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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: philipsearching on Friday 20 January 06 19:36 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for the family of John and Hannah BOWBRICK. They have a son William (born 1833 Southwark).
Could some wonderful person tell me where they were in 1841 and if they had any other children with them?
Many thanks in advance
Philip
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Hi Philip,
I can't find a Bowbrick, or a similar sounding name in the London 1841 census.
Cissellby.
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Many thanks for looking.
This family is driving me potty! There are one or two in Southwark 1851, more in 1861 and yet more in 1871, - mostly claiming to have been born in Southwark from c1830 onwards. AAAAAAAARGHH!!! :( ??? :'(
The search goes on! - maybe this is my (Bow)brick wall!
Philip
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1841
NOAH'S ARK ALLEY, ST SAVIOUR, SOUTHWARK, SURREY
JOHN BOWBRICK 25 HAT DYER YES
MARIA " 25 "
JOHN " 4 "
ELIZER " 2 "
JAMES " 19 SMITH "
HENRY " 12 "
WILLIAM " 10 "
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Gives you something to work on.............
Bryant
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Bryant, you are a star! Many, many thanks.
Philip
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hi im very new to all this i am a bowbrick and can trace back to a henry john bowbrick born in rainham essex 1838 can you help or give me any clues im sure a connection to southwark but cant finf it thanks
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Hallo, Bowbrick, and a warm welcome to Rootschat.
I suspect there is a link between the Southwark and Rainham Bowbricks, but I haven't found it yet.
I have been concentrating on other family lines recently, but I will have another look at my Bowbrick notes and see if there is anything that might be of use to you.
All the best
Philip
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Hi my greatgreatgrand father was born in Camberwell in Surrey in 1815,he was Henry John Bowbrick,he married Jane Flisher in 1837,his father was Thomas Bowbrick and i believe he married a Sarah Charman but i haven't confirmed this also I don't have any of Henry 's siblings.I do know that Henry and Jane had 8 children one of whom was my great grandfather Henry John Bowbrick born 1838, can anyone help me with any of this please.
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Hi just to amend my previous message slightly.It is possible my Thomas married a Sarah but it was not Charmam as this is a different line in a different area.Also his son Henry John Bowbrick 1815 married Jane Flisher inSt Olave in Southwark in1837,Henry was born in Camberwell Surrey. Then their son Henry John was born in1838 in Rainham in Essex.I hope this Helps the other Bowbrick searching for the connection with Southwark.
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Hi Elizabeth,
Would love to hear from you, i am related through Jane Flisher Henry's wife....
Daizi
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Hi,my direct line is the Bowbrick family,but Jane Flisher was my great-greatgrandmother,i was lucky enough to have a lot of contact on Genes Reunited with the Flisher family so have been able to get plenty of information.Also my father had a lot of original papers for my grandfather and greatgrandfather.It would be great to hear more from you ,if there is anything i can tell you that may help then let me know also hopefully you may have some info that i don't have, look forward to hearing from you,Best Regards Elizabeth.
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So far I have the following information:
John BOWBRICK m Hannah (possibly 28/01/1805 Hannah LOWMAN born in Bristol)
Children were:
Mary Ann bapt 21/09/1806
Hannah b 15/06/1810 m Samuel SKEATS
Jane b 18/05/1812
John b c1816 m Maria. Hat dyer in 1841 census
James b c1823
Eliza b 09/11/1826
Henry b 21/06/1829 d 1899 m 14/08/1853 Jane Hannah KIDDELL
William b 27/11/1831 m Elizabeth CRISPIN
John and Maria's children were:
John b c1837
Eliza b c1839
Henry and Jane's children were:
Hannah b c1861
Alice b c1864
Louisa b c1873
William and Elizabeth's children were:
Eliza b c1850
Ellen b 02/09/1852 d 17/02/1918 m 19/09/1870 Charles William BASFORD
George b c1860 m Maria
William Robert b 13/02/1866 m Emily
I ran into difficulties with Henry and Jane before concluding that there were two couples. I don't yet have a definite connection with Jane FLISHER.
All the best
Philip
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Hi again Daizi,just to update on Henry 1815,since i last came on here i have confirmed that my G,G,Greatgrandfather Thomas did marry Sarah Charman on 25/3/1801 inCranley Surrey,also Henry had at least one sibling he was Thomas William,born 27/8/1811, he married Martha Ann James on 21/10/1833 in Isleworth. I am not sure of our connection but even if it is not a close enough connection for you it may help someone else,look forward to hearing from you ,Best Regards Elizabeth
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Hi Phillip,This is definitely a different line,possible cousins maybe,Henry John Bowbrick born 1815 married Jane Flisher ,their oldest son Henry John born 1838, my great grandfather married Mary Ann Sullivan,this Henry served in the royal navy,of the several ships he served on 2 of them were H.M.S.Warrior and also the Victory.We have the original ships papers,then their oldest son again Henry John born1865 married a widow Alice Atkins in 1894,he served in the army and the navy and lived all of his life in Portsmouth. My next research is hopefully to find out a bit more about Thomas and Sarah as i have no date of birth for them or their parents history,Regards Elizabeth.
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Hi Philip & Elizabeth,
I have been tracing my ancestry on the Bowbrick lineand recently came across your notes.
Henry John Bowbrick who married Jane Flisher were my GGG Grandparents, my GG Grandfather Thomas Joseph Wilson married Sarah Edwards Bowbrick whose father and mother were Henry John and Jane.
I would be very interested in sharing any information. I recently found information on Henry Bowbrick serving in the Royal Navy on HMS Warrior who was the older brother of Sarah which again confirms the link between us.
Look forward to hearing from you both
Regards
Andy
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Hi Andy 28,
Great to hear from you, can you tell me when Sarah Edwards Bowbrick was born, as i have a Sarah as the grand-daughter of Henry and Jane Bowbrick .
Although I have the names of 8 children being born to Jane and Henry , I don't have a Sarah. If you could let me know the date I'll check and get back to you.
Best regards Elizabeth
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Hi Elizabeth,
Sarah Edwards Bowbrick was 22 when she was married on 4th May 1874 so she was born 1852, she was married in the parish church of Cheriton and lived in Sandgate, Kent.
On the marriage certificate her father was Henry John Bowbrick whose profession was clerk.
I do not have a copy of her birth certificate at this point.
If you have any further info that would be great.
Regards
Andy
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Hi Andy, Your info on Sarah is obviously right so that is another name to add to my list. My direct line on my paternal side is Bowbrick so i am lucky enough to have some original certificates,so the majority of my info is pretty good, anyway here goes, i will start as far back on my line as i have got , i may have to do it in a couple of stages ,but then you may already have some of this.
Thomas Bowbrick married Sarah Charman 25 March 1801 in Cranley Surrey, no dates of birth for these two at the moment, only children i have are Thomas William b 27/8/1811, christened 12/2/1812 at St George the Matyr. Henry John born 2/2/1815 born Camberwell Surrey, christened 28/9/1828 at St Giles Camberwell.Thomas married Martha Ann James on 21/10/1833 in Isleworth.
Henry married Jane Flisher on25/2/1837,I have a copy of their marrage cert.On the Flisher line i have got back to 1640 so if at a later date you want anything on that line i do have quite a bit.Henry and Jane's children are ,
Henry John 29/11/1838, b Rainham, Ann 1840 b Rainham, William 9/10/1841 b Shoreditch, Edward Charles 25/3/1843 b Camberwell, Stephen 1845 b Sandgate, George 1846 b Sandgate, Esther 1848 b Sandgate, I have just found Sarah on my list no date of birth only a christening date which is 7/12/1851 ? Also i have Jane baptised 9/10/1835, who was the oldest of Henry/Jane children. If you want me to carry on down the line with Henry John's marriage let me know best regards Elizabeth
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Hi Andy, I left out on the last bit that the Henry i mean is the one born 1838 who was my great grandfather, so i do have a lot of info on him.
best regards Elizabeth.
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Hi Elizabeth,
This is great news, my granfather, who was called Cyril Thomas Bowbrick Wilson, never knew where the bowbrick came from in his lifetime, I found out the bowbrick conection was his grandmother's maiden name and now I can see why he had Thomas Bowbrick as Thomas was his grandmothers father. I am interested in finding out anything on the Bowbrick line and the Flishers.
Any orginal documents would also be good to see. Maybe at some point in the future we could meet up, I live in Kent. In the meantime, just to fill you in a little more on Sarah Edwards Bowbrick, she married Thomas Joseph Wilson (my gg.grandfather)who was at the time a corporal in the 99th Regiment of Foot, in 1879 Sarah accompanied her huspand to South Africa where his regiment was involved in the Zulu War, my g.grandfather was born while they were out there..!!
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Hi Andy,That would be fine i live in Portsmouth so it is not too far . It would probable be easier if you would like copies of anything i have.
Here is a bit more anyway, the next in my line is Henry John b 1838-1902, he was my great grandfather , as you already know amongst many ships he served on were the Warrior and the Victory, my oldest brother has the original ships papers, the majority of his life was spent at sea but still managed to have 7 children so here goes. The oldest who was my grandfather was Henry John b 1865-c1928, Michael b 1868, Mary Ann 1872, Sarah b 1874, Georgina b 1878, Esther b 1880, Stephen b 1885, all born in Portsmouth. Their mother was Mary Ann Sullivan b 1840-1906 in Scilly Ireland, my cousin has visited this place and seems to think she may have come over during the potato famine, as a baby about 1843. My grand father married Alice Phillips nee Atkins in Portsmouth on the 3/1/1894, they had 4 children, Henry b 1895/1896, John(jack) b 1897-1985, Alice b c 1900- c1906, then my father George Michael b 1903-1991.My grandfather Henry 1865 was also in the navy but was also in the army, we also have some of his papers, stillthat is another story. I have only been doing my family tree for 18 months and the last 6 months i haven't done much at all , I have had a lot of help from other people on genes re-united especially with the Flisher family , i will do that tomorrow, i hope this has been reasonable clear Andy ,i'll send more soon. Best regards Elizabeth.
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Portsmouth is not far at all, funny enough my daughter has applied to go to portsmouth university as her first choice which she hopes to start this September.
Like you I go in fits and starts on the family history, it's great when you add little snippets. I have always loved the history of Portsmouth, Nelson, HMS Victory and it was amazing when I discovered the link with HMS Warrior and my GG. Uncle Henry John Bowbrick and now to find that he actually served time on the Victory is even better.
Thank you for this additional info, I guess this makes us cousins third time removed or something like that
The next thing would be to see how far back we can get on the Bowbrick line, I think the info you have on the Flishers may be the same as mine, I found a link a while back.
I would be interested in seeing the documents you have, I've only just registered on this rootschat so I don't know how you send or receive images yet. I don't know if you put e-mail addresses out on the public domain, maybe you know what is the best idea. Regards
Andy
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Hi Andy,
To be honest i have no idea about sending images and such like,i have to admit most of the time i don't really know what i am doing,although i have used a computer for a lot of years it was mainly a set programme. I just hit a button and hope for the best really, I have to relie on my children or grandchildren sometimes.I have done one computer course but rather inconveniently my local library has decided to close for a 6 month refit.What a coincidence that your daugter is coming to Pompey, small world is'nt it.Do you have all of Jane Flisher's siblings Andy, if not i will send that to you next. Also Henry 1838,went into the navy 19/2/1856/ was on at least 26 ships and was pensioned off 16/3/1884,. I do have a rough list of all the ships but if you do manage to get this way in the near future i will get the papers from my brother for you to look at . Regards Elizabeth
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That would be good, I will let you know a date, I know we still have a family ticket for the historical dockyards which we and another family have to use up soon. We could meet up for a coffee, it would be interesting to see any old photographs and documents.
I'll get my wife to organise a day with our friends, hopefully it will be convenient for you.
Thanks for the info so far.
Regards
Andy
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I don't know if you put e-mail addresses out on the public domain,....
Andy
If you send a personal message giving your e-mail address it keeps it confidential, then you can send images directly by e-mail. I have done this with other Rootschatters with no problems. I wouldn't recommend putting personal details on an open forum.
I still haven't proved a link between my Bowbricks an the Jane Flisher marriage!
All the best to you, Andy and Elizabeth
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Thanks philip,
Do you mean clicking on the persons profile and sending a message through that route?
I am hoping to meet up with Elizabeth to swap documents, I think that she and I are third cousins or something like that.
It's amazing what you can find out.
You'll have to send me your details you have on your Bowbrick ancesters to see if I have anything in my notes that match up, two heads are better than one as they say.
Regards
Andy
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Hallo, And
Yes, that's the method I use.
If you go down this page to the message I posted in October it shows all I have on my Bowbricks. I haven't done any recent digging as I have been looking at another branch.
All the best
Philip
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Thanks Philip,
I'll try this. I'll also look at the previous notes you mentioned and get back to you if I find something.
Good hunting..!!
Regards
Andy
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Hi Andy , Just been reading the notes from Phil and yourself, I haven't found a link with Phil's line although i am sure there is one . Let me know when you are all down this way and that will be great , iam fairly flexable. I have had my holiday this year so it is unlikely i will be going anywhere too far . I will try to organise my notes and give you a copy there may be bits that are of interest, at the moment they are a bit of a mess . Best regards Elizabeth
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Hi Elizabeth,
I've just checked that ticket for the historical dockyard and we have to use it by 13th June so I will get my wife Cathy to organise a date with our friends and their children who are going with us. I asked Phil about sending you my e-mail address so that we can arrange the date and he said to send it to you privately through the profile button. I'll send you my work e-mail and also my home one once I have a date. I am looking forward to meeting you, it's like stepping back through history and bringing it alive. If you have any old photographs that would be great to see as well as the documents.
Regards
Andy
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Hi all,
I too am researching the Bowbrick family tree and am glad I found this thread in a Google search. I am looking to try to connect the Surrey Bowbricks with the South East London and Portsmouth Bowbricks. I have not found a provable link as yet.
You can view my family tree at http://www.sapsuk.com/bowbrick/ and yes the coat of arms on the front page is as far as I can tell a coat of arms that the Bowbrick family have a right to bear.
I have lots of other information on Bowbricks from around the globe that is not on my tree so if I can be of any help to anyone please ask. Likewise if anyone has any info to furnish me with please feel free to do so.
I have also set up a group on facebook to help with my name studies at http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=5885970805&ref=ts should anyone wish to join and contribute.
Thanks.
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Hi Delambo,
Your information is interesting, I have recieved from Elizabeth147 details that Thomas Bowbrick married Sarah Charman on 23-3-1801 in Cranleigh and were the parents of Henry John Bowbrick born 2-2-1815 who married Jane Flisher 25-2-1837.
Your Thomas Bowbrick and Sarah Charman seem to have different children, more investigation is required as from Henry John/Jane Flisher downwards to present day the records are definately correct.
I'll be back online about ten tonight, got to go out now
Regards
Andy
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Hi,
I can tell you for almost certain that you are all barking up the wrong tree as far as Thomas Bowbrick and Sarah Charman are concerned - there must be another Thomas and Sarah along the way somewhere, or the records are incorrect.
I can see where you are all coming from though because of this record.
(http://www.sapsuk.com/Henry_John_Birth_1815.jpg)
and this record of Thomas Bowbrick marrying Sarah Charman in Cranley, Surrey.
(http://www.sapsuk.com/Thomas_and_Sarah_wedding_Cranley.jpg)
However I think due to the Surrey accent many scriveners had difficulty spelling Bowbrick and came up with kinds of spellings like Bubrick, Bubberick etc...
Thomas Bowbrick and Sarah Charman did in fact have have a Henry Bowbrick(Buberick) but not a Henry John Bowbrick - born in Cranley in 1804 as per this record
(http://www.sapsuk.com/Henry_Birth_1804.jpg)
They also had 6 other children, William (1801), Thomas (1807), Hannah (1810), Sarah (1812), George (1815) and Harriett (1818) all born in Cranley, Surrey as per my tree here (http://www.sapsuk.com/bowbrick/indi390150155.html). I very much doubt that they would have had another Henry in 1815 but please do put me right if you have other evidence.
I do hope you are correct as I can find no evidence of my Henry Bowbrick Marrying or having children so my tree stops there on this line.
I live in Cranleigh (Cranley) and know the area well, I also frequently visit the Woking Family history centre - where all the Surrey records are kept - so if anyone needs anything checked out I am more than happy to do so.
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I have just started an online collection of information and documents relating to the Bowbrick name at http://www.sapsuk.com/bowbrick/records.html
If anyone has any scans, photos, information, cuttings, snippets, birth certificates or anything else of any interest to anybody researching the Bowbrick name then please let me have a copy of it and I will pop it on the site.
Thanks.
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Hi Delambo, I have since realised my Thomas Bowbrick did not marry Sarah Charman, My Henry John Bowbrick born 1815 in Camberwell Surrey was not the one christened in 1928, i did find a Henry born around that time but that is not my line i know. i am in contact with Andy 128 and at first i was led to believe that Thomas married Sarah Charman,after checking info from Colin Charman and Kristian Bowbrick there lines seem to cross but mine do not. My Henry who married Jane Flisher in1837 has Thomas Bowbrick who was a baker as his fatheron his marriage certificate, which i do have a copy of. I'm sorry for the confusion, I also was given details of a Thomas WilliamBowbrick born !811 who possible is Henry's brother, i haven't confirmed that either.Also on a couple of census that i have seen was a Thomas Bowbrick and a Sarah Banks who married, but i don't know if this is my Thomas, I would assume he was born around 1780 ! . Regards Elizabeth 147
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Hi everyone,
The plot thickens..!!
Don't you just love this ancestry chase...so back to the drawing board for myself and Elizabeth147 on our common ancester, Thomas Bowbrick father of Henry John Bowbrick.
Delambo, your tree is great, very impressive site....I hope that at some point there is a cross over with our Bowbricks and yours.
Elizabeth, we will have to keep looking, I beleive that we will be coming down to Portsmouth in the next few weeks, I've noted the dates you are away and will arrange convenient date with you shortly...we are still waiting on some dates from our friends.
In the meantime, good luck and good hunting..!! Regards Andy28
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Delambo, your tree is great, very impressive site....I hope that at some point there is a cross over with our Bowbricks and yours.
Thanks, and I can make it much better with all of your help. If anyone has anything to contribute please send it over, any photos, scans etc in connection with the Bowbrick name I will pop it on the site.
Also any GEDcom files I can merge with my tree and we can try to find common ancestors that way. If you have a tree uploaded to Genes Reunited it is easy to download a gedcom from there. Simply hover over "Family tree" on any page, then click "Gedcoms". Scroll down to the bottom of the page and you will see a link "Export Gedcom". Click this link and your gedcom will be sent to you by email. Forward the gedcom to my email and I will merge our trees and include your ancestors on my site.
Also if any of you would like to be added to my site as a contact let me have any details you are willing to share (email only is probably best) as I will be adding a contacts page to the site for anybody researching the Bowbrick line so that they can get in touch to discuss their trees.
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Hi Kristian, You already have access to my tree on genes, I am Hilda Jones but i have been using my middle name on this site , i hope you can get most of my info from there. I am pretty useless on the computer for some things but when my son is around i will get him to send some of my stuff across to you.Either that orwhen i meet up with Andy i intend to give him copies of anything i have so i am sure he will send it to you , Best regards Hilda
( Elizabeth 147)
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hi I have been reading your note's. I think you may have a connection between the London Bowbricks and the shere Bowbricks. a Sarah Bowbrick married a Thomas Bowbrick. I am looking into this! you are right the Charman are not Henry and Jane (Flisher)parents. Henry is my gg grandfarther on my wife side. I have some info: on this side but as its not my main line of research not a great deal, i am happy to help.
all the best
bruce123.
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Hi everyone,
Welcome to Bruce, this family is getting larger all the time...I hope Bruce that you can shed some light on our Henry John Bowbrick's parents...!!
We seem to have hit a bit of a wall....or as Philip in an earlier posting...our Bowbrick wall.
If we can sort out our 'enry we can all move forward..!!
Regards
Andy28
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:)Hi Andy Thank you. I am new to this site.
Yes there are more “Bowbrick” out there. It’s good to hear from you. I am looking into Thomas and Sarah Bowbrick. I have to say the brick wall is still standing. This is what I have so far. Thomas and Sarah no info only possibilities. The other line is to try and prove the birth of Henry b: 1804 to the Sarah Charman in cranleigh. Also George and Mary Bowbrick had a son or grand son called Henry born about 1815 living in Shere. Surrey. I am at this time working on my main line “George’s” I will be back on the Bowbrick in another week or so all being well. All the best Bruce ;D
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Hi Bruce,
How are you related to Henry John Bowbrick and Jane Flisher?
Regards
Andy28
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How are you related to Henry John Bowbrick and Jane Flisher
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:)hi andy. henry-jane 1815. son: henry 1838.m:mary ann sullivan.son:stephen joseph 1885.m: clara rebecca.son: fredrick1916 m: eirlys. dur: freda1941 my wife. if you want more info i'll be happy to pas it over to you. ;D How are you related? all the best bruce.
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Hi Bruce,
Henry John Bowbrick & Jane Flisher had a daughter, Sarah Edwards Bowbrick who married Thomas Joseph Wilson, they had a son Stephen Joseph Wilson who married Gertrude Page Scoones, they had a son called Cyril Thomas Bowbrick Wilson who was my paternal Grandfather.
Henry John Bowbrick would be my GGG Grandfather.
My grandfather's brother was called Arnold Edward Wilson so the two boys were given christian names taken from their grandmothers maiden name Sarah Edwards Bowbrick.
So this makes myself and your wife some kind of cousins..!!
Regards
Andy
Andy
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I just found this message string after a google search. I am related to the Bowbricks who lived in Southwark and originally came from the Guildford area. I have been trying to put together the story of the Bowbricks who served in the First World War. If any of you have any informaton you care to share I would be very grateful - I might also be able to fill in some blanks for you!
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Hi James. :) I am looking for Thomas Bowbrick wife Sarah, born abt 1790-1800 they had a son Henry b: 1815. living just off the "old Kent road"
Have you any info on this family? :) I have left my e-mail adds on your P/message board.
all the best
Bruce.
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Hi James,
My direct bowbrick ancestry stops after Sarah Edwards Bowbrick married my paternal GG Grandfather Thomas Joseph Wilson as per my previous notes, my paternal grandfather Cyril Thomas Bowbrick Wilson was born in December 12th 1900 so missed out on WWI (what a year and month to be born in..!!) being too young and ending just a month before his 18th birthday.
Would be interested in any info you have on your Bowbrick line.
Regards
Andy28
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Thanks for these posts and messages - I am still getting the hang of this board so please excuse my late reply. I am working away from home at the moment but will consult my notes next week when I get the chance.
James