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Hello
I'm interested in William and Sarah Kirkpatrick who lived on the Isle of Wight,. They died in 1875 and 1874 so should also be in burial records.
Can someone tell me if they were married and any relatives if possible and were they there in any previous Census records
Many thanks Jack
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Hello again Jack
Not in Hampshire in 1871 - do you know anything else about them (where born or when would help)?
Thanks
Arranroots ;)
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Oh you've gone.
Just so I don't forget there is a possibility in Walsall - a manufacturer with children Howard, Vincent, Mercy & Sarah. Ref RG10/2965/118/8.
Can post the whole thing if this looks likely?
Arranroots ;)
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Hello Arranroots
I am afraid this was a bit of a long shot. These people appear to have been constantly on the move. I can't be sure they are the correct Kirkpatricks I am after. Their children's names are not what I was hoping for.
Probably best not to follow this one any further.
Your help is much appreciated
Thanks Jack
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Nil desperandum, Jack!
This is just the first one - there are others!
Why not post the names of the children - it helps considerably and can be a handicap NOT to know them - or are you checking up on me LOL?? :D
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I found the entries in the BMD index from the IOW FHS.
http://www.isle-of-wight-fhs.co.uk/bmd/start.htm
William died in 1875 aged 73, Sarah died in 1874 aged 71, both in Ryde RD. There was also a Frances Ann Kirkpatrick aged 75 who died in 1876, also in Ryde RD. Interestingly Sarah's entry includes the name Sweet - possibly a previous married name?
A Susan Kirkpatrick married Henry Daly at St Mary Carisbrooke in 1852. They had a son Edward Dermot Daly in 1853 and another Hugh in 1860. No other Kirkpatrick marriages on the IOW 1837-1874.
William Kirkpatrick is listed on 1851 Census in Brighton:
HO107/1646/582 p 46
schedule 143 29 Montpellier Crescent Brighton
William Kirkpatrick Head Mar 48 Manager London & County Joint Stock Bank Brighton, b Carisbrooke, IOW
Frances Anne Kirkpatrick Wife Mar 49 b London Middlesex
Elizabeth Frances Kirkpatrick daur U 19 b Newport IOW
Alice Kirkpatrick daur U 13 Scholar b Ryde IOW
William Coates Serv U 27 House servant b Ringmer Sussex
Caroline Earle Serv W 58 House servant b Firle, Sussex
Elizabeth Earle Serv U 35 House servant b East Dene Sussex
In 1861 William, Frances and Alice are visitors to a house in Reading, St Giles
RG9/748/16 p 25
3 Albion Place, Reading
Henry Rutherford Smith Head Mar 40 Proprietor of Houses b Stoke Newington Middlesex
Henrietta Anne Smith Wife Mar 34 b Carisbrooke IOW
Wm Kirkpatrick Visitor Mar 58 Fund Holder b Carisbrooke Hants
Frances Anne Kirkpatrick Mar 59 b London Middlesex
Alice Kirkpatrick visitor U 23 daughter b Newchurch Hants
plus three servants
in 1871 William and Frances appear to be in Honiton Devon:
RG10/2039/87 p 9
High Street
William Kirkpatrick Head Mar 68 Banker b Northwood Hants
Frances A Kirkpatrick Wife Mar 69 b London Middlesex
Alice Kirkpatrick daur U 33 b Ryde Hants
John H K Smith grandson U 22 Acct b Hastings Sussex
plus a servant
The Sarah S Kirkpatrick is the grandmother of Hugh Daly and widowed on 1871 census (RG10/1165/42 p 36), with both Hugh and a granddaughter with her (the granddaughter born in India). Sarah is of independent means and was born in London.
Does that help?
Nell :)
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In for a penny in for a pound - I really hope these are the ones you are looking for!
William Kirkpatrick bachelor of Newport m Frances Ann Maitland spinster of Brighton, by licence, in Brighton 28 Sept 1825.
William was born 7 May 1802 and baptised in St James Independent church Newport 19 Sep 1802.
Alice was baptised in Newchuch 18 May 1837
Elizabeth Frances born 4 Aug 1833 bapt 24 Sep 1833 (St James Independent, Newport)
William Maitland Kirkpatrick born 25 Apr 1829 bapt 1 Jun 1829 (St James Newport)
Robert Fead Kirkpatrick born 13 Nov 1830 bapt 30 Dec 1803 (St James Ind Newport)
Henrietta Anne born 22 Aug 1826 bapt 31 Oct 1826 (St James Ind Newport)
Nell
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Hello
I thought they may be the parents of Rose Ann Kirkpatrick who according to LDS records was christened in an independant church at Aston Tirrold Berkshire on 17.1.1832 In this record her parents names are William and Sarah
In the Berkshire lookups (See Chamberlain) Paul Gaskell of the Oxfordshire FHS thinks I am off track with my search as nothing shows in his records. I feel the family may have actually been based in London in the Shoreditch area and only temporarily in Berkshire.
The facts that I have:
She married Henry Hardy and moved to Southampton where she lived with her family for the rest of her life. The birth certificate of her first child Kate shows her (Rose)surname as Hardy late Chamberlain formerley Kirkpatrick. LDS records show the marriage of Rose Ann Kirkpatrick to William Chamberlain took place on 16.8.1856 in Shoreditch London. She had her first child and married Henry Hardy in London.
My supposition:
I felt that in their later years William and Sarah may have followed their daughter's family to Hampshire (Isle of Wight )and as Kirkpatrick is not a common name and their ages were about right hoped a connection would show up with this old couple. The information from Little Nell makes me think I am wrong. Sarah Sweet Kirkpatrick is a
possibility but I may be barking up the wrong tree (family tree!!),
Kind regards Jack
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Hi Jack,
I think you can discount Sarah Sweet Kirkpatrick. She was already a widow by 1851, she was born in Aldersgate London and her mother was Elizabeth Hughes. Her husband was Edward Kirkpatrick, they married in 1824 and they had a daughter Susan Elizabeth Ellen Kirkpatrick in 1826. They were also non-conformists! And had pots of money by the looks of it.
The William & Sarah you are looking for had another child - James - baptised in Aston Tirrold in 1828, so maybe not so fleetingly in Berkshire after all.
What did Rose's father do for a living? I think you need to find Rose in 1851 (if you haven't already done so) to see if she is still with her parents and if so, where. Only then can you start being certain about William and Sarah's origins.
Nell
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Hi Little Nell
Thank you for all the help, and thanks for that info on James.
Unfortunately I dont know what Roses father did for a living but I will look a little harder to find out more, also whereabouts of Rose in 1851,
Kind regards Jack
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Hello again Jack
I started looking for William & Sarah again (found some in Hackney in 1851) but it occurs to me that if you get hold of the wedding certs it would give you a much clearer idea of what you are looking for!
The William I have just found, for example, is a wine merchant's clerk. If you knew his occupation it would help eliminate him - or confirm him.
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Since the Aston Tirrold baptisms were non-conformist the actual register itself may give further details. You sometimes find in non-conformist registers the mother's maiden name is given and also sometimes her parents names as well.
The majority of non-conformist registers were handed over at the start of civil registration in 1837 and the original registers are with The National Archives at Kew. They have been microfilmed and it is likely that Berkshire Record Office will have a copy, or you could order the film through your local LDS family history centre.
Regards
Valda
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Hello Arranroots and Valda
I will get hold of the wedding certificate and see what I can find out
Thanks again Jack
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Jack,
Don't know about your 9aging) specific query but in the mid 1800s there was a number of Kirkpatrick brothers on the IOW and a couple of unmarried sisters lived together in the Henley on Thames or Reading area. LDS records may shed some light on them.
One (a James) went bankrupt - a (free) search for Kirkpatrick on Google will throw up some those details - I saw a reference earlier today to Newport, Carisbrooke etc.
Another was a George. I think there may have been a William and a knighthood somewhere there. I think they were lawyers.
My own notes show that on 20.08.1858 a James Kirkpatrick died at Newport IOW He was brother of a Samuel who was a grocer of 91 Queen St, Cheapside London. I don't know of a link to the Berkshire / Aston Tirrold & Uffington line but there may be one- certainly descendants of that family migrated to Caversham, Henley and London areas.
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kpc
Thanks for your reply and the interesting facts. I will certainly look further into it.
Regards
jackhammer
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Nell: I'd love to have the references for the marriage of Sarah Sweet Hughes and Edward Kirkpatrick. They are in my husband's Hughes line. Thank you. Leah Rudolph (new member)
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Hi Leah,
Welcome to RootsChat. :)
This is quite an old query - I'm having to think very hard!
They married in Carisbrooke parish church on the Isle of Wight on 7 September 1824. The LDS church have filmed these records and you can order and consult the film at an LDS Family History centre for a small fee.
Nell
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I'm also interested in a Thomas Sanden Godman Kirkpatrick, from the Isle of Wight. Specially interested in any marriages, children and his place of death, as well as any information regarding his travels to Central America.
regards,
Claudia Castro
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Hi
Deaths Jun 1899
Kirkpatrick Thomas Sanden 69 St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 311
1891 census RG12 75 folio 91
38 Charlwood Street St George Hanover Square
Thomas S G Kirkpatrick 61 Head Married Living on own means Newport Isle of Wight
Ruth Kirkpatrick 44 Wife Married Kingsclere Hampshire (actually says Hampstead)
plus 1 servant
Marriages Sep 1876
KIRKPATRICK Thomas Sauden G Pancras 1b 115
Lawrence Ruth Pancras 1b 115
Regards
Valda
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Thanks Valda!!! Do you have any information of him living in Honduras??? He was my great great great grandfather. He had two childre out of wedlock with a french woman. Her name was Victoire Berlioz. Their children were Eduardo Berlioz Kirkpatrick (my great great grandfather) and Elisa Berlioz Kirkpatrick. We don't know if the children were born in England, France or Honduras, since we don't have the actual dates of thier arrival here, nor the birth certificates of the children.
It'll be great if you can gelp me with that.
Another question: where can I get a copy of the original documents with the info you gave me?
Reards,
Claudia
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Thanks Valda!!! Do you have any information of him living in Honduras??? He was my great great great grandfather. He had two childre out of wedlock with a french woman. Her name was Victoire Berlioz. Their children were Eduardo Berlioz Kirkpatrick (my great great grandfather) and Elisa Berlioz Kirkpatrick. We don't know if the children were born in England, France or Honduras, since we don't have the actual dates of thier arrival here, nor the birth certificates of the children.
It'll be great if you can gelp me with that.
Another question: where can I get a copy of the original documents with the info you gave me?
Regards,
Claudia
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Hi
1881 census RG11 107 folio 99
38 Eccleston Square St George Hanover Square Westminster
Miriam J. Kirkpatrick 83 Head Widow Chichester Sussex
Edwd. G. Kirkpatrick 54 Son Unmarried Barrister at law not practising Newport Isle of Wight
Thos. S. G. Kirkpatrick 52 Son Married Barrister at law not practising Whiffingham Isle of Wight
plus 4 servants
Ruth Kirkpatrick on this occasion seems to be the one who was travelling.
Deaths Sep 1886
Kirkpatrick Miriam Jane 88 I. Wight 2b 403
1851 census HO107 1727 folio 521
Corpus Christi College, Morton Street Oxford Oxfordshire
Thomas S G Kirkpatrick 21 Whippingham Isle of Wright, Hampshire
1851 census HO107 1599/1 folio 10
Betchworth Surrey
Richard G Kirkpatrick 58 Head Married Landed Proprietor Fundholder Newport Isle of Wight
Marian Kirkpatrick 52 Wife Married Chichester Sussex
Edward G Kirkpatrick 23 Son Law Student Carisbrooke Isle of Wight
Frederick D Kirkpatrick 17 Son Law Student Hascombe Surrey
Deaths Sep 1863
KIRKPATRICK Richard Godman Hastings 2b 17
It is likely that Thomas and indeed his father if not his mother left wills
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Probate.html
Regards
Valda
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Hi Claudia
The census images can viewed on various websites. You either buy credits to view the pages or subscribe - Findmypast, Ancestry etc.
You can obtain the certificates from the General Registry Office
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
I can't see an Eduardo/Edward Berlioz Kirkpatrick in the civil registration for births, marriages or deaths (England and Wales) or an Elisa or anyone with the surname Berlioz.
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
Thomas Sanden Godman Kirkpatrick
baptised 25 Nov 1829 Isle of Wight
Father: Richard Godman Kirkpatrick
Mother: Mariam Jane
Maternal Grandfather: Joseph Godman
No sign of Thomas in England or Scotland on the 1861 and 1871 censuses.
Regards
Valda
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Hi
However Google books brings his name up on the Zoological Society of London report 11 Hanover Square February 20th 1865. He seems to have a lot to do with mining and minerals.
'The Kirkpatrick family first appear in the Isle of Wight in the Newport area in the 18th century. They were to become bankers and prominent members of the local Congregational Chapel. Estates were held at various times at Fairlee, St. Cross and Mount Pleasant in the parishes of Carisbrooke and Whippingham and also in the Undercliff at Niton, centred on Windcliffe. There were smaller landholdings elsewhere. By the early 20th century the landholdings at Mount Pleasant once the heart of the estate were being divided up and sold for development, and the core of the landholdings passed to Niton. The heir to the estate was Reginald Prendergast in the 1920s, and the house remained in the hands of the family until c1960.'
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?cat=189-kpk&cid=-1&Gsm=2008-06-18#-1
http://www.genealogy.kirkpatrickaustralian.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I50434&tree=TKG
Regards
Valda
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Thanks again!!! The family tradition says that he, sometime during the 1860's-1870's was a British Representative somewhere in the Antilles, perhaps Jamaica or Bahamas. Where can I search that type of info? Is it possible to know if he lived in France or the US during the 1850's and 1860's?
This brother, Frederick is new to me. I had information of a Edward Godman Kirkpatrick and a Richard Temple Godman Kirkpatrick. Do you have more information about him?
I also have information regarding an Edward Kirkpatrick acting as HM Consul in Honduras between 1862 and 1863. Is it possible to confirm if this Edward Kirkpatrick is the brother Edward Godman?
Best Regards,
Claudia
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Hi
I'd already checked the U.S. censuses and immigration records. There was no evidence of Thomas.
That is the only time I have Frederick in the censuses.
It may be possible to track Edward as a consul in Foreign Office or Colonial Office Records held at The National Archives.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/researchguidesindex.asp
Regards
Valda
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Valda, another questions since I'm nor British: What does the suffix "Esq." stands for? Is it only used or given in the UK or is usual for an American citizen to use it as well?
And another person... the British consul I was telling you about in Honduras was called Edward T. Kirkpatrick. is it possible to find any information about him?
Thanks again...
Claudia
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Hi
Ditto my previous message about tracking Edward
It may be possible to track Edward as a consul in Forign Office or Colonial Office Records held at The National Archives.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/researchguidesindex.asp
The National Archives research guides are there for both the foreign and colonial office as British Honduras, now Belize was a colony, probably more colonial office than foreign office.
Esq and its use in both in England and America
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esquire
Regards
Valda
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Thanks!!! I'll look into it. Can you help me with the general info of this Edward T. Kirkpatrick? His birthplace, marriages, etc...
Thanks again!!!
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Hi
The information is to scant, so I can only Google the same as you
http://www.aluka.org/action/showContentImage?doi=10.5555/AL.AP.VISUAL.KLDC8042&pgs=
He appears to hold a doctorate of science
and from Google books
'Edward KIRKPATRICK, docteur en sciences naturelles de l'Université de Bruxelles, consul de SM Britannique dans le Honduras, décédé à Kingston....'
This man doesn't seem to have lived in England
http://www.genealogy.kirkpatrickaustralian.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I7261&tree=TKG
Regards
Valda
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Thanks Valda!!! Definitely, if he lived (and died) in Kingston, most probably the one I'm looking for is he...
I'll start my search again!!!