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My gt.gt.gt.gt. grandfather was a Timothy Welch who lived in Hitchin in Bucklersbury and is down on his daughter Jane's marriage certificate in 1844 as being a miller.
I know that one of his sons also named Timothy is listed in the 1881 as a miller at St Paul's Walden.Was there a mill in the centre of Hitchin???
I am almost sure that Jane Welch had an illegitimate son - Josiah in 1836 and have her marriage certificate to Thomas Bailey where she is listed as a spinster.
I would love to know which of the Welchs Josiah was living with in 1841 and whether he was living with his step-father in 1851.Sadly his mother died in 1851 - I think before the census.
If you think you can help me unravel the mystery I would be very grateful
Best wishes
From a genealogy fanatic!
Jill
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In 1884 There wa a mill on the outskirts of Hitchin called Grove Mill. It was near a large house called Grove House. If this is any help to you.
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Hi Jill,
Found an interesting entry on the 1851 ...
HO107/1710 F.7? P.2. Bucklersbury, Hitchin.
Thomas Bailey Head M 37 Boot & Shoe Maker Northants Wilbey
Jane Bailey Wife M 33 Hitchin
Josiah Bailey Son 15 Boot & Shoe Maker Hitchin
Ann Bailey dau 2 Scholar Hitchin
Eliza Bailey Day 10 mths Hitchin
Samuel Welsh Bro in Law U 25 Miller Hitchin
This would appear to change your present thinking.
The Hertfordshire Burial Record includes a burial for Ann Bailey in January 1851 but the age is given as 5.
Regards ... Peter
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Hi Jill,
... and in 1861 ...
RG9/819. F.36. P.61. Bucklersbury, Hitchin.
Thomas Bailey Head M 46 Shoe Maker Willoughbuy, Northants.
Jane Bailey Wife M 44 Hitchin
Ann Bailey Dau U 12 Hitchin
Eliza Bailey Dau 10 Hitchin
Martha Bailey Dau 9 Hitchin
Thos.S.Bailey Son 6 Hitchin
Geo H Bailey Son 4 Hitchin
James Fry Lodger M 27 Wilton,Wilts
Eliza Fry Lodger M 35 Wilton Wilts.
Regards ... Peter
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Many thanks for your response Peter, it was good to see that Jane did not die quite so young!
I still think that Josiah was given the Bailey name for respectability in the 1851 census as I have a copy of their marriage cert. in 1844 when Josiah was 7.
Interestingly on Josiah's wedding certificate in 1857 it has Thomas Bailey as a witness and Timothy Welch as the father.
I have Timothy Welch twice in my tree as his grandfather and his uncle!!
Is there any chance of Timothy Welch senior appearing in the 1851 census or his wife Martha ? Martha was born in gt. Wymondley and would have been 58
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Hi Jill,
I have now trawled the 1841 & 1851 returns for the Hitchin area and have found Timothy & Martha
1841 HO107/445/1 F.15. P.23. Bancroft-Silver Street,Hitchin
Timothy Welsh 50 Miller
Martha Welsh 50
Sarah 20 - Ann 17 - Samuel 15 - Maria 13 - Josiah 5.
All born in county except Martha.
1851 HO107/1710 F.93. P.32. Old Park Road, Hitchin
Timothy Welsh Head M 65 Miller Hitchin
Martha Welsh Wife M 66 Hants, Bishop Walton.
Maria Welsh Dau U 23 Hitchin
Ellen Welsh Visitor 4 Scholar Hitchin.
Timothy is recorded with a disability - blind.
The Hertfordshire Burial Record includes the following ...
02 April 1841 Timothy Welch Age 80 Lilley (A small village midway between Hitchin and Luton)
The 1841 census for Lilley includes ...
Hannah Welch 70 Supported by the Parish.
(Living with the Bennet family)
Regards ... Peter
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Many thanks for all your help.
It has been much appreciated and most importantly it's made the people in my past real.
I feel almost sure that the Timothy Welch you found in Lilley is probabely Timothy Welch the miller's father,but guess I wil never know as there is no christening record.
Still all the mysteries are what make this family history so compelling and addictive!!
once again many thanks.
Best wishes and a Happy New Year
Jill
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Hello Jill,
Whilst casually surfing the net I was very interested to come across this correspondence about Timothy Welch, who was born around 1790. He was in fact my Great Great Grandfather, so we are obviously distantly related!
I am wondering whether you have possibly been able to unearth any further information about his antecedents since the last posting in 2006?
Regards
Ian
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Dear Ian,
I have been unsuccessful at finding Timothy's parentage, But have got further back with his wife Marth Cook from Bishop's Waltham Hamps.
If you want any further information please let me know.
I have Timothy and Martha as having 9 children and would be interested to know which one you are descended from
Best Wishes
Jill
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Hello Gill,
Many thanks for your email. I would certainly be fascinated to know some details about Martha Cook and her family, please.
I am in fact descended from the same Josiah Welch, b.1836, whom you have discussed. You have obviously worked very hard and cleverly to uncover his true status as the illegitimate son of Jane, and I am most interested to know of it. I guess this means I should now be adding a further "Great" to Timothy Welch?
My Grandfather was Charles Amos Welch, b. 1862. He died before I was born, but as a child I do remember visiting his brother, Great Uncle George. I think my father also had cousins living in Manchester and Bedford, and we went to Manchester once to meet them.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Regards Ian
(P.S. I don't suppose your parents are D. & V. G........? In which case we are more closely related than I realised!)
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Hello Ian,
I know who you are now!!
I'm not sure how much information I am able to leave on this site.
Will try and get your address from your cousin Sheila when I go down in a couple of weeks time.
I also have a lot of stuff on the Bullards and Smiths from Lincs yet more branches of the family!!
Hope to pass on to you all I have soon
Best wishes to all the family
Jill
also on Genes Reunited
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Hello again Jill
What a wonderful surprise to have your phone call this evening! We are much looking forward to seeing you soon, hopefully.
May I suggest we exchange email addresses soon, to simplify contacts.
Best wishes and love to your parents,
Ian & Maureen
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you can try 31 bucklersbury that was a baker/mill owned by the waldocks i lived there for 5 years.his name was henry waldock.an ashwell based family.