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Reading an old certificate is it louth lodge or south lodge Dunmore.Any help please. Thanx
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Reading an old certificate is it louth lodge or south lodge Dunmore.Any help please. Thanx
Hiya Breen,
Could you post the certificate onto this thread so that members may have a look, please?
Would I be right in assuming the Lodge was a house?
Chris.
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Hi,
it is Louth Lodge, but on official documents it is Lissybroder.
Chris
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HI FOLKS
You are correct it is Louth Lodge .My Grand mother Sabina Henahan was born in Louth Lodge Dunmore in May 1864 to a Patrick Henahan and a Mary Lyons. She married James Lyons and died in Castle Street Dunmore in March 1893 giving birth to my late Dad Patrick Lyons. I'm still a little puzzled was Louth Lodge a row of cottages?
Thank you for taking the time to respond.
Breen
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HI Breen,
I have never heard of there being a row of cottages in Louth Lodge. However there was an Augistinian Hermitage at Mayfield or Louth Lodge, which is about half a mile outside the town. There is a mention of the history of Louth Lodge in Fr J Neary's "On the History and Antiquities of the Parish of Dunmore" on page 99. Link to the book is attched.
http://www.archive.org/stream/OnTheHistoryAndAntiquitiesOfTheParishOfDunmoreByRev.J.Neary#page/n7/mode/2up
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HI
I cant tell you how grateful I am for your last post.I have been searching for information on Louth Lodge since 1971.I have searched the web and visited Dunmore on a number of occasions withot getting anywhere.Thanks once again for your help. Another part of the puzzle found.The moral is never give up.
Thanks
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Hi,
In my family tree, I have the Heneghans of Louth Lodge too. My great grandmother was Bridget Heneghan whose brother was Patrick Heneghan and her mother was Sabina Heneghan who was age 75 on the 1911 Census. My mother has pointed out the house to me that her grandmother came from which I assume is Louth Lodge, its a lovely detached two storey house (derelict now) but still standing on the Clonbern Road, as far as I can remember its on th first sharp left bend when you leave Dunmore. If you want to look on http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie check Sabina Heneghan, Quarter (Dunmore South, Galway). Let me know, if we are on the same Heneghan household.
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Hi Brigetta,
I know the house you speak of very well. It is derelict now, and is on that sharp bend. I will take a photo of it sometime for you.
On your ancestory, I have located the following Heneghans in Lissybroder (which is the documentary name for Louth Lodge; Quarter is the neighbouring townland).
These are baptisimal records from the Catholic Parish of Dunmore, records are on microfiche in the National Laibrary of Ireland in Dublin.
July 29 1838 Brigit Heneghan, parents Denis & Mary (Mullin)
Apr 28 1838 Mary Heneghan, parents James & Brigit (Lyons)
Jan 18 1834 Peter Heneghan, parents Thomas & Brigit (Lyons)
(Townland for this last record I think is Lissybroder, but is very smudged, almost unreadable).
I hope this may be of value to you.
Chris
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Hi,
In my family tree, I have the Heneghans of Louth Lodge too. My great grandmother was Bridget Heneghan whose brother was Patrick Heneghan and her mother was Sabina Heneghan who was age 75 on the 1911 Census. My mother has pointed out the house to me that her grandmother came from which I assume is Louth Lodge, its a lovely detached two storey house (derelict now) but still standing on the Clonbern Road, as far as I can remember its on th first sharp left bend when you leave Dunmore. If you want to look on http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie check Sabina Heneghan, Quarter (Dunmore South, Galway). Let me know, if we are on the same Heneghan household.
Hello My name is Martin Heneghan and my father Denis was born in Loud Lodge in Dunmore.His Mother was Bridget Heneghan nee Mannion,she was my grandmother.
She was married to Patrick Heneghan originally from Partry co Mayo.
I have a photograph of her which i would be able to scan and sent to you.
My father was not born in the House that you see today,that was constructed in the 1930.there was a little cottage type house which has since been knocked which was to the right of the house close to the bend in the road that you had mentioned that he was born in.
Who is your mother,if Bridget is her grandmother,then i am sure that i know you.
Sabina Heneghan would be your great great grandmother and was originally from Partry,Co Mayo.
Please get in contact with me if you require more information
Thanks
Martin
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Hello Martin,
My great grandmother was Bridget Heneghan who was Patrick's sister. She married James Kielty and they lived in Shanballymore, Dunmore and went on to have eight children. One of them Mary Ellen Kiellty married Michael Flaherty (my grandparents) who settled in Rockfort, Irishtown. They had four children, one of whom was Nora Flaherty who married Peter Collins and they lived in Cashel, Boyounagh, Glenamaddy. I am their youngest daughter, Bridgetta. I am currently doing a family tree on MyHeritage.com and finding it very interesting. Do you know what Sabina Heneghan's maiden name was? My mother will be 84 this year so her memory is n't as good as it used to be but she has helped a lot with all my info so and remembers a good bit of the Heneghan side of things. If you let me have your e-mail address, I can send you an invite to join the family tree from MyHeritage.com. I have just been talking to my sister who actually think she remembers your father, Denis, calling to our house when my grand-aunt, Julie Kielty, died in 1973. She thinks he lived in Ballymoe at the time but she may be imagining this. If you can scan in the photo of your grandmother, I'd love to see it. My direct e-mail is (*).
Thanks
Bridgetta ;)
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Hello Brigetta,
My father Denis lived in Ballymoe,He had a Pub there until we sold in 1990 and moved to Galway city.My mom had mentioned at one point that Denis had an aunt that lived in Kilkerrin and had a store there.
Bill Heneghan was the historian in our family,unfortunetly thry have all passed.
When my father passed away in 1996,Bill came out to see me that summer.He spoke to my wife and told her the family history.Sabina Heneghan Patrick's Mother was originally from Partry in Co Mayo as was her Husband Patrick also.
Not sure when they came to Dunmore,Sabina' maiden name was also Heneghan.Partry is quite a stronghold for Heneghan's and there are still a lot of Heneghans there today.I know that Patrick Senior worked for the local landlord there and i remember Simon another brother of Denis mentioning a Captain Martin.There is a ruin that you can see from the Heneghan house a hugh 2 story house and this was Captain House.if i remember the stroy correctly,it was the landlord that brought Denis senior to Dunmore to work for him,not sure of the year but i do know that Patrick-Bridget was born circa 1863
Please stay in touch
Martin Heneghan
Hello Martin,
My great grandmother was Bridget Heneghan who was Patrick's sister. She married James Kielty and they lived in Shanballymore, Dunmore and went on to have eight children. One of them Mary Ellen Kiellty married Michael Flaherty (my grandparents) who settled in Rockfort, Irishtown. They had four children, one of whom was Nora Flaherty who married Peter Collins and they lived in Cashel, Boyounagh, Glenamaddy. I am their youngest daughter, Bridgetta. I am currently doing a family tree on MyHeritage.com and finding it very interesting. Do you know what Sabina Heneghan's maiden name was? My mother will be 84 this year so her memory is n't as good as it used to be but she has helped a lot with all my info so and remembers a good bit of the Heneghan side of things. If you let me have your e-mail address, I can send you an invite to join the family tree from MyHeritage.com. I have just been talking to my sister who actually think she remembers your father, Denis, calling to our house when my grand-aunt, Julie Kielty, died in 1973. She thinks he lived in Ballymoe at the time but she may be imagining this. If you can scan in the photo of your grandmother, I'd love to see it. My direct e-mail is (*).
Thanks
Bridgetta ;)
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HI Folks
I have a Birth Certificate for my Grandmother born at louth Lodge Dunmore in 1854 ,she was called Sabina Henehan and she
DIED giving birth to my Father in Castle Street Dunmore in March 1893. I have a copy of her Death Certificate.
In the Griffiths Valuation for Dunmore 1854 there are two Farmers callled Henehan @ Heneghan.Patrick Henehan lived in LISSYBRODER (Louth Lodge) and on the evidence .I think he is my Great Grandfather .His wife was called Mary Lyons and it appears there were six Farms in Lissybroader at the 1854 valuation.
I think they had two other children apart from Sabina. One was called Martin,but I cant find the note I made on this subject
Breen
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Hello,
I have been researching my family tree and am trying to piece together final links. Anne Heneghan nee Warde lived in Quater, Dunmore, Co. Galway. She was married to Thomas Heneghan, both have sadly passed away. It would be great to know where Anne was from?
Thanks
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Hi Greenleaf
Which period are you talking about
Breen
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HI Folks
I have a Birth Certificate for my Grandmother born at louth Lodge Dunmore in 1854 ,she was called Sabina Henehan and she
DIED giving birth to my Father in Castle Street Dunmore in March 1893. I have a copy of her Death Certificate.
In the Griffiths Valuation for Dunmore 1854 there are two Farmers callled Henehan @ Heneghan.Patrick Henehan lived in LISSYBRODER (Louth Lodge) and on the evidence .I think he is my Great Grandfather .His wife was called Mary Lyons and it appears there were six Farms in Lissybroader at the 1854 valuation.
I think they had two other children apart from Sabina. One was called Martin,but I cant find the note I made on this subject
Breen
Hi Breen,
there is a grave in Dunmore Cemetery as follows: Michael Lyons, Castle St died 15 Dec 1967 age 63, and Mary (nee Grehan) died 4 Oct 2002 Age 88.
I do not know the family, but will try to find some information for you.
Chris
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I have found a marriage record in the National Liabrary as follows:
Jan 23 1834 James Heneghan married Brigit Lyons.
No townland is specified, but it is safe to assume it was Louth Lodge, as there are Lyons & Heneghans in that townland in great numbers.
I hope this is of help to someone.
Chris
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Hello,
I have been researching my family tree and am trying to piece together final links. Anne Heneghan nee Warde lived in Quater, Dunmore, Co. Galway. She was married to Thomas Heneghan, both have sadly passed away. It would be great to know where Anne was from?
Thanks
Hi Greenleaf - Quarter is a neighbouring townland to Louth Lodge. And there are Wardes & Heneghans to this day in Louth Lodge. It was customary for people to marry locally, so it is very possible that Anne is from the area also.
Do you have any dates?
Chris
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Hi CHRIS
Re the lyons family in Castle Street.
The very first time I visited Dunmore was in 1971 .Up to that time I had taken very little interest in my Ancestors but My Father had just died that year and my work brought me to Ireland and I made a short visit to Dunmore to discover my roots
I managed to spent a very pleasent time in a bar which was also a grocer shop on the main square .During my brief stay I was introduced to two old men who also lived on the square and they told me they had been members of the Old I R A..We drank several pints together and they told me stories about being on the run in Connemara and how they fought the Black @ Tans They also claimed to have known my father and said He might have got shot if he returned home because he was a British soldier in the First World War
I was told a family of Lyons still lived in Castle Street and knocked on the door but the lady of the house said she did not know anything and her husband was dead
Dan
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Hi Breen,
there was a very big twilight zone in Ireland around the time of the War if Independence and Civil War. There were many Irishmen who fought in the British Army arounf that time, and when they returned home (IF they COULD return home) they were despised by fellow Irishmen, and despised by the Black & Tans just for being Irish. It was a very bad time in our history.
Louth Lodge: I asked an old school teacher of mine (well she's not really old yet, but retired from teaching now) about the row of cottages. There is a row of houses still in Louth Lodge that were once just plain cottages but have been modernised in the last 30 - 40 years. There is only one of the original cottages remaining.
I have found a map of Dunmore from 1929, and will scan it and put up here (if I can) the image with Quarter, Lissybroder (Louth Lodge) outlined, and the location of the derilict 2 storey house and a picture of the house as it is today.
Chris
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My grandfather was born in Dunmore House, Dunmore. which belonged to his mother's family, being the home of William Downes Griffith, a barrister. He apparently had 900 acres and I was wondering if Dunmore House stills exists and if anyone had a photograph of it.
Many thanks for any help.
Yours Tompion
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Hi Tompion,
Dunmore House is still standing, but is derelict now. It is in the centre of The Dunmore Demesne Golf Club. There are many phots of it, but I have to root them out, will scan them and email them to you.
Chris
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Thanks Chris - what a shame it is now derelict but interested in seing any photos you have. Yours Tompion
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Hi All,
I see the thread on Louth Lodge goes back some years. Louth Lodge (sometimes referred to as South Lodge, but this can be assumed to be a typo error) was in the townland of Lissbroder. It was owned by John Bodkin of Castletown, who left it to his second son, Dominick George Bodkin. DG Bodkin was resident at Louth Lodge for at least 25 years until his death in 1824. After that, it seems the house was abandoned.
As the Bodkins remained Catholic, they were not allowed (by the penal laws) to buy land, so rather they took long leases on a couple of thousand acres and acted as middlemen and farmers in the locality. They did own some lands, pre-dating the confiscations, Lissybroder being one of their own.
From the 1820s-40s, these Bodkins were involved in numerous law cases, sued on all sides by creditors and relations who had lent money in the past. Lissybroder was sold in the Encumbered Estates Acts around 1851.
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Welcome to RootsChat, DJBM :)
I don't have anything to add about Dunmore on this old thread, but this is the map for the townland of Lissybroder. Quarter townland is to the west and Dunmore Demesne townland further to the north.
https://www.townlands.ie/galway/dunmore/dunmore/dunmore-south/lissybroder/
KG
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At the time of Griffith's Valuation John Bodkin owned three townlands in the parish of Dunmore, barony of Ballymoe, which were advertised for sale by Thomas James Bodkin in 1864, with Ballydoogan and the islands in the barony of Kilconnell. John Samuel Barrett of Greenhills, was the purchaser of some of these lots. The representatives of Thomas J. Bodkin are recorded as holding over 350 acres in county Galway in the 1870s. In 1808 John Bodkin of Bingarra married Margaret Bodkin of Annagh and their grandson Martin Bodkin inherited the Annagh estate, barony of Clare, following the death of his cousin Robert Bodkin of Annagh in 1881.
http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=1052
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Thank you for the welcome, KG and for the other info.
John Bodkin of Castletown (my paternal x6 grandfather) left a big estate to his two sons, John Dominick and Dominick George. JD seems to have received a considerably larger portion as his first son). Dominick George, born around 1770, was in the army for a while and from 1810 to 1824 is listed in various almanacs as resident at variously South Lodge or Louth Lodge - the initial notes for these almanacs would have been taken by hand, so it is likely in the printing process the 'L' became and 'S' in a couple of cases.
Dominick George died in 1824 and after that, I cannot find much trace of Louth Lodge. I notice in the area there is a Lought Lodge...which is further along the Clonbern Road. Perhaps this has also morphed over the years.
Dominic George's three children Elizabeth, Mary and Thomas James (b.1801) inherited what was left of his estate (which was heavily indebted, sold off by 1830). The two girls took sizeabe dowries while Thomas James retained around 350 acres in the Castletown/Tullyinadaly area. Thomas James married a Jane Keaveny and they had 15 children most of whom emigrated, two daughters marrying locally and one of them, Mary Catherine, marrying my great-great grandfather, Nicholas Mahon.
The other daughter, by the way, married a local businessman, Mr. Costello and one of their children Dr. Thomas Bodkin Costello was the doctor to the Tuam Babies Home throughout the terrible years we have recently learnt about.
None of Thomas James' children were interested in returning from their exciting lives in the US and Australia, so the remaining 350 acres were sold shortly after Thomas James' death in 1881.
One of Thomas James' sons was Dominic Fursey Bodkin, a leading Christian Brother in Australia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominic_Fursey_Bodkin
Another intersting side note is that these Bodkins were closely related to the infamous Bodkin Murders of 1741: John Bodkin of Castletown, the founder of the dynasty, married Mary Catherine Bodkin, the daughter of the sole survivor of the Bodkin Murders:
http://places.galwaylibrary.ie/history/chapter77.html