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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: OnyxCougar on Friday 13 January 06 13:22 GMT (UK)
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I'm looking for information regarding the Ellisons, Dykes, and Jacksons of Manchester:
William and Mary Ellison (no dates or locations), had a child, Thomas:
Thomas Ellison b. 1879, Ellesmere (possibly Salop?), Shropshire
m. 31 Mar 1900 to Prudence DYKES(?),
b. 1879, Chapel End, Audlem, Cheshire
Children:
1. Edith Dykes Ellison b. 23 Aug 1900, Manchester, d. Jun 1903
2. Annie Ellison (my GM) b. 19 Feb 1903, Morton Lane, Blackley
m. 3 Sep 1927 to John Stanley JACKSON
i. unknown daughter (stillborn)
ii. Terrence (living in CA, USA)
iii. John (living in AZ, USA) (my father, born in Manchester, 1941)
d. 18 Mar 1991, Whittier, CA
3. Prudence Evelyn Ellison b. 6 Apr 1905, Wembury St. Harpurhey (?)
4. Hilda Dykes Ellison b. 15 Sep 1908, Woore Ln, Buntor, Cheshire
5. Thomas Ellison b. 22 Oct 1910, 8 Aiken St, Levenshulme
6. Clifford Ellison b. 12 Aug 1912, 8 Aiken St, Levenshulme
d. 1999 (?) Devon
7. James Ellison b. 6 Mar 1917, 23 Aiken St, Levenshulme
8. Irene Ellison b. 12 Oct 1920, 23 Aiken St, Levenshulme
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Hi,
I am assuming you have seen the 1881 census online at Family Search so have not given all the details.
RG 11/ 2664/15 page 21 16 Talbot Street, Ellesmere Salop
William and Mary plus 6 sons and 1 daughter.
William is obviously a very busy person (all those very young children to feed) his occupation being : Umbrella Maker, Cane Worker, China Mender, Cutter, Hairdresser and Letter Carrier!
I have searched 1871 and 1861 censuses-
1871 seems to be ok 21 Watergate Street, Ellesmere
RG 10/2788 Folio 12 pg 18
William Ellison Lodger 27 yrs Hatter born Manchester - although in 1881 his place of birth states Bury.
1861 to vague at the moment to trace William
Will look for any others
Best wishes
Heywood
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Hi again,
As regards Prudence Dykes - you will have seen 1881 in Family Search -
RG11 3551 / 39 Page Number 20
parents: Joseph and Eliza - 3 sons, 1 daughter (Prudence) born 1880.
1891 RG 12/ 3249 folio 91 pg 1
Prudence is a domestic servant at 427 Rochdale Road Harpurhey Manchester aged 16 yrs (!)
1891 Rg12/3270 folio 83 pg 15
William and Mary Ellison have moved to Blackley -( close to Harpurhey)
William now a Corporation Gas Official
Thomas is an errand boy aged 12 yrs.
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I have searched 1871 and 1861 censuses-
1871 seems to be ok 21 Watergate Street, Ellesmere
RG 10/2788 Folio 12 pg 18
William Ellison Lodger 27 yrs Hatter born Manchester - although in 1881 his place of birth states Bury.
Bury is actually a northern part of Manchester, I looked it up online. It's actually close to Blackley and Harpurhey, My GM was born in Blackley, her sister in Harpurhey, and the rest of the children in Levenshulme (southern Manchester).
I appreciate all the work you're doing, heywood!! Thanks so much!
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I have remaining questions about the Jacksons in Manchester.
All I have of this (my father's father's) side is my GF name, John Stanley Jackson, who married my GM, Annie Ellison (daughter of Thomas Ellison and Prudence Dykes).
I have John Stanley and Annies' wedding on 3 Sep 1927 in England (I'm assuming a district of Manchester) Their children were born in 1937 and 1941 (both still living). The family emigrated to California in the United States in 1946 or 1947.
Annie was born 19 Feb 1903 in Blackley, Manchester.
Any help with the Jackson side of the line would be fantastic!
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Hi again,
As regards Prudence Dykes - you will have seen 1881 in Family Search -
RG11 3551 / 39 Page Number 20
parents: Joseph and Eliza - 3 sons, 1 daughter (Prudence) born 1880.
1891 RG 12/ 3249 folio 91 pg 1
Prudence is a domestic servant at 427 Rochdale Road Harpurhey Manchester aged 16 yrs (!)
As you can tell, we have a problem. If she's born in 1880, as given in the 1881 census, she can't be 16 in the 1891 census. Could this be a different Pru?
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Hi again,
You are right re Bury- I am only a few miles from all the places! However Bury would not normally be Manchester whereas the others would.
Here we go:
Free BMD has a birth for Prudence- June quarter 1879.
There are quite a few Dykes families in the area around Audlem and there are two Josephs born around the same time - you find them on the 1881 census.
1881 census has Joseph, Eliza and children aged 7,5,3 and 1 (Prudence), living at Chapel End Audlem.
1891 has them at nearby Buerton village- Joseph 39 yrs Buerton
Eliza 41 Whitchurch
Florance 9
Jasper 7
Frederick 5
elizabeth 3
George 1 all children born Buerton
The first time I looked I dismissed them as wrong family but I think they must be with a second set of children - all older ones presumably in work.
Although there are quite a few Dykes around- Prudence is the only one and I think that is her. I don't suppose people were two fussy about employing at 12 year old and of course the area is right for her meeting Thomas. What do you think?
Heywood
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Do you have a copy marriage certificate for Annie and John.
There are births on Free BMD - John Stanley Jackson
September quarter 1897 - Prestwich - covers Blackley/Harpurhey etc and
December quarter 1904- Chorlton - covers several other areas of Manchester.
In 1901
Thomas and Prudence living at 10 Stirlng Street Harpurhey with Edith their daughter.
There is a Jackson family with a son John born 1897 living at 5 Tyson Street Crumpsall (Prestwich registration district) and if you go back to your map you can see it borders on Blackley/Harpurhey.
However- Jackson is a very popular surname!
The marriage certificate would have an address and father's detail for John Stanley.
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I think I'm going to have to start by ordering the marriage certificate for Annie and John. The problem is that I don't know WHERE they were married, all I have is a date and their names.
I'm assuming it's in Lancashire, some section of Manchester. Since this is the first form I'm filling out, any tips on what to put on the request (or if I can request online, which would be the easiest) ?
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Hi again,
You are right re Bury- I am only a few miles from all the places! However Bury would not normally be Manchester whereas the others would.
Here we go:
Free BMD has a birth for Prudence- June quarter 1879.
There are quite a few Dykes families in the area around Audlem and there are two Josephs born around the same time - you find them on the 1881 census.
1881 census has Joseph, Eliza and children aged 7,5,3 and 1 (Prudence), living at Chapel End Audlem.
1891 has them at nearby Buerton village- Joseph 39 yrs Buerton
Eliza 41 Whitchurch
Florance 9
Jasper 7
Frederick 5
elizabeth 3
George 1 all children born Buerton
The first time I looked I dismissed them as wrong family but I think they must be with a second set of children - all older ones presumably in work.
Although there are quite a few Dykes around- Prudence is the only one and I think that is her. I don't suppose people were two fussy about employing at 12 year old and of course the area is right for her meeting Thomas. What do you think?
Heywood
So you think that Joseph and Eliza had
1. William [1874]
2. Joseph [1876]
3. John [1878]
4. Prudence [1880]
all in Audlem, and the all the kids got jobs and moved out, even youngest of that batch (Pru) moved in with the people in Harpurhey when she was 11 or 12, then Joseph and Eliza moved to Buerton village and had:
5. Florance [1882]
6. Jasper [1884]
7. Frederick [1886]
8. Elizabeth [1888]
9. George [1890]
? Is that right?
Can you give me the 1891 census notations for that?
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Hi - sorry I forgot it! RG 12/ 2858 district folio 41 pg 6
Yes at the moment it does seem as though they had one 'family' followed by another .
There is a Joseph Dykes born c 1875 - a farm servant at RG 12/ 2858 folio 45 page 13 - in Buerton - says born Buerton but it is all same area.
you can request online- http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ explains it.
Good luck
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Small breakthrough on the Jackson line:
My father gave me the birthdate of
John Stanley Jackson as 10-10-04,
I have found a John Stanley Jackson in the FreeBMD Birth Index for Dec 1904,
District: Chorlton, Volume 8c, Page 853.
I need to find out how to get my hands on that record. We know John Stanley's father's name is Frederick.
I have checked Lancashire BMD, and have a John S Jackson in 1904 (M/49/445)
Subdistrict: Middleton
Registers at: Rochdale
Is this the same place? I know there is a Rochdale in Manchester...
Help?
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Hi
Try this site you may be lucky in finding photos of the street they lived in in Manchester.
http://www.images.manchester.gov.uk/
Seems to be a technical hitch with it at the moment, but should be working again on Monday being a goverment site.
Ken
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No luck on any of the streets I have for my Grandmother's generation of Ellisons.
Also, my father says he has pictures of relatives and places (like his Dykes granparents). When I get my hands on them, where can I send a copy of the photo to for other people to be able to access them? Is that something people can use?
Also, searching on ancestry.co.uk in the marriage indexes, I'm looking at the search results, and they give the first and last name on the pages, but many of these names on the search results are not the first and last names on the pages. (Like the search results say Daye to Griffin, and the actual name is Gaye to Griffin). Is there a way to let them know about the error and get it fixed? It really returns a bunch of pages that are not relevant.
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Hi
Using that link I have found photos of this street
3. Prudence Evelyn Ellison b. 6 Apr 1905, Wembury St. Harpurhey (?)
You need to type it "wembury street", as this street is only 4/5 streets from me I can tell you half the buildings were pulled down many years ago.
http://www.manchester.gov.uk/libraries/arls/index.htm try these if you get them photos. I dont know of any other place that would like copies, but saying that we do have a very photographic club in Moston "just up the road" maybe they would be interested.
Ancestry.co.uk sends shivers down peoples spines, not used it for a long time but I think there is a way to tell them of an error ---- but dont quote me on it ---- :-\
Regards
Ken