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Are there any other sources of baptisms in the Stroud/Rodborough area in the 1830s, other than those on the IGI?
I am looking for the children of Joseph and Harriet WALTERS. There are 2 known children (Harriet 1831 Stroud, and Joseph 1837 Stroud - both of whom emigrated to Australia as adults), and more suspected.
This couple don't appear on the 1841 or 1851 Census in Glos, and are proving very difficult to trace - I don't know their birthplace(s) or aproximate birth year. They appeared out of nowhere to get married and have children, then retreated back to nowhere.
They were married in St Mary de Lode Church Gloucester in 1825. Witnesses to the marriage were Henry Miller and Ann Jennings who might be related, but might not.
I would be grateful for any suggestions on this.
Sandra
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A couple more questions:
What was Jos snr's occupation on the marriage cert? Do you have birth certs for the children? Do you have the children on any censuses?
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Hi Sandra,
In 1841 they are in Bristol (Somerset!)
HO107/375 folio 36 page 26
Parish : Temple
Joseph Walters 30 Coach man N (born in county Yes or No)
Harriot Walters 30 Y
Thomas Walters 7 Y
Joseph Walters 5 Y
Harriot Walters 10 Y
Eliza Walters 7 Y
Maria Walters 4 Y
Will have a look at 1851 (Haven't found them so far ???)
Regards
Susan :)
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I think Maria is a servant in Bristol in 1851 and says she was born Stroudwater (although my source does not transcribe it as such!)
A ;)
Modified - can't find that now (should have written it down!) but there is a Mary WALTER servant in Cheshire HO107/2174/80/54 on 1851.
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Hi Arranroots,
I saw that Maria (didn't write it down :() Strnd.......?? , something like that I think. ::)
Susan
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Susan I have gone blue in the face trying to find it again - unbelievable!
No luck with the rest of the family though. shame.
A ;)
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Don't go blue anymore :(
HO107/1948 folio 140 page 1
Bristol St. Mary
Maria Walters 17 Housemaid born Stroudwater, Gloucestershire
birth place indexed as Stnogedwater ::)
Maria we are looking for should be about 14, if 1841 age is correct!
Susan :)
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Phew! breath again!
I wonder if I have found the parents in 1861 in The Red Lion, Burnham, Buckinghamshire? We could do with some feedback!
A ;)
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This could be the death of your Harriett and why we can't find her in 1851 :(
From free BMD's, www.freebmd.org.co.uk/cgi.search
Harriett Walters March qtr. 1844 Bristol vol 11 page 155
Susan :)
Unless that's them in the pub in Bucks. ;D
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Hi Susan,
Sorry, I was asleep here in Australia
I don't have a marriage certificate for Joseph & Harriet Just the entry on the IGI which I emailed the county records office about, and they confirmed the detail, but could only add the witnesses names, no ages, addresses or occupations.
I have Harriet jnr's marriage certificate (Blatherwycke NTH 1852) which states her father's occupation as Ostler, and her death certificate (QLD Aust 1863) which states his occupation as Horse Dealer.
The only birth certificate that I could get for the children of this couple would be Joseph jnr's (I think thats him on FreeBDM Sep 1/4 1837 Stroud, vol 11 page 302), but I didn't get it because I don't think it would tell me anything about his parents that I don't already know.
Someone else researching this family has included the names and ages of the 1841 Bristol children in their data and says that they were all baptised 9 Oct 1836 at Rodborough - I couldn't find proof of this and so always doubted it.
I think Harriet jnr was in Blatherwycke in 1851.
Sandra
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I was interrupted by a knock on my door while writing the last message, and dragged away to help restump my house - I didn't realise we were supposed to start so early. Its been avery long day!
I did mean to thank both Susan and Arranroots (hadn't yet scrolled down to check if Arranroots signs with another name) for their assistance. Its very much appreciated.
The same person who said that the children were baptised in Rodborough in 1836, also said that Joseph snr was baptised there in 1801 and that his parents were Thomas WALTERS and Martha MAYO. There is an IGI entry for this, but I don't know if he is 'my' Joseph.
Although I think that the 1841 Bristol family are probably them, something doesn't quite add up: I understand that ages were rounded down in the 1841 Census, and so a 30yr old may actually be up to 34yrs old, and therefore the birth year would be 1807 at the earliest, making the groom 17yrs old in 1825 which seems a bit unlikely. Its possible that they lied about their ages in 1841, and also their birthplaces.
Bugger! I've just checked and seen a birth for Maria WALTERS Dec 1/4 1838 in Langport Somerset This certifficate could prove/disprove if the Bristol family are mine. I think I'm going to have to get it to be sure.
Sandra
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Hi Sandra
What is restumping? Is it good? Should I get it done??!! ;D
I can't see the Harriet you fancy in 1851 - what is her married name? (I had never heard of Blatherwycke, so this is quite an education!). I can see an older Harriet born Stroud.
The occupation is interesting - if a horse dealer, the family could have been quite mobile. If an ostler it suggests that Joseph was employed and would move with the jobs. Either way, Stroud or Somerset to Northumberland is quite a hike!
Sorry about the q about certs earlier - of course there wouldn't be any for these dates. I am interested to know what info you are certain of and which bits are theories you are testing though.
Let us know if we can help further (or at all!! LOL)
Arranroots ;)
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Ah restumping! Its not good, its necessary. You probably won't need to get it done. :P
Skip this if you're not terribly interested: Early (1870's to 1920's ish) Queenslander-style houses were bulit on stilts (called stumps) to create shade underneath and keep the house cool in our very hot summers. The stumps were put straight into the ground - no concrete in those days. Over time, they get damaged by water, termites, subsidance etc., and they make the whole house 'out of square' i.e the floor and walls slope in different directions and doors & windows don't close well. Restumping fixes it all for the next 90 or so years. If you're really keen go to www.realestate.com.au and type in id no 102737020 for a newly-restumped example, or 102852717 for a typical closed-in-with-pailings example.
Harriet was married in 1852 so should still be Walters in 1851. Did I put the wrong code? I meant Northamptonshire, not Northumberland.
I am certain of Stroud being the birthplace for both Harriet jnr & Joseph jnr. Its on her daughter Ellen's birth certificate, her death certificate, and his marriage certificates. All of these certificates are Australian (ours have more detail than the English/Welsh ones ;D) Harriet jnr's birth year is consistent on her marriage certificate, immigration record, daughter's birth certificate, and death certificate. Joseph jnr's birth year is consistent on his marriage certificates and register of burial.
Joseph WALTERS and Harriet nee WICKHAM are consistently cited as the parents for both.
Thomas, Eliza and Maria are theory, as are the Rodborough baptisms - Is there some way I can check the baptisms if they aren't on the IGI?
Sandra
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Oh I have come over all unneccessary after seeing that house! Funny how it looks like a precipitous height because there is nothing underneath, whereas it is prob only as high as the first floor of any other house! Thanks: I have been informed & edificated!
I fear you are being more help to me than vice versa with this query! Blatherwycke sounded northern, so my brain (!) did the rest & made it Northumberland. Have given self stern talking-to.
Unless someone out there has the GFHS baptisms you will need a visit to the record office to confirm the baptisms. I don;t know when I will be there next, but I will keep a note in case you still need the info.
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Hi Folks
Sorry I didn't spot this thread before - distracted with getting the bathroom redone and having no bath at the moment :( It's not up to restumping but still..... ;D
My local library (10 minutes walk away) has the parish records for Rodborough (and Stroud come to that) so I can double check the dubious baptisms for you, Sandra, if you can wait a day or two until my next shopping trip. Can't leave the house at the moment as plumbing bits keep being delivered.....
Best wishes
Angela
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What an education RootsChat is ;D
Restumping :o I prefer the one with the pailings, don't like heights, although as Arran said probably only at first floor level.
Joseph's occupation of "Ostler" could fit in with "Coach man" in 1841.
Angela's Rodborough look ups should help. I was in the Glos Record Office last week carrying out look ups for folk, and some of the Stroud baptism registers included mother's maiden name ;D so fingers crossed.
regards
Susan :D
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Wow! Thanks very much for the offer Angela. I can wait that long - I've got 4 more restumping days to keep me occupied.
Arranroots you are a bad person for making me laugh like that. I hurt in places that I didn't know I had, and moreso when I laugh.
Thank you all for your help and suggestions.
Sandra
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Hi Sandra
Just to let you know that I hadn't forgotten you - I just haven't been able to get to the library. I'm working on a contract with a delivery date of Monday and I've been spending too much time on-line (as you well know from my other posts), so I'm behind :'(
However, the good news is that Monday is an absolute deadline, so after that I'll be free and the library opens late on Mondays ;D
Is the restumping all finished now? As Susan said - RootsChat is certainly an education. When I left school I knew almost nothing about geography or history and certainly not house construction ::) Now I can see my friends' eyes glazing over while I share with them the latest bits of information I've learned.....
I'll be back Monday, if not before
Best wishes
Angela
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Thanks Angela,
Yes, the restumping is all done - I'm back on the level! ;)
Sandra
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Hi Sandra
Well, you won't believe this but I did finally make it to the library ::)
Not sure how popular I am there since one of the librarians thanked me for enabling her to expand her knowledge of Stroud area information (I'd asked her a question she couldn't answer....... she was really nice......)
Anyway - I checked Rodborough Parish church records between 1829 and 1838 and no sign whatever of your Walters family. The only baptisms on Oct 9th 1836 were for Daniel and Caroline, children of Daniel and Eliza English.
I was really pleased I went there because I didn't realise they also had a set of non-conformist records copied from the Kew archives, so checked the Rodborough Tabernacle records as well. They are, or were, 'Calvinistic Methodist' and also had no Walters baptisms over the whole period I looked (about 20 years).
I looked at various other Stroud churches with no luck - you wouldn't believe how many there were in the mid-1800s :o :o :o
I'm not completely despairing about it - it seems the whole area around Stroud was known as Stroudwater at the time, so I could well have missed one. I'm pretty sure I've got all the non-conformists now. No idea about the Catholics (could they have been Catholic?) but I could look at some of the other Stroud C of E churches when I go back (next few days, hopefully)
Sorry not to have been more help, but I'm fairly sure your contact who said they were baptised at Rodborough was wrong. Did they mention a particular church? (Because I haven't found any Catholic baptisms and don't know where the nearest church was at the time.)
In all the churches I looked at I only found one mention of a Walters, so thought I'd mention it in case it rang any bells - at the Stroud Weslyan church on 27 June 1837, as Martha Walters, daughter of Thomas and Martha Walters was baptised. She was born on 2nd April 1811 (near your Joseph?) and Thomas was described as a farmer at Rodborough.
Best I can do at the moment. but I'm happy to have a look at other parishes in the Stroud are if you like!
Regards
Angela
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Thank you very much Angela,
This just gets stranger and stranger!
The other researcher that I mentioned in my earlier post claims the Martha that you found baptised in 1837 as a sister of "our" Joseph - she is the last child of 8, and he is the 7th, so there is a 10yr gap. The only other "siblings" that appear on the IGI are Mary, christened 1790, died 1791 in Stroud; and Thomas, christened 5 Aug 1798 in Rodborough. This researcher says that Martha married Andrew Bishop in 1834 in Rodborough, and had 9 children, the first of which (Georgina Martha) appears on the IGI baptised at Stroud Wesleyan in 1837. If she was married in 1834, she should have been baptised as Bishop, not Walters in 1837! ???
I feel a bit like I have been telling fibs now - Harriet Jnr's birthplace was stated as Stroudwater twice, but since I had read that Stroudwater was actually Stroud, I just said Stroud :-[ I didn't realise that there was a difference. Sorry!
The only other church that was specifically mentioned was Kings Stanley. There is a burial of an Elisha Walters (claimed to be the infant son of the Thomas above) in 1832 at St George Anglican church Kings Stanley.
As far as religion goes, this family were 'swinging voters'. Joseph Jnr seems to have been a presbyterian.
Harriet jnr had 7 children, 5 of whom lived to adulthood. Her son's children were baptised as anglicans/presbyterians, and her daughters both married catholics.
Thanks for putting so much time into this for me. I really apreciate it.
Sandra
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Hi Sandra
I'm happy to look at the records for you, although I'm MUCH happier when I can actually find something ::)
This term 'Stroudwater' has been bothering me for some time and I've been asking around locally in order to make sense of it. The only historic use of the term I was at all familiar with was in reference to the Stroudwater canal. However, since a lot of the people quoting Stroudwater as a birthplace were weavers (not bargees), it seemed unlikely they were born on the canal ;)
However, I've recently come across the term as referring to an area in the cloth industry, which makes a lot more sense. Apparently, the river (stream) now known as the Frome was also known as Stroudwater and the mills were located along its banks.
Upper Stroudwater seems to cover the region from the hills around Bisley right down to Stonehouse and the river Severn, whereas Lower Stroudwater goes down to the river Cam and Dursley.
Not at all a helpful term to have when looking for parish records - it's a vast area ::)
The library at Stroud doesn't seem to have records for Kings Stanley, but quite a few people go to the main Record Office in Gloucester fairly regularly and would probably look there for you. I'm not likely to go myself for a little while or I'd have a look.
I'm sure we can sort this out a bit better for you - my brain isn't working well today (lack of sleep due to work pressures) so I'm not thinking straight. I'll have another think when I've recovered a bit!
Angela
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I'm in the Glos. Record Office tomorrow, will look at King's Stanley ;D
Think I'd better take a copy of all this info with me ::)
Angela any other records that your library doesn't have?
Susan :)
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Hi Susan
It's easier to say what it DOES have (it's only titchy but an easy walk away, so useful ;D)
It has C of E records for Berkeley, Coaley, Dursley, Elmore, Frocester, Longney, Nympsfield, Owlpen, Painswick, Rodborough, Quedgeley, Stroud, Sapperton and Stonehouse
Non-conformist records for -
Avening Forest Green - Independent
Avening Upper Forest Green - Independent
Bisley France Meeting House - Independent
Downend - Wesleyan
Painswick Upper Chapel - Independent/ Congregational
Pitchcombe - Independent
Randwick Ebley Chapel - Countess of Huntingdon (?!!)
Rodborough Tabernacle - Calvinistic Methodist
Stonehouse - Methodist
Stroud - Baptist
Stroud - Wesleyan
Stroud Old Meeting - Independent
It goes without saying that if anyone wants any of these checked - I'm your person ;D
Have fun at the Record Office tomorrow :)
Angela
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Randwick Ebley Chapel - Countess of Huntingdon (?!!)
Find all you need to know about The Countess of Huntingdon's Connexion (sic) Here (http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=38775)
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Thanks very much for that Arranroots - really fun reading ::)
I wonder how these chapels differed from other Calvinistic Methodists, such as at Rodborough ?.........
.......... No, no I really don't have to find out - I was just curious ;D
Angela
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Hi All,
Mystery solved! It was Stroud at Church of St.Lawrence
9th Oct. 1836
Eliza daughter of Joseph & Harriet Walters High St. Inn Keeper
born 10th July 1831
Thomas son of Joseph & Harriet Walters High St. Inn Keeper
born 25th May 1833
Maria daughter of Joseph & Harriet Walters High St. Inn Keeper
and
20th Oct 1837
Joseph son of Joseph & Harriet Walters High St. Inn Keeper & Horse Dealer
So, I believe, you can safely say the 1841 Bristol family is one and the same :D
Susan :)
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Wow! Thank you so much Susan, ;D
Its a bit of a shock to get confirmation of the suspected, (and another spotting on this family) after trying for so long. I think I'll be smiling all day now.
So why wasn't Harriet (the one that I am decended from) there too? - for the same reason that it rains whenever I wash my car. ;)
Sandra
(a very happy rootschatter)
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Hi Sandra
I posted here last night but it got lost somehow :'(
I'm SO pleased for you that the family turned up. Sounds like they were possibly originally from Rodborough but moved into Stroud. I'll have another look for Harriet when I'm next at the library (sorry I didn't find the others - didn't get as far as St Lawrences....). Looks like they baptised the children in batches so who knows when she was 'done'! Might even have been baptised when they got to Bristol.....
I wonder which inn in the High Street they were running? One of the local history books I have here has a list dated 1903 which mentions 5 - three of which were closed and the other 2 had been demolished. Wonder if the temperance movement had been through Stroud.......
Best wishes
Angela
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Hi folks!
And a belated Happy Australia Day Sandra!
Haven't you done well with your discoveries?
I would think Harriett, as the eldest, would have been baptised as an infant before her siblings. As to where ... ??
I had a look at the online directories, but the 1830s is perhaps a bit early & I didn't find any WALTERS keeping inns.
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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That was a good idea, Arranroots!
I had a look at my copy of the 1830 Pigots, but obviously just a bit too early.... I wonder if they produced one in about 1836 - that would be handy ::)
Best wishes
Angela
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This is still on my clipboard, from another post
http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/index.asp
;D
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Hi Everyone :D
Once I saw that Eliza was born 10 July 1831, had a look through 1829/30 for Harriet's baptism no sign at St.Lawrence's.
This is the marriage record of Joseph and Harriett
St.Mary de lode Gloucester
Joseph Walters of the Hamlet of Tuffley in thisParish & Harriet Wickham of the same Hamlet were married in this Church by Banns 26th June 1825.
Joseph Walters
Harriet Wickham
in the presence of Henry Miller
X mark of Ann Jennings
W. Ha..........?
No ages given, but by banns, does that mean they were of full age, or under 21 marrying with parent's consent?
Susan :)
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Just realised I had a copy of Robson's 1839 directory, so looked in that at inns and pubs in Stroud.
Looks like Joseph and Harriet had left the High St inn by 1839 and weren't there in 1830, so that gives a window. Probably they'd already moved to Bristol by 1839? Unfortunately, ostlers don't appear in trades directories, so we can't check that way!
Best wishes
Angela
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I want to thank you all very much for your help with this.
I have definate baptisms, a census sighting, and a possible death certificate (that may lead to a gravestone inscription). I also have occupation confirmed and a few places to look that might show his address at different times. The marriage by banns has piqued my interest (I'll have to find out if there is more detail to be found somewhere), and Tuffley is also a lead - the Gloucestershire Record Office didn't mention it when they confirmed the marriage details. Tuffley isn't on the IGI, so there may not have been a church, but Its worth checking the Censuses for other WALTERS & WICKHAMS born there.
I never expected to get so much from one request, and I am very grateful.
Sandra
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Hi again Sandra
I think I am right in saying that Tuffley comes into the parish of St Mary de Lode
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Gloucester/StMarydeLode/Gaz1868.html
It is a much bigger place these days...
A ;)
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Sorry to drag you back to a conversation that you thought was over, but I'm trying to sort-out an inconsistency of coverage between different versions of what should be the same data.
I have re-checked (family history online) for the Harriet WALTERS entry in Northamptonshire in the 1851 Census and found her again (except that I was mistaken about Blatherwycke - it was actually Kings Cliffe). FHO doesn't have a 'others in the household' facility so I asked on the Northamptonshire list, and the reply that I got was that she wasn't there. Arranroots was unable to find her either when I first mentioned it in this thread - It would help me to know what source you used to search (i.e. Ancestry, CDs etc.)
FHO didn't give the GRO reference, just the location of Kings Cliffe, in the hundred of Willybrook, 19yrs, born Stonewater, page 12a.
I also tried to get the 1861 Census image of the Red Lion in Burnham Buckinghamshire from 1837online, but got the "returned zero matches" message for both the name and location searches. :(
It seems that I have niavely assumed that if it has all come from the same original source, each version should contain the same data - excepting transcription errors. ???
Sandra
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Well this should help a bit
RG9/854/23/13
Joseph WALTER H M 52 - beer retailer & hair dresser - Bucks High Wycombe
Harriet W M 55 - Gloucestershire Stroud
Mary A COX gd dau 10 - scholar - Bucks Burnham
Address: Red Lion, Burnham, Buckinghamshire
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Hi Sandra and A :D
Found her! Transcribed as Walton born Horsmonden :o
Charles Naylor Head Mar 67 Butcher Rutland Ketton
Sarah Naylor Wife Mar 61 - Northants. Cliffe
Harriett Walters Visitor U 19 - Stonewater ?
Ruth Andrews Visitor 4? - Northants. Cliffe
Kings Cliffe
HO107/1746 folio 347 page 12
Not sure about the age of Ruth Andrews could be 4 or 1 + another number ???
Susan :)
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Tremendous Susan!!
;D 8) ;D
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Thank you both very much ;D
Walton I can understand (and may have eventually considered), but Horsmoden! I'd never have guessed.
This has been a valuable lesson for me. It IS all the same data and the different transcribers each interpret what they read, or sometimes have to guess. If it can't be found from one source, I'll try another, hoping that their interpretation/guess may be closer.
I'm happy again now and will look further into the Bucks lot.
Thanks ;D ;D
Sandra
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Dear Sandra
How have you been faring in tracing the details about our shared ancestors Joseph Walters and Harriet Wickham?
I am a great grandson of Joseph's and Harriet's son Joseph Walters.
Over the years I have had difficulty obtaining credible info about Joseph and Harriet.
These puzzlers remain.
1. Why no recorded issue for 6 years after the notification of banns/wedding of Joseph and Harriet?
2.Why no 1851 Census data for Joseph snr and Harriet snr and no 1851 census data for Joseph jnr? and
3. Why no recorded birth/christening info for your Harriet jnr?
Regards
Blair
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Hi Blair,
Not much further progress, I'm afraid. Its like I've got a jigsaw puzzle with no picture on the box, some of the pieces are missing, and some pieces that may not belong in the box.
The 1861 couple at Burnham seem a good fit (right names (except for the absent s in the surname), right occupation, and one born in Stroud), but if the ages are correct, Joseph would have been 16 when they married. I'll assume they said that they were younger than they actually were. Then there is the granddaughter Mary A COX (Mary Ann) - there is only one birth and corresponding christening that matches the name, age and place, but her mother was Mary COX (no father listed).
Have you noticed that the children's ages in the 1841 Census don't quite match the birth dates from their christenings. I think that the Vicar made a couple of errors made in recording the names and birthdates in the register - Harriet's name has been missed out, and Eliza has been given Harriet's birthdate (the 1841 Census shows that Eliza and Thomas were twins). Maria was christened in 1836, yet the 1841 Census suggests that she was not born until 1838 - could be that the first Maria died, and the next baby girl was named after her. I wonder if the threat of an epidemic, or an illness already apparent in Maria was what prompted the christenings of all of the children.
In answer to your questions:
1. I don't know, it was unusual for the time - maybe a few miscarriages/ infant deaths?
2. They may have been in some of the missing parishes or there might yet be entries, just mistranscribed. The problem is that they didn't stay in one place, so we don't know where to look
3. I think that I've solved (without proof) that one.
At least we do have some confirmation of facts.
A few snippets that I have found that may turn out to be relevant: In Pigot & Co's Directory of Berks, Bucks, Cornwall, Devon, Dorset & Glos 1844, there is an entry in Bristol Gloucestershire under Taverns & Public Houses for the Blue Bowl, run by Henry Walters, Temple back; and also one for a Retailer of Beer, Thomas Walters, at Hotwell Rd Bristol. I can't help wondering if there is a connection there. It might be coincidence, but here was a marriage in High Wycombe Bucks of a Henry Christoph Walter in 1805.
Regards
Sandra
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Dear Sandra
Thanks for the update.
Joseph and Harriet still have a bit of mystery about them. I still think he was born in Gloucestershire about 1808 and his parents were Thomas Walters and Martha Mayo.
All I know is that Joseph Snr was involved in the hospitality industry and I think was responsible for horses (buying, stabling etc) at the various inns he was associated with.
I have the following information;
On son's Marriage Certificate, occupation recorded as a farrier.
On daughter's marriage certificate, occupation ostler.
On son's birth certificate his occupation is given as an innkeeper and horsedealer.
On daughter's death certificate, occupation given as horsedealer.
My great grandfather, Joseph Jnr had a dairyfarm in Gladstone and also was involved with horse raising and dealing. He owned a lot of property in Gladstone where he raised and kept horses and died a wealthy man.
I suspect he also ran a lodging house in addition to the dairy farm.
Yes Joseph Snr was at one stage in Bristol as confirmed by the 1841 Census and ironically on Joseph Jnr's death certificate it is incorrectly recorded that he ( Joseph Jnr) was born in Bristol! His occupation in 1841 is recorded as a coachman which again suggests he was responsible for buying and maintaining the coach horses who were stabled at the various inns and hotels.
My grandfather Joseph Wallace Hamilton Walters was a stockman and horse and cattle buyer so there is little doubt that the Walters have long been involved with livestock!
Regards
Blair
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Hi,
This looks like the same family as Arranroots found but this time they are down as Walker.
1851 - High Street, Burnham, buckinhamshire
Joseph Walker 42 b Wycombe, Buckinghamshire 1809, Beer House Keeper & Hair Dresser
Harriet Walker 43 b Stroud Gloucestershire 1808
Joseph Walker 21 b Wycombe, Buckinghamshire 1830, Carpenter (journey Man)
Thomas Walker 19 b Burnham, Buckinghamshire 1832, Ap to Machine Maker (i think)
Ann Walker 16 b Burnham, Buckinghamshire 1835
John Jones 32 Lodger
William Mitchell 27 Lodger
William Robinson 25 Lodger
HO107/ 1718, 634, 39
Julia :D
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Thanks very much Julia,
It looks like WALKER was the real surname - I've found a baptism for Ann WALKER (parents Joseph and Harriet on 23 Nov 1834 at Burnham on IGI (Batch No. C013598). The fact that Harriet was born in Stroud was just a tantalising coincidence. Thats one possibility firmly eliminated.
I'm still not convinced that Joseph was born in Stroud - The 1841 Census states that he was not born in the county, but Harriet and the children were. There is some debate over wether Bristol was in Somerset or Gloucestershire, but if father and children were all born in the same town, the answer to the question of were they born in this county should have been unanimous - either all yes, or all no.
Sandra
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Thanks Julia and I agree with Sandra that the Buckinghamshire man is not our Joseph!
I guess we'll have to find the death certificates for Joseph and Harriett to sort out the mystery but that will be a little diffcult.
A couple of teasers;
Deaths Mar 1844
WALTERS Harriett Bristol 11 155
Deaths Jun 1842
WALTERS Harriet Bath
Deaths Jun 1855
Walters Joseph Bath 5c 503
REgards
Blair