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After having waited patiently for four years,for someone to tell me they have Greatorex from Stafford on their tree. I have given up waiting.Most people i contact have The name, various spelling, but in Derby or someplace else.I was contacted a week ago by yet another person researching the name.Again in another county.I only went up as far as 1780 the year i was given for Anthony Greatorex born about 1780.I never found him (in Stafford),So i have now done a search on the I.G.I where all my Greatorex are mentioned, to find out if Anthony (who lived In Stafford) was born there.I decided to search 1790 five years each side. I came up with a Christening date of 1793 in Bonsall Derby. Parents Anthony Greatorex and Martha Wigley.I don't want to get my hops up,but those name are receptive in my family. I had thought that at some time my Greatorex flew the nest and landed in Stafford 1800 maybe?. I have just had the three I.G.I Pages out.That i had printed out a few years ago. Greatorex /rix/Traks/ and all the others have been there since 1609 :o. :o So anyone reasearching Greatorex In Derbyshire ;D
Celia
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The 1851 census gives Anthony Greatorex born Bonsall circa 1794 living in Bonsall. However it also gives this Anthony Greatorex living in Staffordshire - the only one in Staffordshire, but not unfortunately in Stafford.
HO107 2024 folio 196
Woodlands Wood Lane Handsworth Staffordshire
Anthony Greatorex 60 Bentley, Derbyshire, Head Widower Farmer of 60 acres employing 1 labourer
William Greatorex 34 Handsworth, Staffordshire, Son Farmer's son
Catherine Greatorex 28 Handsworth, Staffordshire, Daughter Farmer's daughter
George Greatorex 22 Handsworth, Staffordshire, Son Farmer's son
The only Greatorex I can find in Stafford was
William Greatrex 70 Brook End, Staffordshire, Lodger unmarried - a labourer
There are other examples of C18th born Staffordshire Greatorexes on the 1851 census living in the county of Staffordshire.
Regards
Valda
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Hello Valda
Thank you this is my family. I have William my G.G.Grandfather on the 61,71,& 81 census. One in Kings Norton and two in Cannock. So I got lucky and found the right one first time. Anthony was my G.G.G.Grandfather, but its the first time i have him written down. William was running the farm by 1861. and his son Wilfred my G.Granddad was born on the farm which was called Long Bridge. So it looks like Anthony was the one that moved. Anthony's dads name is Anthony as well ::) hope i run out of them soon ;D Anthony must have died between 51 and 61. So thank you valder thats another twig on my tree after all this time.
Celia
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I would think Bentley Derbyshire is Fenny Bentley. Coverage on the IGI I believe is only from 1811-1856 but an earlier period is covered on the BVRI.
GREATOREX, Anthony Christening
Birth Date:15 Apr 1787 Christening Date: 29 Apr 1787
Father: William GREATOREX
Mother: Hannah
Other children of William and Hannah were
GREATOREX, Martha
Christening Date:18 Feb 1779
GREATOREX, Elisabeth
Christening Date:5 Jun 1781
GREATOREX, Margaret
Birth Date:11 Jul 1784
Christening Date:11 Jul 1784
GREATOREX, Mary
Birth Date:20 Jan 1789
Christening Date:1 Feb 1789
GREATOREX, John
Birth Date:5 Jun 1791
Christening Date:12 Jun 1791
GREATOREX, Hannah
Birth Date:13 May 1793
Christening Date:28 Oct 1793
GREATOREX, Judith
Birth Date:9 Dec 1795
Christening Date:22 Feb 1796
GREATOREX, William
Birth Date:5 Jun 1798
Christening Date:22 Oct 1798
GRETOREX, Ann
Christening Date:8 Dec 1800
There are 56 Greatorex baptisms for Fenny Bentley on the BVRI between 1755-1812. Marriages are covered 1608-1890. The first Greatorex marriage in the parish is in 1663. No marriage though for William and Hannah.
The 1851 census has 17 Greatorex with a birthplace of Bentley, Anthony being the oldest. As he was a farmer of some standing I would check whether he left a will (Lichfield Record Office?) and with Derbyshire Record Office re Greatorex wills from Fenny Bentley. It looks like it would be very profitable to go through the parish registers of Fenny Bentley for Greatorex entries. There is no coverage for burials on the NBI for the parish. However there is a website with some memorial inscriptions which also has a photograph of the church.
http://www.wishful-thinking.org.uk/genuki/DBY/FennyBentley/MIs.html
Regards
Valda
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Wow Valda Thank you for this surprise information, I now have Anthony's Parents fantastic ,and his names William, thank goodness. ; I am hoping i am on top of this now. Anthony born 1887. Married Deborah Philips 12th March 1812. Thats when the Greatorex entered my tree. Lots more sorting to do.
I don't understand the first names on the first page i was sent by the man in Canada. some years ago,himself a Greatorex. it says
Decendants of Darby-33723
1.Darby-33723
Sp. UNKNOWN
2. Daniel Darby 1584
Sp: Martha Postan-33828 (m.2nd june 1729)
3. Martha Darby-12600 (B.21ST Aug 1756-OLD MTG house Dudley
Sp; Samuel Philips 4284 (m. 7th Feb 1780)
then thats when Anthony and Deborah philips come in.
Do you understand it.?
Celia P.S thanks for the M.I site looks interesting
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I can only do the same as you can do - relate them to dates taken from the IGI which is presumably where they came from in the first place.
e.g.
MARTHA DARBY
Christening: 21 AUG 1756 Old Mtg House-Nc, Dudley, Worcestershire
DANIEL DARBY
SARAH
SAMUEL PHILLIPS
MARTHA DARBY
Marriage: 07 FEB 1780 Halesowen, Worcestershire
I don't doubt the events are in the named registers but whether the Martha Darby who was baptised in Dudley in 1756 was the same Martha Darby who married in Halesowen couldn't be proved from just this list. All that can be said is these parish registers unlike others are on the IGI and so these 'events' are on the IGI. I think Handsworth Staffordshire in comparison has limited coverage only 1805-1865.
The connection presumably is this baptism
DEBORAH PHILIPS
Birth: 09 SEP 1785
Christening: 17 SEP 1785 Presbyterian Church, Oldbury By Halesowen, Shropshire?
SAMUEL PHILIPS
Mother: MARTHA
Whether this Deborah baptised in Halesowen, a non-conformist, is the same Deborah who married in Handsworth (bearing in mind she could be local to Handsworth - no coverage on the IGI and Phillips is a common surname). I would first want to know Deborah Greatorex's age at burial/death, as this Deborah Phillips from Halesowen would have been 27 if she married in 1812, making her around 43 at the time of Judith Ann's birth.
Phillips is a very common surname and I am not saying this will has any connection to your Phillips family. Far fewer people wrote wills and when they did the wills would be more likely to have been proven locally and therefore for Handsworth would be in Lichfield Record Office. This is a PCC will
Description Will of Margaret Phillips, Widow of Handsworth , Staffordshire
Date 20 May 1830
Catalogue reference PROB 11/1771
It just to proves you will find people with the surname Phillips almost anywhere.
Regards
Valda
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Thank you again Valder
I think i will stay on track with the male Greatorex. I don't usually do the female side anyway.Unless i have all female children. Or i run out of males ;D I had needed to go up further to find out when the Greatorex entered Staffordshire. With your help i might be able to,in time connect with other researchers.
Best wishes
Celia
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Hi Celia,
This site may be of assistance:-
www.wirksworth.org.uk
Do take a look at the Ince's Pedigree listed, there is also census info 1841 for Bonsall,
and much much more.
My lot married into the Greatorex Family, but mainly Shottle/Idridgehay area of Derbyshire.
They have driven me mad!
Spendlove.
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Hi spendlove
re you post on the 15 January. since i started this topic i have had a lot more information on my greatorex.I was determined to re-start the reseach on this family even though i already had pages of information. I never found anyone with Greatorex in or around Stafordshire.So i have been working like a beaver the last 3 months and have found that with the connection to Derbyshire through my G.G.G.Grandfather Anthony Greatorex who was christened there.He may have been the first Greatorex to arrive in Staffordshire. I have also only a few days ago found a connection to derby on the ancestry B.M.D. My G.grandmother Died in derby in 1837?, I also found a Martha Greatorex marriage in derby in 1843. So now i can Hopfully join the Derbyshire Que and make a connection. Still have a lot to do though :)
Celia
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Martha Greatorex who married Philip Stannard in Derby in 1843 is with her family on the 1851 census HO107/2142 folio 511. She was aged 30 and born in Sawley Derbyshire.
I can't see any Greatorex deaths in Derby registration district in 1837?
The National Burial index give these Greatorex burials for Handsworth.
8th Dec 1824 John GREATREX 18d Staffs Handsworth, St Mary
27th Jun 1829 Judah GREATOREX 7m Staffs Handsworth, St Mary
6th Apr 1836 John GREATOREX 77 Staffs Handsworth, St Mary
10th Aug 1837 William GREATOREX 85 Staffs Handsworth, St Mary
Regards
Valda
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Sorry valda that should have bee 1937, i am not used to finding deaths in the nineteen hundreds. I must have put 18 automatically. Greatorex. Fanny C.(for Celia) age 82 Derby Oct 1/4. I have been looking at my record and i have worked out that This Martha spouse now known thanks to you. was the Grandmother of Wilfred, Fanny's husband, and my G.Grandfather..She is also the daughter of the Anthony Greatorex born in in 1780. And sister of Samuel Greatorex.So now the tree is at last coming together :D I have now gone over the edge of the top of the tree.
Celia
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Sorry I'm not sure I understand. You mean
MARTHA GREATOREX -
Christening: 05 MAR 1820 Saint Marys, Handsworth, Stafford
Father: ANTHONY GREATOREX
Mother: DEBORAH
The Martha Greatorex who married Philip Stannard in Derby in 1843 was born circa 1821 in Sawley Derbyshire according to the all the censuses between 1851 and 1891. Not in Handsworth Staffordshire.
Martha baptised Handsworth was presumably Wilfred's aunt and Fanny Celia was his wife?
Regards
Valda
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Hi Valda
i think the Martha that Married a Stanard that i took from the on-line B.M,D. Isnt mine.I only have one Martha Greatorex. There is another one above that. From the top it goes. (Have just looked and found i have 3 martha's)
Darby spouse unknown
- 2. Danial Derby 1584
sp: Martha Postan (m 2nd june 1729)
{ 3 Martha derby (B. 21 Aug 1756 Old MTG house Dudely
Spouse. Samuel Philips married 7 feb 1780
[ 4 deborha philips (b,1785Halesowen Worcester Died 1847 W.Brom.
spouse Anthony Greatorex born 1780
[5 Samuel greatorex (C 27 Sep 1812 st mary Handsworth
spouse. Millicent
[6 Catherine Ann Greatorex b.1841 W.Brom
spouse unknown
5 Martha gratorex (c March 1820 st Mary
spouse unknown
5 Wlliam greatorex (b 1817/18 D cannock
spouse margaret groves. Then we come to wilfred g.grandfather.
Celia
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If you have any potential connection with the following then, by all means, make contact. Ann Greatorex - signature looks more like Greatorix, b1791 d1872, Hanbury Staffs, daughter of John and Sarah.
Ann married Thomas Archer 24APR1810 at St Werburghs Hanbury Staffs
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Hi Mutley
Sadly Celia passed away in 2010.
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Thanks. I did spot that but hope the likes of Valda, or any other, may see my message also.
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Hi, it is martha JOHNSON that married philip stannard (my great great grandfather) according to my research. She was born in 1821 and died in 1899.