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Felgate & Co were immigration agents in London circa 1870's.Those emigrating to Western Australia were required to complete a form of Application and forward to Felgate & Co.
Applicants were required to provide all their personal details.
Should anyone know if these records exist and where they are deposited,I would appreciate advice.
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Hello Kimberley
I would guess that the National Archives at Kew or the London Metropolitan archives would be your best bets........Felgate's appear to be in the business of ships/insurance for a long time.
London P.O Directory 1882
FELGATE & CO. Shipping, Insurance & forwarding agents, Emigration agents for the colony of Western Australia....27 Clements Lane, Lombard Street E.C
London P.O Directory 1852
FELGATE WM & CO Ship & Insurance agents....4 Clements Lane, City
Regards
Bryant
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Hello Kimberley
I would guess that the National Archives at Kew or the London Metropolitan archives would be your best bets........Felgate's appear to be in the business of ships/insurance for a long time.
London P.O Directory 1882
FELGATE & CO. Shipping, Insurance & forwarding agents, Emigration agents for the colony of Western Australia....27 Clements Lane, Lombard Street E.C
London P.O Directory 1852
FELGATE WM & CO Ship & Insurance agents....4 Clements Lane, City
Regards
Bryant
Thank you.
Do you know if these records are online ?
Kimberley
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Kimberley
National Archives.........I haven't taken a look but would think that those type of records wouldn't bring in the coppers! (don't appeal to the wider audience).........and probably need more specialised research ie trawling through books/files/ledgers?..........best bet is to contact them and ask
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/
London Metropolitan Archives
The same applies.........best bet is to contact them
http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporation/leisure_heritage/libraries_archives_museums_galleries/lma/
Regards
Bryant
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Felgate & Co were immigration agents in London circa 1870's.Those emigrating to Western Australia were required to complete a form of Application and forward to Felgate & Co.
Applicants were required to provide all their personal details.
Should anyone know if these records exist and where they are deposited,I would appreciate advice.
Hi Kimberley :) Long time between drinks, but did you find any information about Felgate & Co records? My 2x great grandmother used them to get to Fremantle in 1884 from London, but we have no information about her prior to her arrival.
Cheers,
Rob.
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Hello robbowa and welcome to RootsChat.
Kimberley hasn't been online here since December 2017, however hopefully she still has the same email address and will receive notification of your post.
What was your gg grandmother's name and any other information you might have about her? We may be able to help. :D
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Hello robbowa and welcome to RootsChat.
Kimberley hasn't been online here since December 2017, however hopefully she still has the same email address and will receive notification of your post.
What was your gg grandmother's name and any other information you might have about her? We may be able to help. :D
Hi Maddy, thanks so much for replying :)
My 2x G Grandmother's name was Louisa Stamp/Stemp (seems to be interchangeable) ;D She sailed out of London on the barque Minero 08 Apr 1884 and arrived Fremantle 01 Jul 1884. She's listed on the ship's manifest as a 'passenger from Crown Agent', and it seems Felgate & Co. were the agents dealing with emigrants to Western Australia.
She passed away 17 Sep 1916 in Western Australia, but sadly her death cert doesn't list her parents names. She had 4 children, and two of their birth certs list Louisa's birth location as London, England (she was the Informant). There's a bunch of us descendants of hers here in Oz trying to verify her identity :)
There's a handful of candidate 'Louisa Stamps' in the 1871 and 1881 England censuses, born in London in the 1860's, but only one who didn't either pass away, marry or remain in the UK after 1884:
Louisa Stamp, born in London, Middlesex, 4 years old in 1871, Mother Sarah Stamp (37), Brother Thomas Stamp (6). Same Louisa is 14 years old in the 1881 census. Not present in the 1891 census. We think this might be our ancestor, but any documents from the Crown Agents confirming her identity would be wonderful to have. :)
Sorry about this 'War and Peace' reply, but as you can see we've been researching lovely Louisa for quite a while, and would love conformation,
Kind regards,
Rob Prahl.
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That does sound like you have done a lot of work already. If there is only one likely candidate it does sound promising.
Louisa had 4 children, did she marry? Do you have a marriage certificate? What age does it have for Louisa - at the birth of her children and at her death, presumably these give you the indication she was born in the 1860s, but is it more specific? :)
You've probably seen the passenger list on "The West Australian" has her name Louisa STAMPS, but I've looked at the actual image and it definitively STAMP.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2991651
As far as finding the records for Felgates, I don't have any better advice than was given previously, maybe contact the National Archives, or the London Metropolitan Archives.
Will keep looking ...
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I'm assuming these are a couple of Louisa's children in WA:
John Thomas CARTER 1886
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTZT-37Z
Francisca Louisa CARTER 1889
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTZR-KL6
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Doesn't help with finding her in London, but I assume this is Louisa's death notice 18 Sept 1916 at Subiaco?
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/26991682
and funeral notice, with details of children
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/26991797
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That does sound like you have done a lot of work already. If there is only one likely candidate it does sound promising.
Louisa had 4 children, did she marry? Do you have a marriage certificate? What age does it have for Louisa - at the birth of her children and at her death, presumably these give you the indication she was born in the 1860s, but is it more specific? :)
You've probably seen the passenger list on "The West Australian" has her name Louisa STAMPS, but I've looked at the actual image and it definitively STAMP.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2991651
As far as finding the records for Felgates, I don't have any better advice than was given previously, maybe contact the National Archives, or the London Metropolitan Archives.
Will keep looking ...
Hi Maddy :)
Thanks for your continued support. She met a cad, John Carter (my 2x GGfather) not long after arriving in Australia. He had had 4 children with his wife Sarah Saxby in Sydney before abandoning them all and moving to Perth. He met Louisa and had 2 children with her, then abandoned her.
She tried to get the two children into the poorhouse here, so she could get work to support herself, but was unsuccessful. The police officer reporting on the situation said "she is a quiet and sober woman...she does not appear to have any associates and is quite friendless, the people from whom she rents her room will give her a few more days grace, after which she will be turned adrift with her two children." Breaks my heart every time I read that :'(
They later reconciled and had two more children.
Her death cert says she was 55 when she died in 1916, making her birth around 1861.The informant was an assistant undertaker. Only two of her children's birth certs have her age...27 in 1896 and 30 in 1899, making her birth around 1869. She was the informant for these birth certs. It seems unlikely she migrated to Australia by herself when she was only 15, so the truth is probably somewhere in between 1861 and 1869. (The Louisa I found in the UK censuses was born in 1867).
Yes I saw the passenger list, and you're right...I think the journalist writing the entry mistook the big 'p' at the end of 'Stamp' for a 'ps'. I also tried researching the other passengers, as there's only a few. I thought she may have migrated with friends. No luck :( Though the other lady called 'Catherine Ringrose' in the newspaper looks to have a different surname on the passenger list. Can you make it out at all?
Cheers :)
Rob.
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That is a sad story, though it sounds like a happier ending.
Whilst I agree that the passenger list doesn't really look like RINGROSE, having a look on FreeBMD there are a couple of Catherine RINGROSE (one born Coventry 1853, the other Caistor 1849). I can't see any other name on FreeBMD searching with RING* that looks better in the time frame. You could try putting a clip of the passenger list on the handwriting decipher board. Clever people there may have some better guesses.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/handwriting-deciphering-recognition/
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Just checking - the Catherine RINGROSE born 1849 Caistor appears to have died 1855 (baptised as Charlotte Catherine RINGROSE 14 Oct 1849, buried 23 Mar 1855 as Catharine Charlotte RINGROSE.
And there is a possible marriage for the other Catherine (1853 Coventry), though I haven't time to check it fully now.
Anyway, probably best to get some other opinions on the surname. :D
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I'm assuming these are a couple of Louisa's children in WA:
John Thomas CARTER 1886
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTZT-37Z
Francisca Louisa CARTER 1889
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTZR-KL6
Hi Maddy :)
Yes, these are her first two children, John and Frances. These are the two that Louisa tried to get into the poorhouse. Frances was my Great Grandmother.
Cheers,
Rob.
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That is a sad story, though it sounds like a happier ending.
Whilst I agree that the passenger list doesn't really look like RINGROSE, having a look on FreeBMD there are a couple of Catherine RINGROSE (one born Coventry 1853, the other Caistor 1849). I can't see any other name on FreeBMD searching with RING* that looks better in the time frame. You could try putting a clip of the passenger list on the handwriting decipher board. Clever people there may have some better guesses.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/handwriting-deciphering-recognition/
Thanks Maddy, I'll give that a shot :)
Cheers,
Rob.
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Doesn't help with finding her in London, but I assume this is Louisa's death notice 18 Sept 1916 at Subiaco?
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/26991682
and funeral notice, with details of children
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/26991797
Hi Maddy :)
Yes, these are her notices. The 'Mrs Alfred Western' referred to is actually her daughter Frances, who married Alfred Western. Funny how married women were referred to by their husband's name.
Trove is such a great resource for researchers :)
Cheers,
Rob.