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Could someone please look up the 1891 Census for Queenhill, Upton on Severn district of Worcestershire
I am looking for Alfred Henry (or Harry) Bayliss born approx 1866 at Queenhill Worcs.
And if you really could spare the time a little look up on the 1871 census would be wonderful.
Thanks very much
Sue B
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Hi
This looks like him in the 1891
Heathhill Cottage
Benjamin Bayliss, head, age 62, farm labourer born Worcestershire Holdfast
Ann, age 50 born Queenhill
Henry, age 25, tradesman? born Queenhill
William, age 22?, tradesman born Queenhill
Ellen, age 20, laudress born Queenhill
Frank, age 12, scholar born Queenhill
George, age 9, scholar born Queenhill
RG12 2333
folio 76 page 6
Hope this is the right one!
Nicky
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Thank you so much for getting back so quickly - I think it is the right one and will check out the other names.
Thanks again
Sue B
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and the 1871 census
Benjamin Bayliss, head, age 40, farm labourer born Worcs Holdfast
Ann, wife, age 33 born Queenhill
John, son, age 10, born Queenhill
Arthur, son, age 8 scholar born Queenhill
Harry, son, age 5, scholar born Queenhill
William, son, age 2, born Queenhill
Ellen, daughter, age 2 months born Queenhill
RG10 3056
folio 102 page 12
Nicky
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Thank you so much you are wonderful ;D
Sue B
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Hi,
I'm interested in the Ellen Bayliss in your family. I believe she married Frank Powell in 1898 and went on to have several children by him - George, Rose, Winifred, Thomas, Ellen, William (Billey) and Frances (Francey). I am particularly interested in Rose who I believe died in childbirth in 1926.
I've sent another email to you through Tribal Pages too.
Do we have the same Ellen here? :)
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Just seen your message re. Ellen Bayliss, she was my Grandmother and Frank Powell my Grandfather. Rose is the daughter of Winifred, Franks first wife, they had 6 children including George and Rose. Winifred died and Frank remarried Ellen Bayliss in 1898 and they had another 6 children, one of whom was my mother. Are you related to the Bayliss family?
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Hi,
Thanks for replying. My relationship with the Bayliss family is right on the outskirts of my tree - but my interest in them is through Rose. I have a Rose Selina Powell who married Hastings Fitzroy Page 1st December 1921 in Paddington. Her father's name was given as Frank and his profession a Post Master. She later died in childbirth in 1926, giving birth to a boy child unnamed on the birth certificate but later called Roy or Richard. This child would be my 3rd cousin 1x removed. I have a small family bible that had been given to Hastings Fitzroy Page by his father with a note inside detailing more ancestors and their relationships that really belongs to Roy/Richard or his descendants. Is this the same Rose and if so do you know anything else about her, her brief marriage or this child?
I've tried to attached a copy of the marriage cert I have but for some reason it won't let me :(
Regards,
Linda
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Thanks for your reply. Sorry I don't know about Rose because my family is from the marriage of Frank and Ellen, but I can tell you the following, Frank Powell was a one armed man, I'm told he lost his arm in a threshing machine when working as a farm servant he then became a rural postman at Corse Lawn post office, Eldersfield, Worcestershire. He married Winifred Tracey on 18/8/1883 at The Parish Church, Bishops Cleeve, Gloucestershire. According to the 1891 census she was from Middlesex. They lived at Longdon, Worcestershire, Frank's birthplace, and had 6 children, Mary Elizabeth, Clara Elizabeth, Annie Maria, George Edward he was a Coldstream Guard and died in action on 21/10/1914 at France/Flanders aged 28. Rose Selina Powell born 9/9/1894 and Joseph Henry born 2/10/1896 he died 5/11/1897 aged 13 months. Winifred died 10/6/1897 of Phthisis Pulmonalis exhaustion (Pulmonary TB) at Longdon. Frank remarried Ellen Bayliss on 27/8/1898 and went on to have another 5/6 children. Frank Powell died 1/1/1908, whilst delivering post he fell backwards into a ditch on Eldersfield Marsh and his feet became embedded in the mud, he couldn't get out and died of exhaustion due to exposure. There was a report in the Tewkesbury Register on 4/1/1908 describing how he was found 4 hours after he was due back at the post office, by a man returning from work. Sorry I can't tell you anymore about Rose, do you know if she had a daughter Joan? If you want to know more about Frank's parents let me know. Good luck. Sorry if you've already had this msg. but this is new to me!!
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Hi Tom,
Sorry you don't know any more about Rose but what you've said about the Bayliss family is very interesting. Frank must have found it tough losing an arm so terribly but at least he found work afterwards. ...but what an awful way to die! It must have been so distressing for his remaining family. Do you mind if I add some of the information you've given me to my tree? I might be able to find out more about Rose from her siblings and I might come across them that way. I don't know if she had a daughter Joan, I only know about the son because Hastings Page remarried in 1927 and he and his new wife Agnes went to America presumably to start a new life and they took the boy with them (when I first started this I thought the boy was their child!). Agnes met someone else and left Hastings who returned to the UK with Roy/Richard in 1932. He remarried again in 1941 but where the boy was by then I don't know. It's a mystery I'm determined to solve. It was a relation of Agnes's second husband that send me the bible - it turned up in her effects on her death.
If you can tell me about Frank's parents that might also help. Sometimes going sideways and down you come across people/names/places that help add another piece to the puzzle. :)
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Hello again Linda, just had a quick look on the free mormon site - family search and saw on the 1930 USA census Hastings F. Page aged 38, Agnes M. Page aged 27, Richard Page aged 3 and a Doris Hobson aged 27 all living in Brooklyn, New York, so he must have been known as Richard. There were lots of Richard Page's but no way of knowing if it is who you are looking for. Frank Powell's parents were Edward Powell born Longdon, Worcs. around 1817 son of Thomas and Ann, he married Clara Ghist (variations of Ghrist, Guist, Grist) born around 1829 West or East Cranmore (it varies) Somerset, daughter of John and Elizabeth Ghist. Edward and Clara married 8/5/1859 at Longdon Parish Church, Worcestershire. Edward died 28/11/1893 aged 76, and sadly Clara who I couldn't find for ages died 24/12/1905 aged 70 at Upton-on-Severn Workhouse, she was there for at least 4 years as I found her on the 1901 census. These were Rose's grandparents. When Frank died in 1908 his 2nd wife Ellen (Bayliss) was expecting a baby who was born 4 months later, so she had 5/6 children to bring up on her own the others would have left by then. The first child Frank and Ellen had after his 1st wife (Rose's mum) Winifred died, they named Winifred and I can remember her. I must admit my wife does most of the research including her own, and has gone back to my 8 x Gt. Grandparents marriage in 1603 at Longdon on the Powell side who at that time had the name of Windowes, marrying into the Powell family in 1782. Feel free to use anything applicable in your family tree. Got to keep plugging away!! :)
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Thanks for the new information - and hopefully something will lead me on to discover where Richard or his descendants are now. You and your wife have certainly been busy tracing your family. I've managed to go back to the 1600's on one line of mine but only because somebody following the same line had done much of the work and I'm collaborating with others on another line that we all have an interest in. Amazing how much of a small world it can become doing this.
Hastings Fitzroy Page's family is also an interesting line in my tree and I have photos that show he was probably Anglo-Indian. He had travelled to England from Bombay in 1920 and was an organist for some time with the BBC and also playing in theatres for the "silent movies" before he married Rose. He continued this in the US whilst there as you will have seen from the census. The reason I had called the child Roy/Richard is that Agnes took the child to Belfast early in 1932 (she met her next husband on the voyage) and on that manifest he was called Roy. I do think though that as he was called Richard on the census and again when his Dad brought him back to England in October 1932 that Richard is what he probably called himself. Frustratingly though, although I know he travelled on these two journeys from the US I have not found the journey from Belfast (or wherever in the UK) back to the US. There is always more to find out.
Thanks again for your help. Good luck with your research too.
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Glad to be of a little help. My wife has been doing research for about 6 years and has a problem like yours especially with one member of her Mothers family, being Welsh you can imagine the surname problems, its like looking for a needle in a haystack!! but like you she doesn't give up. Just had a quick look on the family search site and you probably already know this but thought I'd send it anyway just in case. Hastings Fitzroy Page was born 9/4/1892 Bombay. Christened 3/4/1893 Poona, Bombay. His father was Hastings Montague Page, mother May Mary.
Hastings Montague Page was born 1860 India son of John Page, and he married May Mary Miles born around 1863 India daughter of George Raslyn Miles, they married Poona Bombay 7/1/1891. May Mary died 9/6/1926 buried 10/6/1926 Sewri, Bomba, India. There is quite a bit more on this site of the India connection, but you would know more about who is who!! Good luck - this research never ends does it!! :)
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You were right. I had already found this information - one branch of my maternal side worked for the HEIC and lived in India. Hastings Montague Page was the son of John Page and Emily Kelly. Emily was the sister of my gg-grandfather Hastings Montague Kelly. Kelly as a surname isn't the easiest in the world either!
Thank
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Sorry, bit of a blip on my laptop and the message got posted before I'd finished!!!
You were right. I had already found this information - one branch of my maternal side worked for the HEIC and lived in India. Hastings Montague Page was the son of John Page and Emily Kelly. Emily was the sister of my gg-grandfather Hastings Montague Kelly. Kelly as a surname isn't the easiest in the world either!
...and if I do ever find out anymore about Rose's son I'll let you know. Presumably he'd be a step-cousin if there is such a thing?!
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Thought you would already know what we posted last night, one last thing for now, we found the information we had been searching for for a long time on another free Commonwealth War Graves site last night, and thought it might be of interest to you, Rose's brother George's grave is at Poelcapelle British Cemetery in Belgium, and it showed the inscription as the son of Frank and Winifred Powell, and it looks as if he was married to a Annie Harper from Harlesden, London, which we hadn't realised. We had wondered why his residence was shown as Harlesden, Middlesex on the ancestry site we looked on in the library several years ago, and my maths was wrong about his age, he died in action aged 24 and he was in the 3rd battalion Coldstream Guards, it was quite emotional to see the inscription and pictures of the cemetery, but also nice to see he is commemorated. He is my step great uncle, and must be related to you as he is Rose's brother. Bye for now
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Thought you might be interested to know that I found George's marriage on Ancestry. Seems he married Emily Annie Harper, aged 24, spinster and domestic servant, at St Michael & All Saints, Willesden on 22 February 1913. Pity they had such a short time together. Emily went on to marry again on 18 Aug 1917 - husband was Frank Killer, Labourer, Corporal, 11th Middlesex Regiment, a bachelor aged 27. Not found out any more about them yet but hope she went on to have a long and happy marriage.
Linda
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Many thanks for the additional information. I had thought since my last message that they had made an error on the grave inscription putting husband of Annie Harper (formerly Powell), it should have read husband of Annie Powell (formerly Harper) but then I thought perhaps she had remarried a Harper before the memorial stone was put there as it would be some time after his death, so she would then be formerly Powell, but that is wrong as you have found out she married a Frank Killer. No they didnt have long together, thats the tragedy of war and we still have'nt learnt have we??
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Hi Linda, I've been looking through some photo's today and guess what I found a couple of Rose, plus one which says on the back Rose's baby being held by her sister, so this must be Richard!! Would be glad to send you copies if you would like them, but unsure how to do this safely without you revealing your address on line, any ideas??
Tom
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Hi Tom,
How exciting is that!!! Have private messaged you my email address and would love to see whatever you can send me.
This is the icing on the cake today because I've found evidence of a marriage in Paris for another of my relatives that I'd been searching for ages. Their first child had been born there but I had been unable to find their wedding and it was only luck that I found a website with the details. ...and now photos of Rose and possibly Richard!
Happy, happy regards,
Linda
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Hi Linda, glad you are making progress in your searches. I am sorry to tell you I haven't got a clue how to send photo's via e mail, in fact we don't use our e mail facility, so we don't receive junk mail, sorry to be so behind the times!!! Just tried to e mail you but didn't get very far, so have to reply via this site. Is there any way I can send you copies of the photo's, perhaps you have a small local post office that I could send them to for your collection, or do you have any other ideas? I bet anyone reading this will be ;D
Tom
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No problem at all Tom. I will private message you my address - I don't mind you having it at all. I have friends that are very cautious about what they put on-line but I'm afraid I get a little blasé at times although I hope I don't live to regret it! Let me know when you get to send them so I can look out for the post lady ;-).
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Will get them copied tomorrow and will post on Thursday, you should recieve them Friday with a bit of luck. My wife used to live about 50 miles from you before she moved to Wales. Bye for now.
Tom
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Hello Linda D,
I am researching Colonel Robert Kelly of the East India Company and his family because of their connection to Isabella Fordyce who married Colonel Robert Kelly's first son Robert Hawke Kelly in 1789 and became a Gothic novelist. Hastings Montague Kelly, the gr.gr.grandfather mentioned, was a younger brother of Robert Hawke Kelly. If you have any information on the Kellys from Ireland, please let me know. ...And are you by any chance Linda M. D....n, whose name I found on another site?
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Re: Hastings Montague Kelly/Emily Kelly
...and I have never heard of one Emily Kelly as being one of Hastings Montague's sisters. The children of his father Colonel Robert Kelly I could find are: Robert Hawke (c. 1759-c.1807); George Robert Abraham (c.1773-1818) and Myra (1782-1854).
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Hi Udolpho,
You are right. I made a mistake. Emily Kelly is the daughter of Hastings, not his sister. Thank you for pointing it out. ...and yes, I am probably the Linda MD from elsewhere. I've quite a lot of information on the Kellys, although mainly found on-line and in the British Library, and from other researchers that I've been in contact wth. There are a lot of us out there looking at the Kellys. Do you want to contact me directly? I will PM my email address as we may be able to share information here. I have a tree on Ancestry but I keep it private as the source information for some of my facts is vague.
Regards,
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Hi Linda,
thanks a lot, I am so glad you responded. I have been researching Isabella Kelly, née Fordyce, wife of Robert Hawke Kelly, for years because she is my favourite Gothic novelist (I am a scholar of the Gothic from Germany), and yes, I would very much like to share finds with you, though I am afraid that I may profit much more from your sources than you from mine. Anyway, there are so many errors concerning the Fordyce/Kelly circle online which i find quite misleading. family search for example lists George Robert Abraham as Isabella Kelly's husband obviously copied from Howard's Visitation of Ireland vol. 5 (1911). And of course you know about the mystery surrounding the Kelly fortune and the question why Robert Hawke, the first-born, was excluded, and what part the Hawke circle played. In her letters to the RLF Isabella Kelly is very vague, and to make matters worse, the crucial page seems to be missing. Robert's second name Hawke seems to indicate that his father may even have had a liaison with a lady of the Hawke family. Given that Colonel Robert Kelly's wife Miriam (no maiden name given) died in 1837 in Madras, India. Since Robert Hawke was born abt. 1759, this would mean that he was born abt 78 years earlier and that Miriam (if she was his mother) must have died at a very advanced age and gave birth to Robert Hawke when she was probably under 20. Or was Miriam's maiden name Hawke?
To sum it up, yes, by all means, let's continue this in private.
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Did you get my email address OK?
...and I hope I don't disappoint you. I can't give you anything to resolve the queries you have (or I do) and the information I hold may be exactly what you have already. I do have transcriptions of Colonel Robert Kelly's Will along with with the wills of sons Hastings and George R A. You have probably seen them... Anyway, I will wait for you to contact me directly. I am currently in France for a few months although I live in the UK and the only information I have to hand is what has been saved on my laptop.
Linda