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Trying to find info on the family of John Mitchell, postman, of Taunton. In the 1841 census aged 45, he is listed with his wife, Mary aged 45, daughters Jane 15 and Mary 10, son John 13 and mother Mary aged 80. The census was taken in the Parish of North Curry(Tything of Knopp) whatever that means!
I particularly want to follow up son John MItchell who would have been born about 1828. He moved to Wales where he married a Jane Davies in Merthyr Tydfil in 1862. His occupation then was a boatman.
If anyone can find the family in a later census I would be very grateful.
Many thanks
Cate ( in Australia) :)
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Hi Cate, I've found them in the 1871 census in Cardiff, living at no.40 Hill Terrace, St John's
John Mitchell 42 born Taunton, Somerset a lodger and
?Steridor/Stermidor
Jane 34 born Cheltenham, Glouscestershire
living with
Philip Fletcher 42 born Cardiff, Glam a ?Steridor/Stermidor
Jane 36 born Bristol
John 5 born Cardiff adopted son
John Jenkins 26 born Cardiff a lodger with no occupation
Joseph McCarty 26 born Tipperary, Ireland a lodger and mason
Ann 21 born the City of Cork
RG10/5358
50
19
All the best
Kate.
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Thanks Kate - I really appreciate the information.
I wonder if John's occupation is stevedore since he was a boatman on his marriage certificate.
I'd love to know what happened to him between the 1841 census and 1862 when he was married.
thanks again for you help
Cate
:D
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I think this may be him in the 1881 census living at 16 Salop Street, Penarth, Glam
John Mitchell 50 (married) born Taunton, Somerset a boarder and dock labourer
living with
Mary Clark 33 born Newport a charwoman and a widow
William 9 born Penarth, Glam a scholar
Catherine 8 " " "
John 7 " " "
Richard 2 " " "
RG11/5289
42
81
I've found a death cert for a Jane Mitchell, aged 40 in 1881
Jane Mitchell
September 1881
Cardiff (1837-1974)
11a
143
could this be her? as I've found the same John Mitchell in the 1891 census living at no.10 Stamwell Cresent, Roath, Glamorgan
John Mitchell 60 born Taunton, Somerset a general labourer
Mary 45 born Newport, Monmouthshire
Mary Lewis 75 born Ireland mother-in-law and widow
William Clark 20 born Penarth a dock labourer
John Mitchell 18 born Cardiff " "
John Clark 17 born Penarth " "
Richard 12 " a scholar
RG12/4402
115
2
could he have married Mary Clark after Jane died maybe?
could John Fletcher, adopted son of Philip and Jane be the John Mitchell in the 1891 census? bit of a mystery, I shall keep delving though.
All the best
Kate.
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I don't think the Fletcher John in the 71 is the same as the Mitchell John in the 1891 as I think I may have found Jane in the 1881 with a son John
Jane Mitchel 46 born Merthyr, Glamorgan a boarder, charwoman and ?widow
John 7 born Merthyr
living with
Lancelot Wood 64 born Cardiff a labourer and widow
Catherine 18 " a dressmaker
Mary Jane Williams 24 " a charwoman and niece
Lancelot J 4 " grandson
Frederick G 5 monthes " "
What do you think? I can't find this Jane or John in the 1891 census.
Kate.
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Kate
You are doing a great bit of detective work!
John Mitchell did marry Mary Clark - she was my great grandmother.
The Catherine Clark you see on the 1881 census was my grandmother.
The John Mitchell aged 18 you see on the 1891 census is my grandfather - he married Catherine Clark. I have their marriage certificate. My grandfather was born in 1871/2 so he can't be the John Fletcher on the 1871 census who was 5 at the time of the 1871 census. My grandfather's surname was actually Parlour but he was known as MItchell while he was living with John Mitchell who was his uncle.
I think my grandfather was living with his aunt Jane Mitchell - his parents died when he was an infant - but if that is Jane's death in 1881, grandfather must then have gone to live with his uncle John Mitchell.
I think the best thing is for me to apply for Jane's death certificate - that will authenticate my theory. I think she was born in about 1838 according to her marriage certificate so she should have been 43 if that is her death in 1881 - however a few years out is not unusual.
I really appreciate your help - you've certainly helped me to fathom out some of the family mysteries.
Regards
Cate
Have just read your last post which you added whilst I was writing this - that would make sense as the census was taken early in the year and you said Jane's death was listed in the September quarter. So John would have gone to live with his uncle who must have taken up with widow Clark before Jane's death - as you noted, Jane Mitchell is calling herself a widow in 1881 so could have been separated from John.
Again the ages are out a bit but I don't think we should be put off by that.
There is light at the end of the tunnel!
Many many thanks
Cate
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I'm finding it quite difficult to find John in the 51 and 61 census'. Do you have any of his family in either of these?
Kate.
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No - sorry Kate. As I said, I don't know what happened to him or his family before his marriage to Jane in 1862. They were married at Merthyr Tydfil - they were both listed as living at Adam and Eve Court, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan. Unfortunately, I don't have access to the 51 or 61 census.
Thanks so much for looking.
Cate
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I've found John Mitchell the postman in the 51 census
John Mitchell 58 born Creech St Michael, Somerset a post office messenger
Mary 57 born Hatch Beauchamp, Somerset
living St Mary Magdalen, Taunton
HO107/1922
723
42
Kate.
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Hi Kate
Wonderful - more progress!
Obviously, the children have all left home by then. I guess St Mary Magdalen is a Parish in Taunton.
:D :D
Cate
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dont know if this helps or not?
living in melcombe regis dorset in 1851-
john mitchell 23yrs born taunton
mary ann 23yrs born bradfoed somerset
albert 3yrs born taunton somerset
john 6 months born born weymouth dorset
SOURCE INFO-H0107-1857
FOLIO-197
PAGE-15
regards
alli
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Found them in the 61 as well, living in the same place, couldn't read the address very well on the 51, its a little better on the 61. They are living at 9?Shawbrook Row, South Street, St Mary Magdalen, Taunton
John Mitchell 68 born Creech St Michael, Somerset a post messenger
Mary 67 born Hatch Beauchamp, Somerset.
RG9/1616
113
31
do you think its probable that John Jr was living in Wales by the time of the 61 as he married Jane in 62?
Kate.
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the mitchell children from the 1851 cencus i just posted are in the wyke road workhouse in weymouth in 1861-
albert 14yrs at school
john mitchell 11yrs at school
emma mitchell 8yrs at school
alice 6yrs at school.
now whether mother died and no family to take them in??
SOURCE INFO-RG9-1349
FOLIO-32
PAGE-2
regards
alli
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Hi Alli
Wow! If that's him, he was married before his marriage to Jane Davies.
The age is certainly rright and Dorset is not far from Somerset! Do they give an occupation on the "51 census?
I'll look up free bmd and see if I can find a marriage.
Really appreciate your help :D Cate
Kate - Looks as if the Mitchells senior were very stable. He must have delivered the mail until he dropped!
I think it is quite probable that John Jr was in Merthyr befre his marriage in '62. Jane Davies and her family were living in Abergavenny in 1850's so I guess John Jr would have met her around the North of Wales.
This is getting very exciting - I really appreciate everyone's help!
Cate
;D
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The only possible John Mitchell on the 1861 Wales census is this one
John Mitchell 33 born Dulverton, Somerset a coal tipper
Hannah 44 born Cwmneath, Glamorgan
John 11 born Cardiff a scholar
Lewis Jones 16 born Neath, Glamorgan a boarder and mason's labourer
living St Mary's, Cardiff
RG94035
84
22
Kate.
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i saw that one as well but discounted it as dulverton is no where near taunton.
shame
alli
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I can't find this family in any earlier or later census'. I have found this family in the 51 Wales census
John Mitchell 26 born Taunton, Somerset a shoemaker
Mary 20 born Ireland a domestic
John 4 born Newport, Monmouthshire
Ellen 2 " "
living ?Granville Street, St Woollos, Newport, Mon
HO107-2452
23
36
maybe he was a serial groom!
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;D he wouldnt be the first lol
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Thanks Kate
Surely not him with yet another family! And him an ancestor of mine! ::)
I wonder if you could check on any variations of the name - eg Michael, Mitchel, Michell etc - I know my Parlours turned up as Parlowes in one census and Pardo on another!
Allie - I've looked up Free bmd marriages and have found a marriage for a John Mitchell and a Mary Marshall in Taunton in Dec Qtr 1847 - that would fit.
There are a number of deaths for a Mary Ann Mitchell in the mid to late 1850's. Districts are Chard, Axminster, Bridport and Wincanton which are all around the Dorset, Somerset region. Unfortunately, no ages are given.
Looks as if I'd better buy some certificates.
It's after midnight in Aussie so I'd better go to bed or I'll never get up in the morning. Thanks Allie and Kate for your help. I'll check back on the site in the morning.
Best wishes
Cate ;D
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taken from the NBI VOL 2-
mary mitchell aged 28yrs buried on the 1st march 1855 at wyke regis all saints. age is near enough and as children were in the workhouse in wyke is a good possiblility dont you think??
regards
alli
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also found this baptism on the BIVRI INDEX-
alice mitchell bapt 5th aug 1855 at melcome regis dorset.parents john and mary ann mitchell.
regards
alli
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Alli
That is brilliant - all the pieces are coming together. Perhaps poor Mary Ann died in childbirth. It seems very sad that the children ended up in the workhouse - I guess 4 young children are a lot to take on, as often people back then lived in very crowded conditions.
I am fairly new to this genealogy game - I know that NBI is the national burial index but what is BIVRI?
Thankyou sooooo much for your help
Best wishes
Cate :D :D
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its the british isles vital records index.
regards
alli
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Thanks Alli
How do I access the BIVRI from Austalia?
Forgive my ignorance - but I'm still trying to find my way around all the genealogy resources
Regards
Cate
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sorry i have it on cd you can purchase it from the latter day saints.however i would be glad to look anything up for you.just let me know
regards
alli
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Thanks so much Alli. I really appreciate your offer. Can you tell me what the difference is between the IGI and the BIVRI - is the IGI international and the BIVRI just for the British Isles. I presume they must both have been compiled by the Latter Day Saints.
???
Cate
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alot of the ig1 is member submitted where as the BIVRI index is taken from actual parish registers.the BIVRI is not complete and some areas are better than others say for instance sussex seems to be one of the better covered countys
regards
alli
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Ahhh! Thanks Alli - I now understand. Thanks for your patience!
Cate ;D
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Hi Cate, I've found him on the 1861 Wales census, living in St Mary's, Cardiff
John Michell 29 born Taunton, Somerset a dock labourer
Jane 23 born Cheltenham, Glous (listed as his wife)
Amelia Davies 10 born Merthyr, Glam sister
RG9/4037
84
40
were they living in sin? naughty!
All the best
Kate.
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Found John Mitchell Sr in the 1871 living Buckwell Road (West Side), Wellington, Somerset
Mary Mitchell 69 born Creech St Michael, Somerset a former servant unmarried
John 78 " " a post office pensioner (very proud of his occupation!) Widower and Brother
RG10/2362
69
3
All the best
Kate
if you want any other look-up's let me know.
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Kate
Fantastic! Obviously the entry on the 1861 census was slightly incorrect - Michell instead of Mitchell! Thanks so much for persevering. Looks as if they were living together with Jane's younger sister Amelia, but didn't bother to get the relationship legalised until 1862. :o
On John's marriage certificate, he is definitely identified as a bachelor, so if he was married previously - I'll buy some certificates which should clear that question up - I wonder if Jane ever knew about it and about his 4 children in the workhouse!! :-\
Looks as if John senior ended up living with his sister after his wife died - how many Mary Mitchells are there in that family!! And yes - he was obviously very proud of his service with the post office! ;)
You've helped me so much - I truly appreciate the time you have spent searching on my behalf.
Very best wishes
Cate :D
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Alli or Kate
One last request.
There is a John Mitchell born in the June quarter of 1873 in Merthyr Tydfil.
Are you able to check out who his parents were on the BIVRI?
There is no birth record for my grandfather John Parlour born in Merthyr or Pontyprid about 1872 and as his mother died in 1872 I wondered if Jane who was his aunt eventually registered him in her name of Mitchell.
Promise this is the very last question!!
Many thanks
Cate
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Hello Cate
I know that your posts on this thread were in January but I've just been reading through the Somerset posts (as I live in Taunton) and came across yours. It looks as though your research is coming on a pace and although perhaps not relevant now, the following information may be of interest;
The "Tything of Knopp" is actually "Knapp". Knapp is a small hamlet near North Curry and about 5 or 6 miles from Taunton.
Creech St Michael is a village on the outskirts of Taunton - about 3 miles.
Similarly, Hatch Beauchamp is a small village about 7 or 8 miles from Taunton although it is possibly closer to the small town of Ilminster.
The Parish of St. Mary Magdelene is basically central Taunton. St Mary's is the main church in Taunton and for census purposes, it simply means the entire town centre.
One of your ancestors was "born Bradford, Somerset". I would assume that this is Bradford On Tone. A village about about 4 miles from Taunton, just off the A38 between Taunton and Wellington.
Dulverton was mentioned a few times. This is a town about 25 miles from Taunton, on the Devon border.
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Many thanks for the info Bozzer.
Your details help to make the picture much clearer for me.
With appreciation
Cate :D