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Title: Samuel James George Wand 51-91
Post by: icustosi on Wednesday 25 January 06 09:29 GMT (UK)

Hi all,
 I am looking for a Samuel James George Wand bc 1856
at Hoxton and worked for GPO. In 1881 census his wife's name would be Agnes born Camberwell. Not sure if the married before the 1871 census.
Many thanks

Val

Title: Re: Samuel James George Wand 51-91
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 26 January 06 01:26 GMT (UK)

""I am looking for a Samuel James George Wand bc 1856""

What kind of lookup are you asking for - earlier or later censuses?

Do you already have the 1881 census info - if so - would you please post FULL details as we need wifes age and birthplace plus any childrens names etc

The 1881 census can be searched free of charge at www.familysearch.org

The full 1901 census is also free at www.ancestry.co.uk

There is no Samuel Wand b Hoxton 1856 on the 1861 or 1871

Title: Re: Samuel James George Wand 51-91
Post by: icustosi on Thursday 26 January 06 01:45 GMT (UK)

I only have information on the family in 1901 -I cannot find them in 1881. so any cencus details would be very good.
Thanks  Val

1901 Census
63 Acorn Street
Samuel James George Wand, head, age 45, bagman GPO, born  1856 Hoxton
Agnes, wife, age 44 born Camberwell  bc 1857
Samuel James George, son, age 21, type writer clerk born Camberwell
Agnes M, daughter, age 23 born Camberwell
Henry A, son, age 18 born Camberwell
Stanley, son, age 12, born Camberwell
Martin Beckett son, age 7 born Camberwell

Title: Re: Samuel James George Wand 51-91
Post by: Sisterjane on Thursday 26 January 06 02:02 GMT (UK)

1861 Cencus-Shoreditch St Leonard (Sub reg districtis Hoxton Old Town
RG9/241-69

WAND(S)

James 27 head b St George,Hanover Square        Journeyman Undertaker
Mary 27 wife b Hampstead
Samuel 5 son b Shoreditch St Leonards
Mary 1 dau b               "                    "

Joe

Title: Re: Samuel James George Wand 51-91
Post by: icustosi on Thursday 26 January 06 09:58 GMT (UK)

Hi Joe,
 Many thanks for your help. I expect that being a Journeyman
James could be anywhere in 1871 but at least I have something to pass on to an 86 year old friend.
Many thanks
 Val

Title: Re: Samuel James George Wand 51-91
Post by: docwatto on Thursday 26 January 06 22:28 GMT (UK)

Hi Val

This may not help take you back any further, but I think it is a good chance that this is James in 1851:

James Wand, age 17 (b c1834 Westminster) living in St Katherine Coleman, Middlesex. Apprentice to a carpenter.

HO107/1531/227/7

Derrick

Title: Re: Samuel James George Wand 51-91
Post by: icustosi on Friday 27 January 06 06:35 GMT (UK)

Many thanks Derrick,
 Can you give me the details of the others at that address please?
Thanks again
 Val

Title: Re: Samuel James George Wand 51-91
Post by: docwatto on Friday 27 January 06 08:40 GMT (UK)

Val

This is the list as given on the census form - I find some of the relationships confusing.

London, St Katherine Coleman, 100 Fenchurch Street

William Wooding, head, widower, 48, carpenter and builder employing 7 men, Middx Edmonton

John Muick (could be Mirick or Minick), Serv, unmarried, 43, Journeyman carpenter, Middx Hackney

James Wand, Apprentice, unmarried, 17, Apprentice carpenter, Westminster

Elizabeth Muick (sp as above), blank, unmarried, 40, Housekeeper, Middx Hackney

[next page, same address]

Amy Kitson, wife, married, 34, blank, Bucks LingesWest (last is very difficult to decipher)

I guess that John and Elizabeth are siblings, but who is Amy wife to in this household?

Hope this helps

Derrick

Title: Re: Samuel James George Wand 51-91
Post by: CaroleW on Friday 27 January 06 14:09 GMT (UK)

Hi

I have just found them on the 1891 transcribed as WARD and all shown born London (no district)

1 Chatham Rd Newington

Samuel 35 Post office official
Agnes 34
Agnes M A 13
Samuel J G 11
Henry A 8
Gertrude S 5
Stanley H 2
Millicent S 1 (presumably died pre-1901)


RG12/357 Folio: 62  Page: 42

Title: Re: Samuel James George Wand 51-91
Post by: icustosi on Friday 27 January 06 22:01 GMT (UK)

Many Thanks Derrick and Carol,
 Seems to be a mystery family as Martin , I am told  by my friend,  was adopted but seems to have been taken in by another, unkown, member of the family who moved to the south of England with an Antique shop in the family and Martin joined the Merchant Navy at some stage.
Thanks again Val

Title: Re: Samuel James George Wand 51-91
Post by: Turnaround61 on Sunday 23 August 15 22:11 BST (UK)

Hi Val,

Hope you and your friend are still interested in this query - I have just come across your posts and am investigating this branch of the Wand family in connection with my own.
I have a copy of a will for a Nancy Reily (nee Chown) who quotes Samuel as being her nephew (although I believe he is her great nephew). I believe Samuel's parents were James Wand & Mary (nee Ruggles) and his grandparents to be James Wand & Sarah (possibly Sarah Chown sister of Nancy).

Kind Regards,

Andrew

Title: Re: Samuel James George Wand 51-91
Post by: dawnsh on Monday 07 September 15 15:02 BST (UK)

Hi Andrew

Welcome to Rootschat  ;D

I'm sorry Val has not replied, she hasn't been online here since 2013 but should have received an email notification that you had posted.

I'll send her a personal message to let her know.

Dawn

Title: Re: Samuel James George Wand 51-91
Post by: icustosi on Monday 19 August 19 08:07 BST (UK)

Thanks everyone
 val