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I would appreciate any help in finding Nicholas JEFFREY b.1792, Twizel, who maried Martha RAE b.1804, Twizel, and family in the 1841/51 censuses. I obtained the names of children from familysearch.com (the 1st two births are questionable) as follows:
Margaret b.1815 Durham
Isabella b.1815 Twizel
Alexander b.1821 Twizel
Martha b.1822 Durham
James b.1826 Durham
Elizabeth J. b.1828 Durham
Nicholas b.1828 Twizel
William b.1830 Twizel
Robert b.1833 Twizel
I'm interested especially in place(s) of residence and occupations. Thanking you in anticipation. Regards, Irene
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Hello Ozchook
This is a start anyway.... On the 1851:
James JEFFREY, Head, M, 25, Carpenter?, Northumberland Twizel
Rachel, Wife, M, 24, [no oc], Northumberland Norham
Agness, 2, Northumberland Twizel Cartte?
Nilader, 6months, Northumberland Harpenidge?
Sorry it is very hard to read, but place looks like Newharprning? Perhaps someone else could try to read it for us?
Civil Parish Tilmouth, Reg dist Berwick, Sub-reg dist Islandshire, HO107/2421, Folio 783, Pg 9.
Angelfish
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Hello AngelFish, Thank you very much for the information, and your efforts. Regards, Irene
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Hi Irene and Angelfish
I agree - not one of the better pages to read !
I think the placename is New Harper Ridge about 5 miles South West of Norham.
I read the birthplace of Agnes as Twisel Castle and the name of the 6 month old son as Nicholas.
Regards
Helen K
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Hi Irene
1841 Census
HO107/319/12 Folio 8 Page 11 and Folio 9 Page 12
Twizel Castle
JAFFREY
Martha 45 Pauper Y (born in County)
Isabella 24 FS Y
Alexander 20 Joiner Y
Martha 19 Man??? Maker Y
James 15 Joiner Ap Y
Nicholas 13 Ag Lab Y
William 11 Y
Robert 8 Y
and further down Page 12
Twizel Boathouse
JEFFREY Elizabeth 18 FS Y
HO107/319/12 Folio 9 Page 13
Twisel Smithy
JAFFREY
Alexander 50 Joiner Y
Isabella 72 Ind Y
Isabella 39 Y
Catherine 4 Y
Isabella 2 Y
and the above Elizabeth in 1851
HO107/2421 Folio 83 Page 19 Sch 51
West Allerdean, Ancroft
RAY Edward Head Widowr Engineer Northumberland Branton
JAFFREY Elizabeth Servt 29 General Servant Northumberland Twizell
and the above Alexander in 1851
HO107/2421 Folio 771 Page 12 Sch 34
Twizel Smithy
JAFFREY
Alexander Head Mar 32 Carpenter employing 6 men Northumberland Norham
Elizabeth Wife Mar 37 Northumberland Norham
Jane Daur U 5 Northumberland Norham
Nicholas Son U 2 Northumberland Norham
John Son 1 Northumberland Norham
Robert Ap U 18 Carpenter Ap Northumberland Norham
STEEL
James Ap U 20 Carpenter Ap Northumberland Norham
MOWAT
Margaret Sert U 27 General Servant Northumberland Spittle
Regards
Helen K
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Hi Irene
Another from 1851
HO107/2421 Folio 774 Page 19 Sch 58
Twizel Castle
JAFFREY
Martha Head W 58 Northumbd Chillingham
William Son U 20 Carpenter Northumbd Norham
Alice GrandDaur U 5 Northumbd Norham
Regards
Helen K
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Hi Helen K
- Yes I can see 'New Harper Ridge' now! ::)
Hi Irene
- This may be Martha Jnr
As shown on FreeBMD.org.uk,
Marriage Martha Jeffrey and John White, in 1848, Period Dec, District Berwick, Volume 25, Page 18.
and on the 1851 census,
HO107/2421 Folio 783 Page 9 Sch 32
New Harper Ridge
John WHITE, Head, M, 30, Carpenter, Northumberland Twidmowt?
Martha WHITE, Wife, M, 29, [No oc], Northumberland Twisel
George WHITE, Son, 1,Northumberland Harperidge?
There is no house number shown on the census, but they are next door to brother James Jeffrey. ;D
Angelfish
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1851
HO107/2389, Folio 556, Page 5, Sch 20
Esh Laud
Isabella JEFFREY, Housekeeper, U, 35, Housekeeper at the Catholic Chapel,
Northumberland H???nnslaw ? (Sorry I can't read this)
Margaret Corry, Visitor, 13, Durham Hill Top
Anglefish
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:) :D
AngelFish and Helen K,
Thank you both so much; I am overwhelmed at the info you have discovered. I'll respond again when I get my head around it. Regards, Irene
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Hello AngelFish and Helen K, Thank you again for all you have done to help me compile this branch, and I am now beginning to piece together this very confusing jigsaw puzzle. To complete this topic, a little story for anyone interested. Nicholas Jeffrey b.1828 and his brother Robert b.1833 in Twizel both came to Eaglehawk in the goldfields, Victoria, Australia and made their fortunes. Nicholas who was a builder invested well with gold mine shares and built a swish house he called 'Twizel', now called 'Mervalen' and Heritage listed. Brother Robert remained a builder and married Emma Louisa Mansfield, daughter of William, a convict. Her grandparents, Elizabeth Cole and James Tucker were 1st and 2nd Fleet convicts. In the words of my mother in law, 20 years ago, 'she was a lady of leisure - servants and all'. Sincere thanks, Irene
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Hi Irene
A nice success story - and from fairly humble beginnings.
I often wonder how many of these emigrants who make their fortune use their wealth to visit their roots.
Do you know if Nicholas or Robert came back home for a visit ?
Regards
Helen K
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Hi Irene,
I know your head must be buzzing, and you will be busy sorting all the information, but you might like to look at http://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/Cornhill-on-Tweed.htm where Alexander Jeffrey and a later Nicholas Jeffrey are both mentioned in Directories.
Regards
Myra
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Hi Helen and Myra, Helen, we know almost nothing about Nicholas and Robert, apart from whom they married and (most of) their children, and where the Jeffreys are buried. My next move will be to contact Bendigo genie groups. Eaglehawk, where they lived, is now a suburb of Bendigo. It's 100 miles from where I live in Melbourne, so a trip up there would be worthwhile. I don't know if the brothers returned to Northumberland, but I hope they shared their wealth with their family, especially their widowed mother.
Myra, I have just been on to that wonderful website, and had such fun. I saw not only the directory entries but a couple of Jeffrey entries in the school records, and I had a long look at the lovely old photographs. Thank you both again. Regards, Irene
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Hi Irene,
Our family are direct decendants of Nicholas Jeffrey, We have information given to the family by Aunt Martha,Nicholas Jeffrey's
sister to Nellie Bold , William Jeffrey's sister.
Nicholas Jeffrey came to Australia as a young man in the 1850's made his fortune and retired at the age of 36. He went for a trip to Scotland to see his mother and settled her comfortably for the rest of her life two nieces were left in charge and they were to get the house when she died. He then returned to
Eaglehawk Bendigo building shops and owning a good part of the main street, He was director on a number of mines New Moon & South New Moon and died in his 71st year about 1899 of pneumonia.
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Hi westaussies and welcome to rootschat. Thank you for that very interesting piece of information about Nicholas. Would you please confirm that this information is relative to your Nicholas: Nicholas b.1828 married Isabel Raggett Rawle in Eaglehawk on 17 Oct 1865; died 12 June 1898 in Eaglehawk; their son Nicholas was born at Nerring in 1877?
We have another Nerring birth (not for the Jeffreys) and I am wondering if you know the significance of that town; it's near Beaufort between Ballarat and Ararat in Victoria. I am presuming it was a goldmining town. Do you know what Nicholas was doing there?
Thank you in anticipation; regards Irene.
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HI Irene,
The information is exactly as we have it,the only difference is he died 12th July 1898 instead of June. We also have his son Nicholas as being born 15th Dec 1875 in Eaglehawk. His brother william rawle was born on the 6th of Sept 1877 he married Daisy Ethel Webb in Claremont Western Australia which is my father in laws parents. I do not have any information on Nerring.
Yolanda
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Hi Ozchook
I came across the Jeffrey family when looking for Russels in Twizel - may be related to me but haven't sorted that out. However, Lots of Jeffrey's can be found by going into the Genuki site, England, Northumberland, Towns & Parishes, Norham, Cemeteries - Mike Simpson's Norham St Cuthberts Monumental Inscriptions - lots of entries which will certainly keep you busy for awhile.
fairyfeet
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Hi fairyfeet, What a great site. I had already received the inscriptions for my mob, but thank you very much for your interest. Regards, Irene
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I would appreciate any help in finding Nicholas JEFFREY b.1792, Twizel, who maried Martha RAE b.1804, Twizel, and family in the 1841/51 censuses. I obtained the names of children from familysearch.com (the 1st two births are questionable) as follows:
Margaret b.1815 Durham
Isabella b.1815 Twizel
Alexander b.1821 Twizel
Martha b.1822 Durham
James b.1826 Durham
Elizabeth J. b.1828 Durham
Nicholas b.1828 Twizel
William b.1830 Twizel
Robert b.1833 Twizel
I'm interested especially in place(s) of residence and occupations. Thanking you in anticipation. Regards, Irene
Hi Irene, I am wondering what your relationship to Nicholas and Martha Jeffrey is as they are my 3xGreat Grandparents. I have been researching them for some time now.
Regards Sue
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Forgive me for throwing in a couple of georgraphic snippets into this Chat.
I noticed those Jeffrey births/baptisms from "familysearch" showing places Twizel and Durham.
The quirk is that Durham was over 60 miles distant to the south. This area, including Twizel, lay within the ancient parish of Norham, And although it lay within the bounds of the county of Northumberland, it belonged to the Bishops of Durham and was regarded as part of County Durham.
The "enclaves" of Norhamshire, Islandshire and Bedlingtonshire, were collectively referred to as "North Durham".
Folk born in these areas were recorded as Durham-born, not Northumberland-born. For the 1801-1841 census, these areas are enumerated as County Durham, not as part as Northumberland.
Conveniently these enclaves reverted to the county of Northumberland in 1844. And from1851, censuses were enumerated as Northumberland.
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In Old English, "twisla" was name for land that lay within a river fork. Twizel (once Twysill) lies in the junction where the River Till joins the River Tweed. (Haltwhistle in south-west Northumberland is similar example.
Michael Dixon
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Michael - Thank you for those enlightening snippets; I wasn't aware of such facts and have taken notes.
Sue - My husband is related to Robert b.1833
Robert Jeffrey married Emma Louisa Mansfield, daughter and 16th child of William Mansfield, a convict who ended up doing very well for himself at Granton, Tasmania.
Emma did well too, as her husband Robert was monied, and they lived in Eaglehawk, Victoria, Oz.
Their son James Mansfield Jeffrey was my mother in law's father.
Good luck with your research.
Regards
Irene
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Thanks Irene, Robert was the brother of my great great grandfather James Jeffrey b.1826 he married Rachel Briggs ( whose family appear on the same census sheet in 1841. James and Rachels daughter Martha married my great grandfather John Brown. They had three living sons one of whom Nicholas was my mothers father. Incidently his oldest brother James married Margaret Ann Jeffrey who was the grand daughter og Alexander Robert and James oldest brother.
I am going up to Northumberland in a couple of weeks to do some more research. Regards Sue
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Hi Sue, Do you know that there are Jeffrey graves in Norham, including Alex d. 1787, and Nicholas and Martha?
I am very grateful to Myra (Chatter) who traipsed over wet fields, dodging bulls, to get this information for me.
Regards, Irene
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Yes, thanks I am going up to Northumberland to hopefully photo said graves and I have also looked at the graves on the website of Nicholas and Robert which are in Eaglehawk. My sister lives near Melbourne and she is going to take a trip out there to have a look in person. Thanks Sue
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Hi Sue, At my library I looked up Robert and Nicholas in the Eaglehawk and District Pioneer Indexes. There are many entries for them concerning properties they owned, (and they had many, especially Nicholas, who retired at 36 - a millionaire), committees they were on, court appearances, and mentioned a Pioneer Photo at the Eaglehawk Town Hall. I don't know if it is still on show, but worth checking out during a visit.
Regards, Irene
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Sue, Further to my last post, there is a book at the Eaglehawk Town Hall entitled 'Eaglehawk Pioneers Illustrated' by Noelene WILD, with reference to- and photos of- our Jeffrey brothers.
Regards, Irene