may be difficult to provide exact details of where she may be buried, but cofirmation of the burial ground suffice, plus any other information would be good. . Elizabeth.
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elizabeth the lady you would want to talk to at powys archives is Dawn Gill her e-mail is dawn.gill [at] powys.gov.uk she will walk you through what you need to do and will let you know if your relative is at that graveyard,Best wishes Bruce Avery
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Thank you very much Bruce for your reply - I will get in touch with the lady tomorrow and see what I can find out. Regards Elizabeth.
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I live in Bronllys, and often walk to that quiet corner of the churchyard where the unmarked graves lie. A few of them do have small engraved plaques attached, but many are just numbers. If I can help anyone with an interest in those laid to rest here, I would be happy to do so, and to take any photographs required.
Regards,
Greensleeves
Hi Greensleeves, I've only just found this website and joined! Hope you are still in Bronllys? My Dad missed WWII as he had TB and stayed in the sanatorium there. In fact, I was told he had one of the first operations on the lung there (but not sure if that's just a family story). Do you know if there are any patient records available where I could find out any more about my Dad's stay there? From previous messages, you seem to be quite an authority on the area and a great help to lots of people!
Regards,
TomandEric
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try local health unit for journal of relatives care during his stay at talgarth should give you addmission date as well as discharge if he didn,t die at the facility, perhaps a picture of the patient on admission Powys archives in brecknockshire has address, also in earlier postn here.
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Thanks very much for your help - will try what you suggest.
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my pleasure good luck
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Hello Tomanderic
Below is an aerial photograph of the Bronllys Hospital site. It is still used as a non-acute hospital, as well as being the location of the offices of the local Health Authority. Am I right in thinking he was in Bronllys Hospital rather than Talgarth? I think primarily Bronllys dealth with TB whereas Talgarth was a psychiatric hospital.
Regards,
GS
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Hello Greensleeves,
Thanks for your response - I couldn't see a photo, though. Yes, it must have been Bronllys as he had TB, although I was always told he was in a sanitorium in Talgarth. I don't know when he was admitted or when he was discharged but he married my Mum in 1944, so this all happened during the war. Do you know if they still keep the records there?
TomandEric
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I am wondering if both hospitals were run under one umbrella because there are quite a few photos on google images which show Bronllys Hospital but which are labelled as Talgarth Hospital, including some old postcards.
I know there is a website somewhere which gives information about how to go about tracing relatives who were in Talgarth Hospital.... I will check and see if I can find it for you.
Regards,
GS
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Sorry about the photo getting lost - let's try to add it again:
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Thank you Greensleeves - that's quite a photo! And I'm most grateful for your help.
Best wishes,
TomandEric
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Just in case anyone is thinking of emailing Dawn Gill at Powys Archives I just thought that I would let you know that she has now retired.
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There 2 hospitals, the old asylum is closed and it east of Talgarth by half a mile . West of Talgarth by about one and a half miles is the still open Bronllys Hospital that once was a TB Sanatorium.