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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Essex Lookup Requests => Essex => England => Essex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: dorbrin on Sunday 22 January 06 21:48 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I wonder if someone can help me with a look up please. I have a JOHN NIGHTINGALE who is on the 1841 Essex Census HO107/338/29. Can anyone tell me the address of where he was living at that time, would it be West Street? I am trying to connect him to my Nightingale/Oxley family who lived in West Street Harwich on later censuses.
Many thanks
Dorothy
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1841 Weeley HO107 338_29 21 p9
West Street
John Nightingale, 76, Schoolmaster
Appears to be staying with John & Matilda Lee family, Baker
All b. Essex
Regards CP
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1841 Weeley HO107 338_29 23 p13
West Street
Samuel Nightingale, 44, Glazier
Rachael Nightingale, 42
Samuel Nightingale, 20, Glazier J
Elizabeth Nightingale, 16
Robert Nightingale, 11
Charlotte Nightingale, 9
Rachael Nightingale, 7
Mary Nightingale, 4
Leah Nightingale, 2
All b. Essex
Regards CP
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CP
Many, many thanks for this information. It is very much appreciated
Dorothy
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CP can I just ask you please, on the 1841 census where it says WEELEY is this still Harwich?
Thx
Dorothy
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No, Weeley is village, roughly central to Tendring district.
http://www.multimap.com/map/home.cgi?client=public&lang=&advanced=&db=GB
and enter Weeley in the "find" box, top left.
Regards CP
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I have found Harwich.
It is under Dovercourt and also St Nicholas.
Found West Street - but it will take a while to search.
The ref is HO107 344_19
CP
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Thx CP
So do you think West Street Harwich and West Street Weeley are one and the same on the 1841?
Much appreciated
Dorothy
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So do you think West Street Harwich and West Street Weeley are one and the same on the 1841?
No.
I searched Borough of Harwich, Parish of St Nicholas
HO107 344_19 and 344_20 (except military)
This includes West Street and surrounding area.
No Nightingale or Oxley found.
What do you know, and what would you like to know?
Regards CP
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Hi CP
Many thanks again.
It is a longstanding mystery. My Esther Storry Nightingale married Robert Oxley in Harwich in 1846. They were both born in Whitby. It is Esther's father John Nightingale I am trying to find?? Have been for many, many years. He married in Whitby in 1807 and he was a sailor that is all I know about him. He wasn't born in Whitby. Esther was in Whitby on the 1841 census then she and Robert moved to Harwich and married, Robert Oxley was also a sailor, so maybe they moved to Harwich to be with his ship I don't know. I know what happened to the Oxley's and I have found all their children.
When I saw John Nightingale living on West Street I thought it was too much of a coincidence, as I know Esther and her family lived for a long time at 21 West Street, Harwich, that is why I wondered if the West Street John was living on was the same. I know he was a schoolteacher on the census, but he could have become that in later life after he finished at sea. I think he was Royal Navy, but that is it.
Many thanks for your time
Dorothy
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Just some quick thoughts:
IGI Extracted Record Baptism Batch C007742
Esther Storry Nightingale
26 Nov 1822, Whitby, Yorkshire
Parents: John & Mary Nightingale
Same batch, same parents:
Mary Ann Nightingale
7 Feb 1822, Whitby, Yorkshire
Other children, same batch:
Parents: John & Elizabeth Nightingale
John, 1836
Benjamin, 1838
Maria Carling Nightingale, 1841
Adam, 1844
William, 1844
I wondered if it was the same John Nightingale;
Mary died and he married Elizabeth?
Possible for both marriages are on IGI.
Benjamin, Maria and William are with grandparents in 1851.
Assume you know all this, but I have to mention it.
Regards CP
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Hi CP
Many thanks for this. I have all those. Unfortunately I think the John Nightingale who married Maria Carling was born 1809 the son of William Nightingale of Whitby. It is a possibility that William was John's brother as he wasn't born in Whitby, there is also an Anne and a Thomas, all, including my John married in Whitby within a few years of each other.
Many thanks for trying
Dorothy
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Hi, not an answer to your question as the info i am about to share goes up in time (after 1885), but perhaps the files deliver some new addresses/locations, i've read the address you mentioned but if i'm remembering correct there were others too.
In Antwerp exist old alienfiles of a few Oxley's from Harwich:
File N° 481#43099
OXLEY Thomas °21 feb 1858 Harwich
Clerk
His parents:
Robert °in 1822 Whitby
Esther Storry NIGHTINGALE °in 1822 Whitby
Previous address abroad: Harwich, West Street N°21
Arrivaldate in Antwerp,Belgium 3 Jan 1880. He carried as proof of his ID a birthcertificate, delivered in Harwich 6 march 1880.
Filedate 24 mar 1880
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His wife:
Sarah-Anne LAWRENCE
°15 apr 1858 London
Housewife
Her parents:
Francis Adolph °in 1822 London
Mary-Anne LEWIS °Harwich (died before arrival/filedate (Feb 1883))
Previous address abroad: Harwich, Macdonough Terace, Maritime House
Arrivaldate in Antwerp,Belgium 2 Nov 1882. She carried as proof of her ID a marriagerecord, delivered in Harwich.
Filedate 27 Feb 1883
Sadly no more info than this.
But there are others mentioned in the database, like a child from above mentioned people:
File: 481#119637: Oxley Thomas Victor 27/04/1885 Harwich (parents Thomas& Sarah Lawrence -both stayed in Gent,Belgium)
and a few more:
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481#56758 Oxley Robert 22/12/1851/2? (St.Nicholas?) Harwich (died before march 1907)
" married Merry SEDGER °22 may 1848 (St.George?) London,
Children;
" Oxley Mable Lillian °1884 "
" Oxley Alice Maude °1878 "
" Oxley Ethel Gertrude °1876 "
" Oxley Elisabeth Esther °1874 "
" Oxley Thomas-Sedger °1882 Harwich***
(married 31jul1912 Ely-Cambridge to Rosa HUCKLE (her parents John & Caroline SIMSSKENS, 2children; Violet Mable °1917 & Sedger Huckle °1914)
" Oxley Robert-William-Nightingale °24/06/'80 "
(married 18aug1903 in Antwerp with Alice Leontine ANDREIKOVITZ-they prob. moved to Rotterdam in aug.1914-maybe to 1919 (WWI) or 1934(?), not sure.
They def. came back because there is a police record in year1934 where he stated he payed for a new passport but didn't received a paymentticket as proof because he had still a backlog of taxes)
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481#145857*** Oxley Thomas Sedger 10/06/1882 Harwich
" " Sedger Huckle 20/02/1914 Antwerp
" " Violet Mable 28/07/1917 Ely-Cambridge
***see above
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481#61703 Oxley Esther Marie °in may 1850 Harwich
(married 25 Dec.1879 in Harwich with BROWN Carrington °Oct.1854 (his father was: Carrington °Dovercourt), 2children; Brown Marie-Gertrude °1882 & William Nightingale °1886)
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968#30416 Oxley Hugh Kenneth Howard 31/08/1917 *Not online view-able
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Sources:
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Direct link to 1st mentioned people/file 481#43099: https://felixarchief.antwerpen.be/detailpagina?invnr=481_43099&dtnr=100_2962&dtrecordid=154343&page=1&pageSize=10&type=copy&view=thumb
Links to databases of the cityarchive of Antwerp:
📌 Source 1
cityarchive FELIXARCHIVE in Antwerp:
https://felixarchief.antwerpen.be/detailtoegang/100/2962?page=1&pageSize=10&filters=W3sic2VhcmNoVHlwZVRleHQiOiJjb250YWlucyIsInNlYXJjaFR5cGVEYXRlIjoibWF0Y2giLCJmaWVsZElkIjoiMCJ9XQ%3D%3D
>look at 3 columns:
1st select in the first column: 'FAMILIENAAM' (Surname)
2nd 'BEVAT' (contains) and
3rd type a piece of a surname + Enter
*Example: 'DOMBR' instead of Dombrowski so you get variants: Dombrawsky, Dombrovsky, Dombrovskys, Dombrowski, Dombrowsky, Dombrowicz (!)
**Also 'Y' or 'IJ' gives gives a difference, try out both (!) Ex.: Zwijsen/Zwysen
***If a file is Not public via the above link, it's an option to try out familysearch, it is possible the file is publicly published there (files up to number nr. 214920-214980, 1925-1930 are published on Familysearch)
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📌 Source 2 via familysearch:
(look at the filenumbers first, some are the same as in the above database via Felixarchive(!))
► Step 1 INDEX; only remember the filenumber
TIP: search firstnames with a wildcard '*' = A* H* for Anthony Henry so you get variants like Antoon Henri, Antonius Henricus etc.
www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1477769?collectionNameFilter=false
► Step 2 FILENUMBERS;
look for the link where your needed filenumber in fits and browse through the microfilm *notice that filenumbers are written in the top-left-corner so you can follow where you are on the microfilm between files. www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https://familysearch.org/recapi/sord/collection/2023926/waypoints
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Guide and more info about the archive in Antwerp, look at the geni project (in Dutch and English - select language button below the title/ left from the project photo)
www.geni.com/projects/Belgium-Antwerp-Police-Immigration-files/43538
I strongly advise to try out other familynames in the database, who knows...
Good luck
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