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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: javajune on Tuesday 14 September 04 21:38 BST (UK)
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I am in receipt of a record from the Digger Pioneer Index 1836 - 1888 which gives a few death details of Ebenezer LAKER. However, I have searched all of the ships passenger lists that I know of, as well as the Assisted Imigrants index on the Victoria government site, for any mention of when Ebenezer arrived in Australia, to no avail.
The scanty details from Digger are: Ebenezer LAKER, father Joseph, mother Elizabeth, age 28, birth place Sussex, year of death 1858, registration no. 3148.
Can anyone point me in the right direction to find out more about Ebenezer on a ship's list and where and why he might have died. His brother, Josiah, emigrated in 1855 (I believe that he followed Ebenezer out) and went to the goldfields. I have Josiah's records.
(hope springs eternal)
Javajune
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If you follow the BDM links from here
http://www.dvc.vic.gov.au/bdm.htm (the actual link is miles long)
you can download an image of the death certificate which will hopefully give some more information - which may include time spent in australia (thus approx arrival date) and family details. If he moved around Australia it may also give the state of arrival. (Information depends on who was the informant and what details were known).
It should certainly give cause of death. There is a fee but it is not as expensive as obtaining a certified certificate. It costs $AU17.50(about 7.00GBP).
Do you know if he arrived as a convict or free settler? There is much convict information online.
Most of the state archives have shipping list information, but apart from the one you have mentioned, very few are online - although NSW has some at
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/ (link to online indexes).
Trish
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Hi Trish:
thank you very much for the response to my query. The death certificate would be a wonderful thing to have, but at $AUS17.50 it will have to go in line behind my more pressing Birth Certificates.
I shall keep that link for future use.
I think he would have been a *free settler* and not a convict - although, you never know. I think he was paving the way for his younger brother who followed him out a couple of years later.
The shipping records at nsw.gov... sounds familiar, however I shall try that link as it may be one that I have not seen before.
With gratitude
Javajune
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Hi JJ
It is annoying that all registry offices want to make money from selling certificates - Have you searched on line for burial/grave information - there is some around for Victoria.
Are you in australia? all the state libraries and/or archives have files on immigrant arrivals that you can search - but you have to visit the library. Look at the site online for your state to see what they have available.
good searching
Trish
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Hi Trish:
No. I have not searched for burial/grave information because I don't know how!
I am in Canada and the Australian government websites do not offer much, if any, information for free. Except for the unassisted passenger list index on the Victoria gvt. site. I did subscribe to that site, but the search fees are enormous!
I have searched all of the Victoria cemetery websites that I can find, to no avail. perhaps you could point me in a different direction regarding burial/grave sites.
As ever
Javajune
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Hi JJ
I'm in Queensland which doesn't help much in getting to the Victorian archives office (about 1600km away). I'll keep your name on my list and check when I'm at the Qld archives or library (our library might well have something). If I find anything else I will let you know. I just found this online
at http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/archivesvictoria/t1tbmain.asp
Wills (VPRS 7591) and Probates (VPRS 28) can be ordered via Archives @ Victoria, and then viewed at the VAC Reading Room. Copies can be requested at the time of viewing, if required. To make it easier for researchers, Wills and Probates can now be ordered via their file number using the Probate and Inquest Search engine (under searching in the main menu). They cannot be ordered by person’s name. To obtain the file number, the Probate Index must be checked. The Probate Index is on microfiche, and available at VAC and BAC Reading Rooms, as well as many Libraries, Genealogical Societies, and Historical Societies.
Don't know if any of your local associations would have a copy - the LDS might. I'll check it when I'm anywhere that has a copy.
Trish
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Hi JJ
I am wondering if you have had any success with your initial query on this OLD post?
Moderator :D
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Hi Grub:
Thank you so much for asking. No success with finding Ebenezer LAKER records since this thread of 2004. I have just about given up. Do you know something you would like to share with me?
On the other hand, were you going to remove the post? I see that it has been read so many times and hope that, eventually, a LAKER researcher might contact me.
June
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Hi June
I personally have nothing to add, but felt that, if the post were brought back up to the top of the board, it would generate some renewed interest and we do have truly marvellous researchers, and they in turn have more resources.
If you had not responded, the post may have been moved at some point to our "COMPLETED" board, where it could still be accessed.
Fingers Crossed...
Grub :D
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Have you seen this?
http://genforum.genealogy.com/laker/messages/3.html
J.
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Hell o there
I am guessing that in the past four years you have not been able to buy his death certificates. It would be interesting to see who gave the information, it was obviously someone who knew his parents details, perhaps he married!!
Sometimes you will also get a little snippet like the ship they might have arrived on.
kind thoughts Jenn
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I have a number of ancestors who died around this time and are buried in the Melbourne General Cemetery so I emailed them on the off chance he was buried there. Not many cemeteries open in Melbourne at that time, and I had searched some of the cemeteries in the old gold mining areas of central Victoria with no success.
I received an email today with the good news...... ;D
Ebenezer LAKER is buried in the Melbourne General Cemetery. He does not have a headstone with his name on it but he is buried with
Baptist Compartment C Grave 13
Charlwood, Sophia aged 12 months buried 03.12.1854
Charlwood, Philip aged 22 buried 05.05.1856
Laker, Ebenezer aged 28 buried 24.04.1858
Charlwood, Stephen aged 31 buried 06.10.1858
Charlwood, Arthur aged 62 buried 28.04.1860
Charlwood, Jane aged 82 buried 18.04.1883
All of the above are buried with Ebenezer.
I found on the CD of Index of Transcriptions of Monumental Inscriptions to 1989 the following
CHARLWOOD
Here rest in sure and certain hope of a joyful resurrection to eternal life, the mortal remains of
Arthur CHARLWOOD born 15 Apr 1798, died 27 Apr 1860
and Jane his beloved wife, born 8 Jun 1800, died 17 Apr 1883
and also their children
Stephen born 10 Sep 1827, died 5 Oct 1858
Philip born 10 Apr 1834, died 3 May 1856
Susanna born 29 Aug 1842, died 7 May 1871
Elizabeth CHARLWOOD born 23 Oct 1829, died 4 Aug 1893
and their eldest grandson
Stephen James born 1855, died 1875
and four other grandchildren who died in infancy.
Blessed are the dead which died in the Lord.
From the death indexes in case they are relatives
CHARLWOOD Arthur
Father James Mother Phoebe PENFOLD
1860 62 years born in Surrey Reg#4463
and this obviously a transcription error in the index..showing John instead of Jane...and only CHARLWOOD death in Victoria for 1883.
CHARLWOOD John [Jane]
Father LATTEN Richard
1883 82 years at Fitzroy South Reg#5089
The age ties in with the ages on the headstone.
Do you know if these people are relatives?
This doesn't help with locating Ebenezer on the shipping records....you would have to download his death cert to find out how long in the colony.
Cheers
Cando
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This death may help explain the reason he is buried with the CHARLWOOD's
Death
1856
CHARLWOOD Philip
Father Arthur Mother Jane LAKER
22 years Birth place Norfolk Reg#2159
Very poor transcription of Jane's death cert in the post above...the father's name should be LAKER not LATTEN.
Cheers
Cando
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Many thanks to those who have responded thus far. In particular:
Jamjar: That's me on the genforum post. Unfortunately, nothing new there.
Jenn: Good thoughts. Yes, as I now have a connection (see below) I will be ordering the death certificate.
Cando: What a treasure you are. Yes, the CHARLWOODs are relatives. In fact, Jane LAKER is Ebenezer's aunt and my 3rd great-aunt. I have just recently found the Charlwood family emigrating to Australia (New South Wales) but did not connect them there to Ebenezer. As far as I knew, he went to the goldfields in Victoria and died there. I had searched all of the cemeteries that I could find in that area.
Ebenezer's niece, Eunice Mary LAKER, born 1866 at Morrisons, died 1951 in Melbourne, not married and, as far as I know, had no issue.
As far as Arthur CHARLWOOD and Jane LAKER are concerned, they produced Phoebe who married Charles MUSKETT. Phoebe and charles produced two children, Alice and Philip, both born Sydney, NSW. Very interesting story. However, neither of them married and again, as far as I know, there are no issue. Looks as if the MUSKETT line has died out.
Thank you very much for posting that information. It seems that so much of my family went to Australia, including a female first cousin (my generation). Who she is is anybody's guess.
With gratitude
June
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June I was delighted to receive that email from the Melbourne Cemetery....actually thought it was probably a waste of time asking them but then have had some successes in the past :) Ah the thrill of the chase ::)
The CHARLWOOD and MUSKETT names don't occur very often in the Victorian indexes...I will pm you what is there as you may find it interesting. Charles and Phoebe actually had four children in Victoria, two of who died as infants.
If you already have the info and don't want it, you can delete it ;D
Cheers for now
Cando
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Javajune,
Do you have any idea if your Ebenezer Lake was in the military and therefore part of the soldiers who were sent out to guard the convicts on their voyages?
If this is the case he would not show up in any shipping records. Howevere there are sites now focussing on these much forgotten and most probably just as unwilling mmigrants as were the convicts.
Do you have an idea of the time fram?
This could be gained from inforamtion on his death certificate. Sometimes it is necessary to purchaes certificates because of the extra information on them that is not included on the online indexes.
regards
Robyn in Australia
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If you know were the family home is in Melbourne you should be able to Find the house on Google Earth/street search,I am In Melbourne if I can be of any help let me know, regards, Billy.
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Phoebe who married Charles MUSKETT. Phoebe and charles produced two children, Alice and Philip, both born Sydney, NSW. Very interesting story. However, neither of them married and again, as far as I know, there are no issue. Looks as if the MUSKETT line has died out.
You will probably know that Philip died 1909.
You can read his long will....
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/Index_search.asp?searchid=54
You are right, there were no heirs, Some to his sister ALice and much to charities and hospitals.
Sue
There are also the wills of his parents and also a number of your CHARLWOOD people.
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I pm'd all the CHARLWOOD/MUSKETT bdm data to javajune after receiving the email from Melbourne General Cemetery... The Vic indexes revealed that Phillip and Phoebe were born in Melbourne not Sydney.
June, Ebenezer may have arrived via South Australia either the ports Adelaide or even Robe and travelled overland or via coastal shipping. I had a number of Unassisted ancestors who arrived in Victoria via that route.
For shipping records of unassisted emigrants arriving in Victoria before 1852 there are a couple of other resources but not online. On is the Marion BUTTON's Argus passenger index 1846-1851 [microform] / indexed and the name of the other one escapes me at the moment. The names have been transcribed from the newspaper the "Argus".
Cheers
Cando
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Hi Just came across this thread by pure chance, and I don't know if I can help or not, I don't know anything about this Ebenezer Laker but my late mum was a Charlwood she was a second cousin 3x removed from Arthur Charlwood and Jane Laker, I live in London England and know that Arthur and Jane went to Australia about 1850 they went to Melbourne Australia, and Arthur was a printer, I have quite a bit about the Charlwood family in Oz, even though I am in England ha ha, anyway, I was very interested to see your thread as we might be able to help each other, what I noticed, and also on other threads Arthur's parents are wrongly transcripted, his parents were a James Charlwood and a Phobe Wicks, I have actually seen their Grave and have photos of it 'somewhere' an Australia rellie called Don Charlwood (great grandson of Arthur, who lives in Australia) has actually done a lot of research while in the Village Charlwood many many years ago, he also had made a beauiful Brass plaque made with all of the burial details on it......so it will be readable for other 100 hundred years at least. I am guessing as Ebenezer was buried with Arthur, Jane,and their children as he must have at the time been in Melbourne, there were an awful lot of Charlwood in Melbourne at the time, and of course there families are still there now...you need to search the Austalian passage list, if you haven't already, if you haven't I will try and do it for you if you like...
Arthur's son, Stephen had sailed with a number of other Particular Baptists, including two of his sisters and their husbands, on the Harpley. She berthed in Melbourne on 7 January 1850. Arthur and lane and their six younger children followed him on 24 October 1850 on the Success. so maybe Ebenzer went with then or follow soon after, anyway if this is of any help, just shout and I will see if we can help each other....best wishes and a happy new year to you........Lynda, a cuz from London....... :D :D :D
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Hi Lynda
Welcome to rootschat :)
I spent a bit of time on the request for Ebenezer LAKER...so hence my interest.
The information re Ebenezer's parents names on the death certificate would have been supplied by the informant....more than likely one of the CHARLWOOD family in Melbourne I would have thought, but it may have been someone else. The purchase of the death cert would reveal all.
Re the shipping information.
I pm'd all the CHARLWOOD/MUSKETT bdm data to javajune after receiving the email from Melbourne General Cemetery... The Vic indexes revealed that Phillip and Phoebe were born in Melbourne not Sydney.
For shipping records of unassisted emigrants arriving in Victoria before 1852 there are a couple of other resources but not online. On is the Marion BUTTON's Argus passenger index 1846-1851 [microform] / indexed and the name of the other one escapes me at the moment. The names have been transcribed from the newspaper the "Argus".
Cheers
Cando
There are no LAKERS on the Assisted lists into Victoria.
Unfortunately there are no online unassisted shipping records pre 1852 to Victoria at PROV. I think the above resource of Marion BUTTON's is the only one that covers the period 1850.
Looking at the early bdm's for Victoria there were three families of CHARLWOODs in Victoria and I have pm'd all the data to June...hope she noticed the pm :-\
I do hope June sees your post...she hasn't been online since her last posting on this thread. From June's posts it appears she lives in Canada.
Cheers for now :)
Cando
Edit to correct info
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Hello, many thanks for your message, along with you, lets hope that June reads ours messages, I have just found on the Family Search web site, a Ebenezer Laker born 5 th Jan 1825 christened 25th March 1832 Independent-Nc, Horsham, Sussex, England parents Joseph and Elizabeth... so that fits.also christened at the Church are:
Caroline B.30 Oct 1827. Bapt 09 DEC 1827 Independent-Nc, Horsham, Sussex, England
Joseph b.15 Dec 1826 , Bapt 09 DEC 1829 Independent-Nc, Horsham, Sussex, England
Josiah b. 6 Dec 1831 . Bapt 09 DEC 1832 Independent-Nc, Horsham, Sussex, England
EUNICE b.16 jan 1834 Bapt 29 JUL 1837 Independent-Nc, Horsham, Sussex, England
Elizabeth 19 March 1824 Bapt 09 DEC 1827 Independent-Nc, Horsham, Sussex, England parent Joseph and Elizabeth Laker.
from my notes: (Arthur Charlwood married Jane Laker, )
While still a young man Arthur Charlwood left St Nicholas, the ancestral church of his family, and joined the Particular Baptist sect which had proselytized strongly in the area. In 1823 he married a Particular Baptist girl, lane Laker, who lived seven miles away in Sussex. They married in Brighton, being obliged by the law of the day to marry in the established church. In Brighton Arthur had served his apprenticeship and there he either set up in business or was employed as a compositor. .. I am wondering if this Ebenezer Laker actually went to Melbourne, rather than Victoria, as that might be worth a search, all of the Charlwoods went to Melbourne, so it would make sense that he went there first, anyway, June has enough to get on with. I too, will carrying on searching and see what I can come up with, many thanks again for your message....Lynda ;)
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Hello there Daisy and Welcome to Rootschat
As you said "lets hope that June reads ours messages", a lot of RCERS have it said up that you get notifications of topic replies, perhas you are
Anyway hope you enjoy your time on rootschat there are a lot of helpfull folk on here
kind thoughts Jenn
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Thank you for all you lovely words, I have actually been a member since about 2005!! lol, just never been on the chat boards,I didn't realise they were here !!! I have added quite a bit of information to different trees on here, I just never gone/bothered to go back on the Laker family before, as they married into my family... but its all good stuff though, and other twig to my tree, fingers crossed that June reads her emails, and gets these messages, as I do have quite a bit I could share with her, and I am sure she could help me....now I have found these boards, I will be a regular visitor I am sure, there is always something you can find, no matter how much you have...and its great meeting distance rellies....see you all soon...Lynda 8).
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I am wondering if this Ebenezer Laker actually went to Melbourne, rather than Victoria, as that might be worth a search, all of the Charlwoods went to Melbourne, so it would make sense that he went there first,
Just for you info :) :D Melbourne is the capital city of the State of Victoria....and I have searched for forwarded all the early LAKER bdm data to June.
Cheers
Cando
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Oh!, Ok ha ha, see I don't live in Australia.!!!! :-[ have to think of something else..back later, of on a search....haha....Lynda :)
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Lynda :)....only trying to help. ;D I had to spend ages sorting out which board in England to place requests for help with my rellies...and I must say my geography of Lancashire and Cheshire [with the shifting boundaries over the years] has improved enormously.
Cheers :D
Cando
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HI,
NSW indexes have the free and unassisted passengers to Victoria pree 1850. Melbourne was part of NSW at that time.
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=43
Could this be your man:
LAKER Mr Diana P 3/11/1849 Port Albert 1276
regards
Robyn in Wodonga
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Mmmmm :-\ Robyn I would have thought that this would be an arrival in Sydney from Port Albert, Vic...but part of NSW. The other record shows an arrival from Melbourne. Many records on the database have been sourced from the SMH.
LAKER Mr
Ship Diana Status P
Date of arrival 3/11/1849
FROM Port Albert Reel 1276
A look is needed at Marion BUTTON's Argus index.
Cheers
Cando
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Hi Cando, sorry I wasn't being rude!! I was only joking, and I do appreciate your help... :-[
have found this Ebnezer Laker's brother in the 1881 census with his wife and family, so he stayed in England, there doesn't seen to be any other Lakers from that line....
I did wonder if Melbourne was part of NSW, seems that our problem might have been solved by Robyn in Wodonga , (thanks Robyn) only problem is why did this Laker go by the name Mr Laker , never make it easy do they???..I know the rest of family that when to Australia, paid their fare, that was why I thought it might be worth checking the Australian passage list... not sure where to go with this now......where's June when you need her ha ha......Lynda :(
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Hi Lynda....I didn't think any such thing ;)
Sometimes it can be awkward to right inaccurate info...and you did say you were in London :)
I think you need Ebenezer's death certificate which will show his time in Australia.
I think the LAKERS would be listed on Marion BUTTON's Argus Index. I found all my ancestors who emigrated before 1852 on her index. I doubt the record on the NSW database which shows the journey from Port Albert [Victoria] is Ebenezer.
Cheers
Cando
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Good morning everyone:
I have just received email notification of all your messages this morning. I have lots to tell about these families but need to get my act together (still have to make the bed and wash the dishes, etc. - how boring!) I'll be back! June
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Hello everyone:
I have printed out your messages and will be responding in date order:
Robyn: Ebenezer Laker was not in the military. Good thought though.
Billy: I never thought of a Google Earth street search. I wonder if the streets have changed much, especially the numbering. I have just had a quick look on my Legacy programme and it seems that I do not have house addresses. Will look again when I have more time.
Sparrett: Thanks to the link that you posted, I have found some wills and probates.
Cando: Your information was invaluable. I have never heard of Marion BUTTON, but will Google for her indexes - for other people - as I find Ebenezer emmigrated in about 1853.
Daisy Flower (Lynda): I do have Charlwood data which I would happily share with you. We should put our heads together. I do have the Harpley passenger list and knew that more Charlwoods followed on another ship. I do not have the passenger list for the latter sailing - perhaps you can help there. Would you like to PM me.
Cando: I bought the death record for Ebenezer LAKER and, for the money, I was quite disappointed. Seems he was 5 years in Victoria, was a Printer and the informant was his uncle, Arthus CHARLWOOD. He died of what looks for Phithius (I think I have misspelled that word, but I think I remember it as being/meaning TB) which he had for 3 years. Interesting that you find three CHARLWOOD families. I reckoned there were two, but that was just a guess.
Daisy Flower: I have all the LAKER records and yes, Arthur Charlwood married my great grandaunt, Jane Laker
Regross (Robyn): thanks for your input. As I have now discovered my Ebenezer went over in about 1853 so the Mr. LAKER that arrived in Port Albert, 1849, would not be he. I sure would like to know who he was though.
Cando: FROM Port Albert! Perhaps Marion BUTTON's Argus index would include an initial. I shall have to see.
Daisy Flower: [where's June when you need her?] I'm right here.
Many thanks to all of you for your input. It's pretty lonely sometimes out here in the wilderness, working on this obsession all by myself.
June
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Hi again
Unfortunately Marion BUTTON's Argus index 1846-1865 is not online - the index is on fiche and is available at PROV and probably other places. You now have information from Ebenezer's death cert that he possibly emigrated c1853 there may be more hope of finding an online shipping record. However it would be advisable to make a new request with the heading Shipping Lookup at PROV ...or somesuch and hopefully one of the 'chatters who visits PROV regularly may be able to help you.
1858 was only 3 years after civil registration commenced in Victoria and some of the information on the early certs can be a bit scanty...but should have included the following...if known by his uncle.
Deaths [Info at top of board Australian Resources > Victorian Resources....
Date and place of death; name and surname; occupation of the deceased; sex and age; cause of death, duration of illness, medical attendant by whom certified and when he last saw deceased; name and surname of parents (if known) including mother's maiden surname; signature, description and address of the person who gave the information; signature of deputy registrar, date and where registered, when and where buried, undertaker whom certified; name and religion of Minister, or names of witnesses of burial; place of birth of the deceased and how long he or she resided in the Australian colonies or states (stating which), name of spouse, place of marriage, age at marriage; names and ages of children of the deceased.
From Port Albert....I think this may refer to the Port Albert which is a small coastal port on the southern Victorian coast. I think the record on the NSW database is for coastal travel not emigration from England. Just my thoughts...but could well be incorrect...and I often am ::) Many records on that database include shipping records from Melbourne....which is the capital of Victoria but was part of the colony of NSW in the period covered in the database.
Cheers
Cando
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some possibilities if you allow for mistranscriptions:
Baker E. aged 21, 1853 on the James L Bogert (age is close. It might be worth seeing if someone can go into the PRO and check the oroginal handwritten ipassenger list on microfilmm to see if it is Baker or Laker.
Josiah Laker aged 23 in 1855 arrived on the Red Jacket but I guess you already have this.
There was also an Alfred Laker in 1852 aged26 on the Lady Eveline.
Unforaunately the PRO do not offer research assistance.
regards
Robyn
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Good possibility if it is a mistranscription...and here's hoping for once, that it is. :)
CHARLWOOD records on Unassisted Index
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search_results.asp
List of search agents listed by PROV
http://www.access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/PROVguides/PROVguide015/PROVguide015.jsp
Cheers
Cando
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Hi All,
Have just noticed this post - don't ask me where I have been.
June I could do a lookup on Marion Button's - Argus Index for you - probably Monday at the earliest.
Cheers..
Sarra
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June,
I checked Marion Button's - Argus Index for your Ebenezer Laker's arrival in Australia - unfortunately I could not find him listed.
I did find a group of Lakers' arriving on the Candahar from Plymouth to Adelaide. Departed December 2 1851, arrived August 8 1851.
They were - B K J Laker - H Laker - J Laker - Maria Laker - Mary Ann Laker.
Also - Master C Laker - Marchioness Salisbury - from Geelong to Callao - departed April 4 1855 - no date of arrival.
Master Charles Laker - Marchioness Salisbury - from Plymouth to Geelong - no departure date - arrived February 21 1855.
I checked the BAKER E aged 21, arrived 1853 on the James Boget - it is definitely BAKER - he was Irish.
Sarra :(
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Some Victorian wills now digitised and online (1841-1925)
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/Index_search.asp?searchid=54
Some of each surname of LAKER, MUSKETT and CHARLWOOD
Cheers, Judith
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Robyn: Yes, Josiah LAKER is mine and I have details of his life in the goldfields. After the death of his two wives and three of his children he returned to England. The child that remained died in 1951 in Melbourne - did not marry and had no issue.
The Alfred LAKER that you found is not (as far as I can tell) mine. Thank you for mentioning him.
Cando: I think I have found all of my CHARLWOODs on the Unassisted Index, but will have another go to see if I have missed anyone.
Sarra: thanks very much for checking the Marion Button's Argus Index. I cannot identify any of the LAKERs you mention. wish I could. Too bad Mr. BAKER turned out not to be a LAKER.
Judb: Thank you for reminding me about the wills. I had found a couple before Xmas so will go back and look for more.
Have to let the reindeer out of the pen now and chop some wood, so thank you all very, very much.
June
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You may have seen this death notice already, but just in case you haven't.
regards Fiona
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/7293431
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Fiona: What a pal you are. Thank you so much for the death notice. I had not seen it before and had no idea what he died of. I must look for obits now. June