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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: ligurian on Sunday 29 January 06 14:34 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
I am searching for details of James Wrench born in 1820 in Kingsley, Cheshire and his wife and family.
I know that James married Elizabeth Humphreys who was born in 1816 also in Kingsley. I also know of three children, a daughter who married a Walker, as well as 2 sons:
Daniel Wrench born in 1857 in Kingsley
John Wrench born in 1859 in Kingsley
I know of no further details of the daughter, from whom I believe I am descended, or of the 2 sons either. Any details of the Kingsley Wrench and Humphreys families, including their ancestors and descendants and other brothers and sisters would be gratefully received.
Regards,
Ian
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Hi Ian,
On the 1861 census for James Wrench and family there is a grandson William H.Shallcross age 6 - have you discovered who he belongs to? also on the 1881 census a grand-daughter Mary Walker age 14.
odessa.
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Are these your family by any chance?.
1841census Kingsley HO 107/97/10
James Wrench 45 Ag Lab
Mary Wrench 40
James Wrench 20
Elizabeth Wrench 15
Catherine Wrench 13
Hannah Wrench 9
All born Cheshire .
1851 Census Castle Hill .Kingsley . HO 107/2164/793
James Wrench H M 30 Gardener born Kingsley
Eliza Wrench W M 36 Born Norley
1871 Census Heyes . Kingsley .RG 10/3693 page32
James Wrench H M 50 Lab. born Kingsley
Elizabeth Wrench W M 56 Dressmaker born Norley
Daniel Wrench Son U 14 Born Kingsley
John Wrench Son U 11 born Kingsley .
Big Al
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A big thanks to Big-Al and Odessa!!
Big-Al - you have managed to push back my tree a whole generation, so thank you! Where can I see the 1841 census, is it on-line yet?
Odessa - Now there's another family mystery - who is this William Shallcross? Maybe there's another female who married a Shallcross, or perhaps he was illegitimate or adopted... (did they adopt in those days?) Concerning Mary Walker she is my great-gran, but there was always the question - if James and Elizabeth Wrench were Mary's grandparents, who were her parents?
Thanks to you both once more, but if anyone else recognises these new names -
JAMES WRENCH born 1796 married to MARY born 1801 with the children Big-Al lists in his post -
then I'd be grateful to hear from them.
Regards,
Ian
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ref the above message: I have done a lot of research on the Humphreys surname in and around Norley. I think you'll find that who you think is Elizabeth Humphreys is in fact Elizabeth Marrow by birth. She married William Humphreys of Crowton in 1833. He died in 1839 and she re-married James Wrench, himself a widower at the time. I don't know the name of his 1st wife, but I think she died during the 1840's. I believe Elizabeth died in Kingsley in 1900 and was buried at St John's, Norley.
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Hi Agric-Lad5,
Sorry I've only just spotted this - I thought Rootschat sent emails when someone replied as I haven't received any for aged and thought I'd just take a look!
It does sound like you've researched this thoroughly as you've certainly got a lot of detail on Elizabeth and James. I'm wondering whether you'd be willing to share any further details on the Marrow family - or for that matter on the Humphreys as I wonder whether Elizabeth and her first husband William had any offspring - half-siblings to Daniel and John Wrench.
Thanks very much.
Ian
PS for instance I 'know' of the following children who I assumed were all Wrenches -
- female who married a Shallcross (their son was William Shallcross born in 1855),
- my ancestor Mary (Wrench?) born in 1838-9 although given this birthdate perhaps she was born a Humphreys...
- then the 2 brothers Daniel and John Wrench born in 1857 and 1859-60 respectively. Perhaps these are the only 2 born as Wrench?
Can you shed any further light on these? Were there any other children to either marriage? Thanks.
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Hi Ian,
Just found this marriage that might be of interest:
James WRENCH, b, day labourer m Mary WALKER, sp, 11 Apr 1815 at Frodsham, both of Kingsley.
Jean
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Also, from www.cheshirebmd.org.uk, James WRENCH m Elizabeth HUMPHREYS at Frodsham St Lawrence in 1850 Ref: 125/1/381
Jean
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And this, also from www.cheshirebmd.org.uk:
James SHALLCROSS m Anne HUMPRHIES at Frodsham St Lawrence, in 1855, Ref 125/2/73
Jean
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And another, same source, James WALKER m Mary HUMPHRIES Runcorn All Saints, 1856, C12/3/73
When agric_lad comes back on maybe you will be able to sort out these families.
Jean
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Thanks very much Jean, I think you have nudged a whole load of pennies to drop! Though it will of course be interesting to see what agric_lad makes of all of this! I might even be related to him!!
If I have this right William Humphreys married Elizabeth Marrow in 1833, Elizabeth being born in 1815-16 in Norley. (By the way did you find William's dob anywhere?) This first marriage produced 2 daughters Ann and Mary Humphreys (or is it spelled Humphries?) Ann married William Shallcross in 1855 (any idea when she was born?) and had a son William Shallcross in 1855 in Acton. The other sister Mary - whom I thought was a Wrench and who is my gggran - was born in 1838-9 in Crowton and married James Walker born 1833 in Kingsley and went on to have a large family of Walkers.
So when William Humphreys died in 1839, in 1850 Elizabeth Marrow Humphreys went on to marry James Wrench who was born 1820-1 in Kingsley. They then had 2 sons Daniel born 1857 and John Wrench born 1859-60.
That's my reading of what you've found - so I suppose now I'm wondering whether there are any other Humphrey and Wrench half-siblings I'm not aware of... I'll eagerly await Agric-lad's news of further ancestors!
Thanks very much to you both,
Ian
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Hi There folks:
Yes, have got all / most of the info you need. Not sure how best to post it. Perhaps Ligurian could post his e-mail address and then I can send a gedcom file / get in touch directly.
Cheers
Agric_lad5
:)
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I am also descended from Mary Humphries - she was my gggrandmother through her daughter Eliza Walker. I think that William Humphries her father, was born 1808 in Norley. Thanke for all the info on Elizabeth's second marriage.
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Hi all
Not sure if this is relevant but I have a similar match with your Humphries/Shallcross. Not sure if it is correct or not as a match with you.
I have a James Shallcross marrying an Ann Humphries in 1855 in Frodsham. They had children William Henry, Frank, Agnes, James, Alice and Richard.
Anything match?
Gem