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Edmond FITZGERALD has been my brickwall for years and he's only back 2 generations!
Relatives think his father was Michael Fitzgerald, a farmer born in Limerick - hmmm, haven't found him at all. (Edmond does write Michael Fitzgerald down as his father on his marriage certificate.)
Edmond ended up in England and he states a different birthplace in every single census. He says Scotland, Mayfair London, Ireland...his birth year would have been c1858. I think it may have been Scotland.
My problem is there are 2 Edmond's in England. One is a solicitor - not mine! The other is a railway servant, railway porter, railway anything. He IS mine. I can't even find Edmond's death/burial. His wife was Ellen Spencer and she died in 1964, but upon her 100th birthday, she claims that her loved one (Edmond) is down the way - already deceased for about 50 years. At this time, Ellen is in a hospital in Surrey.
The last photo of Edmond was taken c1913 and his death must have been prior to 1920.
I don't bother putting in Edmond's name into any search engine anymore, they all come up with the sinking of the EdmUnd Fitzgerald!
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Hi Shash
Are you doing a One Name Study on the entire family name or are you just after information on these particular individuals? :)
If the latter is the case I will gladly move the post for you to a more relevant board which may help to generate a response for you. Please let me have any information on possible locations (County etc.) so I can place it in the right board.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Best wishes
Ticker
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Yes please Ticker. I realize that I made an error. Could you please transfer my posting to the appropriate board.
Thankyou very much.
shash
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any use?
1851 CENSUS...St Giles, Camberwell, Surrey....HO107/1582
2 Thomas Street
Michael Fitzgerald head 32 Ireland
Johanna " wife 30 "
Michael " son 2 Camberwell, Surrey
Mary " daur 2 months " "
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Hi
I dont know if this helps
Edmund Fitzgerald b 20/7/1867 at 789 Agahada cork
father Micheal Fitzgerald
mother Elizabeth Murry
audrey
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Hi Audrey
Thankyou very much for doing this lookup for me. It was kind of you. This might be the correct Edmond, but i can't be sure yet. I am saving all info that kind people like yourself and Bryant find for me.
Good luck in your own reseaching.
shash ;D ;D
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Hi Audrey
Thankyou very much for doing this lookup for me. It was kind of you. This might be the correct Edmond, but i can't be sure yet. I am saving all info that kind people like yourself and Bryant find for me.
Good luck in your own reseaching.
shash ;D ;D
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another Michael
1851 census...St Pauls, Deptford, Kent
1 Florence Road
Michael Fitzgerald head 30 imitator of wood & marble in painting Cork, Ireland
Matilda " wife 28 annuitant Bruges, Belguim
Michael Mason? visitor 2 Surrey
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Bryant, thankyou so much for keeping my elusive Fitzgeralds in mind. I appreciate any of them as one day it WILL be them.
Thanks again.
Shash
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Hi Sasha,youv,e got yourself an interesting line there,which leads from the mundane to the arcane!!Iknow b,cos I was forced to gather all the threads of a particular surname to try for a PATTERN !!If you arent careful its a real cyber trip,lost in space.Way back to 1066!
Dont get sidetracked,
Good hunting,
Goggy
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SHASH!My apologies!
Goggy
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1851
3 East Lane, Greenwich, Kent
Thomas Fitzgerald head 32 bricklayers journeyman Greenwich, Kent
Margaret " wife 33 needler "
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1851
Hog Lane, Greenwich
George Fitzgerald head 51 gardener Ireland
Mary " wife 37 "
Mary " daur 13 Deptford, Kent
John " son 10 "
Catherine " daur 8 "
George " son 5 "
Thomas " " 2 "
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It was very kind of you Bryant to post the Fitzgerald names that you did. I really appreciate your help.
shash
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To add to the list...........born Greenwich 1810 ish.........interesting?
1851
4 Morden Place, Greenwich, Kent
John Fitzgerald head 41 Greengrocer Greenwich, Kent
Harriet " wife 31 "
John " son 11 "
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Bryant, thank you once again for posting more Fitzgerald's for me. You keep finding a lot in Kent. There might be something in that.
This fellow named John is interesting - that was my father's name.
With great appreciation,
Shannon
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1851
Clifton Road, St Paul Deptford
Michael Fitzgerald head 32 bricklayers lab Nunhead, Surrey
Lucy " wife 24 Islington, Middx
Rebecca " daur 2 New Cross
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1851 five? bell? lane, St Paul Deptford
Daniel Fitzgerald head 35 labourer Ireland
Catherine " wife 30 "
Jeremiah " son 7 Deptford
William " " 4 "
Hanah " daur 1 "
??? Savage lodger 21 lab Ireland
Michael ??? " 20 " "
Ellen O'Brien visitor 40 (mar) washerwoman "
Jeremiah " " 6 errand boy "
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1851
1 St James Place, St Pauls Deptford
Mary Fitzgerald servt (unm) 23 Cork, Ireland
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Hello Bryant
Both of the findings that you have posted look interesting, especially the Michael in Deptford in 1851. Naturally I'm going to have to go to google and find out where Deptford is as I don't know my English places.
Thanks very much once again for posting them for me. I'll let you know if any match up.
shash
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1851
20 Victory Street, St Paul Deptford
David Fitzgerald head 40 ?? ?? Dock Ireland
Mary A " wife 33 "
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St Paul Deptford was in Kent now part of London............it borders New Cross & Bermondsey......if your family is found within Southwark or S.E London in general, don't rule out Deptford
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1851
3 Lamberts Buildings, St Paul Deptford
Ann Fitzgerald lodger (u) 23 gardener woman Ireland
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1851
2a Gutters Building, Mill Lane, St Paul Deptford
Patrick Fitzgerald head 33 lab Ireland
Elizabeth " wife 27 "
John Mara lodger40 " "
Patrick Dorron " 40 " "
Ann " wife 40 "
William Thompson lodger 24 " "
Michael Connor " 40 " "
Mary Fitzgerald sister 35 "
Catherine Lowney lodger 20 "
Mary Dorron daur 11 "
Ellen Fitzgerald " 18 months Deptford, Kent
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*thats exactly how the layout of the census occurred!
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1851
1 Florence Road, St Paul Deptford
Michael Fitzgerald head 30 imitator of wood & marble, painting Cork, Ireland
Matilda " wife 28 accountant Bruge, Belgium
Michael Maser? visitor 2 Newington, Surrey
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1841
19 Shards Square, Peckham
John Fitzgerald 30 lab Ireland
Mary " 10 NBIC
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NBIC=NOT BORN IN COUNTY
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1841
NUNHEAD GREEN, PECKHAM
JOHANNA FITZGERALD 60 IRELAND
COLLINS " 21 (male) LAB "
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Thankyou once again Bryant for keeping your eyes open.
With sincere thanks.
shash
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"Bryant, thank you once again for posting more Fitzgerald's for me. You keep finding a lot in Kent. There might be something in that."
Remember that a lot of East End people went fruit/hop picking in the summer. The women and children moved down leaving the husband at home (if he had a job). Children not born in the summer would be born at home in London. If they were born in the summer then the place of birth would be Kent. Remember also that if the wife was only home outside the fruit picking season then that was the time she was most likely to get pregnant making it even more likely the child would be born in the next season.
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Thankyou Sanqhar. This is important information to know of.
Shash in Can.
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VICTIMS OF TYRANNY Brendan Whiting
tells the story of brother convicts from Ireland, Maurice and Michael Fitzgerald.Exiled to New South Wales for life, and by chance, transported on the same ship, they were assigned to Parramatta. It was here that they were flogged, Maurice so viciously that he barely survived, and Michael was subsequently banished to the hellish conditions of Norfolk Island. Reunited five years later, they wre transferred to Van Diemens LandMeticulously researched and full of fascinating insights into the times, Victims of Tyranny is an intimate portrayal of these two men, one whose spirit was finally broken by the physical punishents he suffered, the other whose unfailing determination to bear the odds eventually brought him happiness in his new land
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Hello Shash
This post was first opened when finding info online was not as favourable as it is today so hence the post going into the one name section even though you was hoping for something closer to home than that....so what have you discovered in reference to your Fitzgerald's over the last five years?
Summary
1861 census
Acre Villa infant Asylum, Ealing Green, Brentford, Middlesex
Edmond Fitzgerald........boarder.....3....scholar...........NOT KNOWN
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*there is a Frederick Cooper aged 1 with Edmond in 1861 and he is still with Edmond in 1871 aged 11 even though the household has completely changed so the 1861 and 1871 are the same Edmond and I would imagine he is the same as seen in 1881 &1891
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1871 census
Outram Street, Islington, London, Middlesex
Edmond Fitzgerald........boarder.....13...............NOT KNOWN
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Edmond it appears does not know where he was born (and it appears nor does the infant asylum where he was when 3 years old) so does he now have a licence to change his birthplace as it takes him?
1881 census
3 Upper Agnes Street, Lambeth, Surrey
Edmond Fitzgerald......lodger.....22.....railway servant.........Scotland
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1882
Lambeth R.D
Edmond Fitzgerald marries Ellen Spencer (does Edmond know who his father was, did anyone tell him, did anyone know?)
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1891 census
10, West Field Cottages, Railway Side, Barnes, Surrey
Edmund Fitzgerald....Head......32....Railway Porter....Ireland
Ellen............."...........Wife........27...............................Lambeth, London
Ellen G.........."...........Daur.........6....Scholar................Barnes, Surrey
Edith M........."............Daur.........5....Scholar................Barnes, Surrey
William N......"............Son...........3...............................Barnes, Surrey
Ethel J.........."............Daur.........1................................Barnes, Surrey
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1901 census
8, Moddle Cottages, Mortlake, Surrey
10, West Field Cottages, Railway Side, Barnes, Surrey
Edward W Fitzgerald....Head......43....Railway shunter (points)....Mayfair, London
Ellen............."...............Wife........39.............................................Lambeth, London
Edith M........."...............Daur.......16.............................................Barnes, Surrey
Alice L..........."...............Daur.........9.............................................Mortlake, Surrey
Constance N."...............Daur.........4.............................................Mortlake, Surrey
Elsie G.........."................Daur.........7 months................................Mortlake, Surrey
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1911 census
8 Model Cottages, Mortlake, Richmond, Surrey
Ellen Fitzgerald........Head....48.(mar)....Laundress.......................London
William.......".............Son......24 (unm) Fitter's Lab in Garage........Barnes Surrey Constance.."............Daur.....15....Daily Servant Domestic.............Mortlake Surrey
Elsie............"............Daur.....10...........School...............................Mortlake Surrey
*married 28 years, 7 children born alive, 5 still living two have died.
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Is there any records for the Acre Villa Infant Asylum held at the National Archives at Kew?
Bryant
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I am wondering if you ever found any information about the Acre Villa Infant Asylum, Ealing Green, Ealing as I have a fellow pupil at this Asylum and would appreciate a pointer to any records that you may have found.
The pupil I am interested in is Ellen Gilbert who married into my one-name study of Blofeld.
Thanks
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Hello Keyes
Welcome to rootschat the best family history site around and its free...
You have placed this request in the wrong place which is easily done when you are new to the site....
Start a post/lookup in the London section
I gather this is the place you refer too below
1861 census
Acre Villa infant Asylum, Ealing Green, Brentford, Middlesex
Edmond Fitzgerald........boarder.....3....scholar...........NOT KNOWN
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and is your Ellen Gilbert in fact Phyllis E Gilbert who married Frederick J Blofield in 1946 Acre R.D, Norfolk
If it is Phyllis looks like she was born in the Dec qtr of 1915 Blofield R.D, Norfolk.
and the only Frederick J Blofield I can see was born John Frederick Blofield born 1877 Chelsea...possible but doubtful?
The National Archives at Kew refers to Acre Villa infant Asylum but if i'm reading it correct the file consists of blank pages but you could enquire with them
Bryant
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Thanks for your quick reply.
My Ellen Gilbert was born in Dec 1850 and was registered in Shoreditch RD Q1 1851. She married James Blofeld April 1876. I attached my request to the One-Name Studies A-G because I had found that someone had posted about the Acre Villa infant Asylum and I sort of thought as she married into the Blofeld One name study that the question may qualify.
Thanks also for the hint about the National Archives (I have a meeting in Kew at the end of January so will do some investigating) and also about posting in the London section
Gillian