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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: FionaLorraine on Sunday 15 January 06 14:30 GMT (UK)
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Looking for Palmers in the areas of Killead, Crumlin, Antrim, Aldergrove, Islandbawn, Dunadry.
I have lots of records for these familes. Please contact me for more information.
I am particularly interested in Chichester and Skeffington Palmers - some of whom were associated with The Mount Killead and also Palmers who worked on the railways.
I am also interested in Palmers in particular from Randox and Ballyrobin and Aldergrove.
I also have a Samuel Palmer who lived in the small thatched cottage just on a side road off Islandbane near Muckamore. It has a cellar and we wondered what it was used for.
Names which I have in my records include Annabella, Israel, John, Samuel, Alexander, Chichester, Skeffington, Andrew, Susan, Mary, Margaret, Walter, Arthur, Isabella, James, Francis, Mabel.
They lived in Randox, Ballynadrentagh, Islandbane, Dunadry, Belfast, Larne, Glenarm, Cushendun, Crumlin, Killead, etc .
I have some 1901 census records, school records, marriage birth and death records, graveyard files and Griffiths evaluation records.
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Hello FionaLorraine,
I looked at the Ulster Covenant Search and found Palmers at Killead. http://www.proni.gov.uk/ulstercovenantsearch Put the surname in then Parliamentary Division Antrim: South.
I did not look at them all but noticed the names John and Susan. The Covenant was signed in 1912
All the Best, Christopher
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My 3x great grandfather was named Skeffington Palmer and he was from the Killead area. I would love to know any more details about him and his wife Catherine Hepwell (1800-1866) who came from Manchester, England. Thanks for any help you can give me!
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Welcome to Rootschat, cdnbooklover.
As you can see this is an old thread and Fiona has not been online here for several years. If there is still a current email address, she will hopefully see this.
There are a couple of records I can see, which you may already have.
Catherine’s death is too early yet for full details but is in the indexes here. You can send for a copy death certificate though if this is her.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qru/
Is this the marriage of a son? It shows Skeffington Palmer is deceased by 1851.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1851/09400/5404926.pdf
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Yes, Heywood, this is the correct Skeffington (Scivington) Palmer. I did already have these two sources and he did have a son named John.
I would like to confirm the identity of Skeffington's father. I have the following from the Belfast Newsletter for 15 Jan 1847 -
"On the 15th at Mount Cottage, near Antrim, Walter Palmer, SURGEON, after a tedious illness."
I know this is the correct family as my 2x great-grandmother wrote that she was from Mount Cottage but I'm not sure if this Walter Palmer is Skeffington father or possibly a brother. As you mentioned, Skeffington was deceased by the time of John Palmer's marriage so I'm thinking likely his father. Does the word "Surgeon" here mean a medical surgeon or something else? I have noticed that word with several other people and wondered if they were all surgical doctors??
I also found 2 records for Walter Palmer in the Grand Lodge of Free Masons but from different Lodges which makes me think there were two Walter Palmers (father & son). Would it be common to change lodges?
Grand Lodge of Freemasons of Ireland Membership
12 Oct 1801 • Antrim, County Antrim, Ireland
Lodge #313; Date of Admission
Grand Lodge of Freemasons of Ireland Membership
10 Feb 1829 • Antrim, County Antrim, Ireland
Lodge #28; * Possibly his son ??
And one last documentation of a Walter Palmer which leads me to believe Walter had a son named Walter also, although he would have been much younger than Skeffington.
In the Northern Whig Newspapers of 21 Jun 1832, 23 Dec 1833, and 23 Jun 1834, Walter Palmer of Dungonnell is listed as enrolled in Crumlin Academy.
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/41959638/walter_palmer_at_crumlin_academy/?xid=637
Since Skeffington is such an unusual name and my grandfather, Skeffington Bell, inherited it along with many other descendants, I'm really curious where the name might have come from. Wondering if it possibly came from his mother's maiden name. As in did he have any ties to Chichester Clotworthy Skeffington, 4th Earl of Massereene (1746–25 February 1816) and his family??
Any enlightenments you might give me would be great!
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Found this on Belfast City Burials, could be be a relative ?
Record details
Name of deceased Mr William James Sinclair Skiffington Palmer
Last place of residence 23 Beech Street
Age 24 Years
Sex
Date of death 25 January 1874
Date of burial 27 January 1874
Cemetery City Cemetery
Grave section and number C 425
JAMES KEFFINGTON PALMER 1849 WILLIAM Antrim
(from: https://www.ancestryireland.com/) subscription site.
Others in the same Grave:
Records 1 - 6 of 6
Occupants of grave C 425, City Cemetery
Forename Surname Age Date of death Date of burial Cemetery Details
Jane Magennis NK 10 February 1884 12 February 1884 City Cemetery
Robert Maginnes 20 Years 10 January 1881 NK City Cemetery
Joseph Maginnis 1 9/12 Years 23 March 1875 25 March 1875 City Cemetery
Joseph Maginnis 24 Years 9 April 1874 11 April 1874 City Cemetery
Ethel Margaret M Mckittrick 6 Months 15 April 1881 16 April 1881 City Cemetery
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Thanks, Sam, for these leads. I'm not sure at this point where this person fits in but I will keep researching. I definitely think he belongs in my family tree! As you can imagine, Skeffington was spelled a multitude of ways.
Was that a common thing to have a number of people in the same grave??
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Here is the death for James Skeffington Palmer, 1874, Belfast
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1874/020673/7253961.pdf
He is married but I can’t yet find a marriage to get his father’s name.
The informant is Elizabeth Maginnis so maybe there is a connection.
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Here is a marriage for Walter Palmer, son of Skeffington Palmer, a Cooper.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1862/09624/5490432.pdf
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Yes ,it is common for several members of a family to be buried in the same Plot.
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Again don't know if this is of any assistance, the "McKittrick" child who died in 1881, this is her Parents:
M/1870/E1/1814/1/3 Anna McLeavy McKitrick 18th February 1870 Lisburn
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1870/11368/8173944.pdf
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I'm so glad to have the actual record now. I found the basic record on Ancestry but this is so much better. Do you have a subscription to Irish Genealogy so that you can access these without further cost to you? So nice of you to share!
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Do you have a subscription to Irish Genealogy so that you can access these without further cost to you?
IrishGenealogy.ie is the free & official website for BMD information for all of Ireland up to the end of 1921.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
You only need to enter the name, then prove you are not a robot by ticking the Captcha box, and then entering your name in the next two boxes, tick the box and submit. You can use a shortened version with just single initials for first name and surname.
Here's the latest Update to the Civil Records:
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/news/154-update-to-the-civil-records-3
KG
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Thank you for posting this. I only wish the records went back further. Are all the earlier ones destroyed?
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Are all the earlier ones destroyed?
Since your Palmers are presumably Church of Ireland, have you seen this information?
From Irish Genealogy Toolkit-
More than half of all Church of Ireland registers were destroyed in the 1922 fire at the Public Records Office in Dublin.
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/trace-ancestors.html
The RCBL also has this-
https://www.ireland.anglican.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/registers/ParishRegisters/PARISHREGISTERS.pdf
KG
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Thank you for posting this. I only wish the records went back further. Are all the earlier ones destroyed?
From PRONI's Guide to Church Records- Killead Church of Ireland (MIC 1/293)
Baptisms, 1838-1966; marriages, 1845-1997; burials, 1873-1942; vestry minutes, 1829-1900; cash book, 1874-1925. [Earliest registers destroyed in Dublin]
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/Guide-to-Church-Records-October-2019.pdf
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Thanks for all the church records information. You all are so helpful!
Yes, the Palmers were COI but what made you think that?
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Thanks for all the church records information. You all are so helpful!
Yes, the Palmers were COI but what made you think that?
Sorry but I don't understand the question.
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"Since your Palmers are presumably Church of Ireland, have you seen this information?"
I'm sorry. It was in response to this statement in reply #14.
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Hi I’ve seen this and understand it’s an old post but hoping I could maybe get some help
My 4xgreat grandparents are skeffington palmer and Cather hepwell and u have been researching this line and the Nicholl side extensively but I’ve hit a brick wall. I have records following back from myself to the with births, deaths, marriages, censuses but I can’t find a single grave🤷♀️I even have death announcements from Belfast newsletters but no palmers or Nicholls seem to have information on their burial sites.
Would anyone have any information or ideas
Thank u🤞😊