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Hi folks,
I’m on the trail of my Yorkshire Appleyard family.
my grandmother:
Adelaide Mary Appleyard, 1886-1974 b. Ecclesall Bierlow, Sheffield; d. Kearnsey Manor Nursing Home, Kent.
Married a Londoner, Ernest Norman Beavis in 1913; bank clerk
Adelaide’s parents:
Joseph Appleyard b.c.1848 Conisbro, YKS; d.1909 Sheffield YKS; cabinet maker, upholstery manf., &c
m. 1873 March, CAM
Sarah Flint Stokes b.1850 March, CAM
Sarah’s parents:
Thomas Stokes b.c.1816 school master and land surveyor
Sarah Flint b.c.1823
Joseph Appleyard’s parents:
Joseph Appleyard b.c.1819 Conisbro YKS .. I think; Cabinet maker
Ann [unsure of surname] b.c.1820
I’d be delighted to hear from anyone also researching this family :)
All the best for 2006 :)
fionnghal
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I have a vague feeling that I have posted some APPLEYARD information before (somewhere!) - forgive me if I am repeating myself :)
Some entries from the Sheffield Local Register (a digest of stories from the local newspapers).:
20 Jul 1890
Decease of Mr. Joseph Appleyard, at Conisbro’, aged 71.
29 Nov 1898
Mr. Joseph Appleyard, managing director of Johnson and Appleyards, Sheffield, committed for trial at London on a charge of criminally libelling H.L.Benjamin, wholesale furniture manufacturer, Finsbury. On December 12th. the grand jury threw out the bill.
5 March 1901
Lieut. Wilfred Appleyard, of Sheffield, reported suffering from blood poisoning at Goldenoeg, near Platrand, South Africa.
13 March 1901
Lieut. Appleyard reported to be recovering.
27 May 1902
Mr. Joseph Appleyard, jun., of Sheffield, drowned while boating on the Thames.
7 Nov 1902
Return of Lieutenant Wilfred Appleyard to Sheffield.
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I'm guessing that Wilfred is the brother of Adelaide, as listed in the 1891 census (do you have the information from that year?).
Do you know if Joseph (bn c1848 Conisbro') had a brother Walter (bn c1852 Conisbro')? I have a local history interest in Walter who was a Liberal councillor in my part of Sheffield, and was Lord Mayor in 1916.
Hugh in Sheffield :) :) :)
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hi, Hugh. nice to meet you :) thanks for all those snippets. much appreciated :)
>I have a vague feeling that I have posted some APPLEYARD information before (somewhere!)
if you have, i havn't come across them before.
you might be right about this Wilfred being Adelaide's brother. unfortunately, i hardly new my grandmother as my parents separated when i was very young and i'm dependent on censuses &c forbye the sparse gleanings of a few family letters and what little i reall from a seldom mentioned subject. so i've no personal family insight to offer :(
i found Wilfred in hte 1881:
1881 census, 13 Westgate, Rotherham, York, YKS; Saints library 1342130 ;PRO ref: RG11; Piece/folio: 4671/4; p.1
Joseph APPLEYARD / head / m. / m / 32 / b. Conisbro, York / occ. Cabinet Manf., Upholsterer, Decorator Master employing 66 men, 20 boys and 10 women
Sarah APPLEYARD / wife / m. / f / 30 / b. March, CAM
Harry APPLEYARD / son /m / 4 / Rotherham York /
* Wilfred APPLEYARD / son / m / 3 / Rotherham York /
Edith Annie APPLEYARD / dau / f / 1 / Rotherham York /
Jane OUTRAM / Serv / u / f / 19 / Rawmarsh York / occ. general servant
i've conflicting death info for dad, Joseph:
Freebmd suggested:
Death - m1908 APPLEYARD, Joseph 60yrs; GRO Ecclesall B, vol 9c-276
but then i found a clipping in The Scotsman Archives for which i have a subscription .. if you'd like any lookups .. and it gives 10th February, 1909 and it's quite unequivocal about who they mean. you're welcome to the clipping if you wish .. once i've worked out how to post an attachment on htis site. there must be a way :) just haven't needed to do it before.
I checked the PRO entry for 1908, but it was just as correct. but without a death certificate to back it up, there was no way of being sure it was mine. maybe htere were 2 Josephs the same age dying within a year of one another! they just seemed so coincidental.
White's Directory of Sheffield, Rotherham .. 1879,
Joseph Appleyard, , (j) cabinet maker, Dobbin Hill, Ecclesall ['j' = jun.]
John Appleyard, cabinet maker & upholsterer, 7 Union Lane; ls? 24 Mathilda st. [his home address?] a brother perhaps!
White's Directory of Sheffield & Rotherham, 1905 lists:
Joseph Appleyard, managing director, Appleyards Ltd, 6 Broomfield, 2 Newbould Lane Rotherham, Sheffield
Harry Appleyard, furniture manuf. [Johnstone & Appleyards Ltd., Oak House, Moorside, Dore ?? This is Joseph and Sarah Flint Stokes's son i'm sure.
there are also other Appleyard cabinet makers but i haven't found homes for them yet
Joseph A [b.c1848 Conisbro'] does have a brother Walter [i'd estimated him at b.c.1851. so you're probably right. there was also a Frank too [b.c.1855] but these are unproven gleanings. so i can't provide any paper confirmation .. not so far anyway. what did Walter do? i found one that was a confectioner in 1905 and hte other, more likely candidate, in 1881 cabinet maker for Johnson & Appleyard; personal address 12 Packer's Rd [Kelly's 1881 directory]. is that him? it'd be great to be able to fill in more details on him. + i found another Applewood death, the nearest to proving Frank so far, d.6 Aug 1928, retired cabinet maker; late of 3 Moncrieff Rd, Sheffield.
i came on 2 Walter Appleyards, but no idea if there is any connection. 1] Walter A d. 24 Jly 1930 late of Endcliffe Cr, Sheffield. no clues as to occ. or relatives.
2] Walter A inheriting from an Alfred Appleyard, a Leeds metal-broker, if that's of any use. I've got clippings of both these events.
Certainly, the Appleyard cabinet makers firm was producing plenty of money and were no doubt in a very influential position, so putting a family member in a good position to run for Council.
Any idea which regiment Wilfred Appleyard was in? I've found 2 men - one in the Royal Dublin Fusiliers 1900 and one in the East Surrey Reg. no mention of SA though. the E SRY Wilfred was in hte services spanning 1909-1923, so doesn't sound like our Wilfred if he returned to Sheffield in 1902 as in your notes... unless it was only temporary.
> 27 May 1902 Mr. Joseph Appleyard, jun., of Sheffield, drowned while boating on the Thames.
i wonder whose Joseph jnr this was. there must have been a few around.
> as listed in the 1891 census (do you have the information from that year?).
i don't and i'd really appreciate a copy if you don't mind. :)
Have you any idea who Joseph A [b.c.1819]'s wife was? - Joseph, Walter & Frank's parents - I have 2 candidates - Ann [Hannah] Tyas or Hannah Rushforth .. and htere could be more possiblities out there i know nothing of yet :-\
if there are any clippings you'd like, i'll be happy to send you them.
thankyou very much for taking hte time to send your notes :)
le dùrachd :)
fionnghal
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hello fionnghal,
Here is the 1891 information for both Joseph and Walter (a confectioner living in Endcliffe Crescent ;D - that ties up a few loose ends you mentioned :) )...
1891 census
ref: piece 3805 e.d. 23 folio 44
37 Botanical Road
(Ecclesall Bierlow)
Joseph APPLEYARD Head Marr 43 cabinet manufacturer upholsterer and decorato YKS Conisbro'
Sarah F APPLEYARD Wife Marr 40 CAM March
Wilfred APPLEYARD Son 18 scholar YKS Rotherham
Edith A APPLEYARD Dau 11 scholar YKS Rotherham
Joseph APPLEYARD Son 9 scholar YKS Rotherham
Percy APPLEYARD Son 6 YKS Sheffield
Adelaide M APPLEYARD Dau 4 YKS Sheffield
Winifred M APPLEYARD Dau 1 YKS Sheffield
Harriet Ann BOOTH servant Unm 20 general servant domestic YKS Conisbro'
1891 census
ref: piece 3805 e.d. 25 folio 73
Endcliffe Crescent
(Ecclesall Bierlow)
Walter APPLEYARD Head Marr 39 confectionery manufacturer YKS Conisbro'
Eliza APPLEYARD Wife Marr 34 YKS Sheffield
>White's Directory of Sheffield, Rotherham .. 1879,
Joseph Appleyard, , (j) cabinet maker, Dobbin Hill, Ecclesall ['j' = jun.]
I am sure the '(j)' in this entry means 'journeyman' (ie he had served an apprenticeship).
>John Appleyard, cabinet maker & upholsterer, 7 Union Lane; ls? 24 Mathilda st. [his home address?] a brother perhaps!
I checked this directory at http://www.historicaldirectories.org/ and yes, it's 'h 24 Matilda street' where h=house
The death entries for Joseph are indeed confusing. there is certainly no entry in the GRO index for MAR 1909. The Sheffield papers can probably shed light on this.
>in 1881 cabinet maker for Johnson & Appleyard; personal address 12 Packer's Rd
That should be Parker's Road. I'm wondering if that Walter had a change of career. I can't prove at the moment that the councillor/Lord Mayor is the confectioner, but it shouldn't be difficult to do so.
I have not been able to find Frank (or Francis) in 1891.
I don't know which regiment Wilfred served with, but the newspapers should reveal that (I will check). I am surprised that he is not in the index I have to Sheffield at the Front a pictorial record of Sheffield men who served in South Africa. I noted one Wilfred Appleyard (d 7 Oct 1916) on the War Graves Commission site, but there isn't sufficient information to link him to these familes. He was a Private, which seems unlikely for the former Lieutenant.
I don't know who Joseph senior's wife was. If there is an obituary (which there may be, since his death is noted in the Local Register) that may help.
When I get the chance I will look up some of these events in the newspapers.
regards,
Hugh
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I have done some look-ups in the papers today. They will take me a little time to digest :)
First, corrections to two of the dates in my first message:-
Joseph senior died on 20 Jun 1890, not July.
Joseph who drowned died on 27 Apr 1902, not May.
I learned nothing more about who Joseph senior's wife was. She is not mentioned in the report of his funeral so I assume she died before him.
Some 'headlines'...
Walter was definitley a brother of the 'middle' Joseph and of Frank.
Joseph who drowned and Wilfred the soldier were definitely siblings of Adelaide.
Wilfred was in the East Sussex Regt.
Joseph the father of Adelaide died in 1909 (in Kobe, Japan)
There is a photo of the family in front of their house at http://www.picturesheffield.com. The picture reference is u01588 (on the search page, put this in the bottom space). Picture u01589 is an interior shot.
Hugh
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you beauty ;D i never thought i'd have a chance of getting a photo of htem. piur dead brilliant. thanks a million :) what a wonderful facility. i spent a happy hour looking at all sorts of pikkis and tracking down many of the streets where they had workshops/outlets.
and thanks for the extra details :)
i've been busy cataloguing all hte directory records i had into chronological order. you're right too, Walter ceases to be involved in hte furniture &c business c.1881 then a Walter shows up in hte directories as proprietor/manager/something or orther of hte The Don Confectionery Co Ltd in 1901. I also notice that there has been a link with food for some time. In 1879, George Appleyard jun., is involved in groceries, cabinet making and udertaking in teh Church Street Cabinet works. in 1881 a George is a farmer, a cabinet maker & upholsterer. back in 1862 Joseph Appleyard is listed as a cabinet maker, while a George is listed as being both farmer & cabinet maker. I wonder what the relationship was between these two. this is proving to be an intriguing puzzle to unfankle. thanks a lot for your input :) it is much appreciated
my mainline Appleyard couples are:
Joseph Appleyard b.c.1785 d.1839; m.1810 Jane Chester
Joseph Appleyard b. c.1819 Conisboro', d.1890; m. Ann [Hannah?]
Joseph Appleyard b.c.1848 d.1909; m.1873 Sarah Flint Stokes
Wilfred must have been a fulltime serviceman, his return from S Africa being just a break. I have him as a Sergeant, Lieutenant, Captain, Major, & Lt Col., not quite sure if i've got them in the correct order ;) i'd have had to check them agaist the dates.
I found Walter's death
Walter Appleyard, late of Endcliffe Cr., Sheffield died 24 Jly 1930. his will was proved in the pricipal Probate Registry 3 Sep 1930 by Ernest Weston, Eric Norman Simons & Leonard Simpson Friend [i've come on his name before in relation to the Appleyards]. i can send you hte clipping if you wish. does that tie in with your Councillor?
right, it's hte middle of ht enight. i'm heading off.
le durachd :)
fionnghal
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Wilfred went to SA in 1899 as a lance-sergeant with the Dublin Fusiliers. He was soon promoted to sergeant. He was attached to the East Surrey Rgt when he received his commission as Lieutenant. He also served for a time in SA with the 26th Mounted Infantry. he returned to Sheffield on 4 months leave and was then going to travel overland to India to join the East Surreys.
It seems I may be wrong about Jospeh senior's wife pre-deceasing him. One of the floral tributes at the funeral of their grandson Joseph (drowned) in 1902 was from "His loving Grandmother, Mrs Appleyard of Conisbro' ."
Yes, the Walter who died in 1930 was the Lord Mayor etc. There is a long obituary. I had thought that the Don Confectionery co might be the then name for Bassett's (as in Liquorice Allsorts), especially as the Bassetts also lived in Endcliffe Crescent. But it seems that Walter's firm was in Bridge Street. He took no active part after 1905, devoting himself to "public work, poetry, philosophy and Spiritualism".
I will scan all these articles. Would you like to pm me your address?
Hugh :D
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will do .. i'll just remind myself how ;)
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> Wilfred went to SA in 1899 as a lance-sergeant with the Dublin Fusiliers.
i wondered if he'd started of in them. it fits in with my clippings
> It seems I may be wrong about Jospeh senior's wife pre-deceasing him.
you hadn't mentioned her death. i'm afraid i cannot shed any light on that yet
> He took no active part after 1905, devoting himself to ..
aye, the last directory entry i have for him, in connection to the 'Don..' is 1905
i found a useful publication at:
http://www.regionalfurnituresociety.com/backjournals.htm
which i'm waiting for. don't expect it'll arrive till after the New Year now.
2001 Journal of the Regional Furniture Society. it ran a piece:
'Johnson & Appleyards Ltd of Sheffield: A Victorian Family Business' by Julie Banham
you probably know of it, but if not, i'm sure your local archives will have a copy.
I'm looking forward to it coming .. a wee xmas present to myself ;)
cheers for nuw,
le durachd
fionnghal
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HI
Just in case anyone is interested here is the 1861 census info for Joseph Appleyard bn *1819 Conisboro
Joseph Appleyard abt 1820 Cabinet maker and employer of 1 man
Ann Appleyard abt 1821
Joseph appleyard abt 1848
Walter Appleyard abt 1852
Frank Appleyard abt 1856
Everyone born Conisboro
Wendy
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ta muchly, Wendy. i din't have it actually. you don't by any chance have its piece nos and the address of hte family, do you?
much appreciated :)
le durachd
fionnghal
i had come across the list enquiry. something a bit strange with the data though. A Joseph Appleyard m. an Ann Tyus in 1803, well before our Joseph was born. suppose there could have been 2 of each! but i am at present following that lead. thanks anyway. it was a nice thought :)
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HI
REF's for the Joseph Appleyard 1861 census address looks like Doncaster Road
Tickhill,
Doncaster
RG9/3513
F 101
Pg 20
Found Joseph, Anne and Joseph on the 1851 census at Post Office Street
REFs
HO107/2346
Folio 191
Pg 3
Wendy
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Hi
Found Frank Appleyard in the 1891 census for you
Appleyard, Frank abt 1856 Conisboro Machine Labourer
Appleyard, Harriett abt 1856 Kimberworth
Appleyard, Margaret E abt 1884 Kimberworth
Living at Moorgate, Rotherham, Yks
REFs
RG12 - 3845
Folio 113
Pg 36
And here he is in the 1891 census living at Herbert Villas, South East Rotherham.
Franks Occupation goes down now as Cabinet Maker
Frank Appleyard abt 1856 Conisborough, Widower
Margaret E Appleyard abt 1884 Masbrough,
Hilda M Law abt 1885 Lostus, Yorkshire, Niece
Lily Naylor abt 1887 Masbrough, Servant
Amelia Thomas abt 1869 Dawley, Shropshire, Servant
REF's
RG13 - 4392
Folio 75
Pg 8
Wendy
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Wendy, you are a poppet. thankyou very much :)
Le dùrachd
fionnghal
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Hello you chatters,
I have followed your post with interest and recalled the Appleyard name. In the 1930,s when going to Conisbrough to view the Castle, a regular summer outing, we used to pass a large sign Appleyards and Sons.
A local amateur historian Allen Marsh prepared a book later published by his widow and family, in it Allen mentions the Appleyards. I know he would not have minded an old friend quoting from it but unfortunately it does say it is not allowed.
The book is, An Illustrated Account of Conisbrough by Robert Allen Marsh and was published privately in 1977, I will ask his widow if she still has any copies available.
It mentions Joseph Appleyard 1777-1839, son Joseph 1819-90, George 1835-1920 and Walter born 1950. Photographs, Mr and Mrs George Appleyard ( looks 60 ish ), Joseph, Francis Appleyard (Conisbrough mixed Hockey team c. 1920).
I purchased the book for £10 all profits from which went to Conisbrough Methodist Church.
Regards Oly
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Hello again,
Had a look at the -
1841 Census Conisbrough HO107/1330/13
page 6b High Street
George Appleyard 27 Cabinet Maker
Susannah " 28
George " 2
Emma " 1
next door but one
Jane Appleyard 45
Sarah " 29
Joseph " 20 Cabinet m
All born in County. Ages should be rounded down to be divisible
by five in the 1841 Census, often the enumerator forgets.
No other information.
Regards Oly
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thanks a million, Hugh, Wendy and Oly for all your input. it is very much appreciated. the family is fairly filling out and i'm currently ploughing through all your census info sorting out who was where and when &c ;D
and Oly, yes please, i'd love to get a copy of hte book. hopefully there are still some left for sale. thanks, in advance, for making enquiries on my behalf :)
Wendy, this census tr. you sent,
> Found Joseph, Anne and Joseph on the 1851 census at Post Office Street
REFs
HO107/2346
Folio 191
Pg 3
was Post Office St in Conisboro'? sorry for being a niusance :-\
thanks again and hope you all have a wonderful 2006 with lots of research breakthroughs :D
leis gach deagh dhùrachd / with every best wish :)
fionnghal
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Hi fionnghal
sorry yes it was in Conisboro
Wendy
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Hello fionnghal,
I have spoken to the Marshes and only 500 of the books were printed all of which were sold. No further print is envisaged.
I obtained the family permission to copy the photographs and parts of the book that you would require. I also enquired about the original photographs, these were returned, to the source that Allen loaned them from.
I will scan the pages and email them to you, send me a personal message with your email address.
To wet your appetite the article starts -
The Appleyards:
It has been impossible to select but one member of the Appleyard family for inclusion in this section of local Characters. Perhaps this is to be expected when one considers that they have been in buisness at Conisbrough in unbroken line through seven generations spanning almost 220 years since Joseph Appleyard, 1777 - 1839, and after naval service at the time of Nelson, became a Cabinet Maker. and etc.
Regards Oly
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Hi
My GG Grandfather was Joseph Appleyard (1848-1909). I have posted my tree online at http://www.gencircles.com/users/frodo18/2/data/75 (this will go to Joseph) so please feel free to have a look as it may add a few bits to yours.
A fair bit of my Appleyard history was researched by my Great Uncle Donald (Joseph's grandson) and has also been supplied by various other Appleyard descendants who have contacted me after seeing my tree.
I also have some scanned photos of various members of the Appleyard family from Donald and I visted Joseph's grave (photo also) at Conisbrough on a recent holiday up to Yorkshire.
Please feel free to get in touch if you want to see any of this.
Cheers
Dave Morris
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I did some research on this family about 12 months ago for a client. Unfortunately I no longer have the notes I took. What I do remember though is that they connect to the APPLEYARD family of Selby but how I cannot remember now.
Rob
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Just to add to what I have now read. The TYAS family are a fairly well to do family from conisbrough. First mention of them in the village was a marriage in 1577.
I am slowly transcribing the Parish Registers for COnisbrough and the first release is imminent, so keep an eye on the for sale boards.
There are no baptisms or marriages for Appleyards before 1741. I havent completed the burials yet but to 1665 there were no burials either.
Rob
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Having started and now nearing completion of transcribing the BMD's for Conisbrough I can tell you Joseh APPLEYARD was baptised 18th July 1819 the son of Joseph & Jane Cabinet Maker. Joseph Snr. was buried 1st Dec 1839 aged 62 years. Jane Senior was buried 12th Apr 1863 Aged 70 years
Here are his siblings all baptised Conisbrough.
Sarah 29th Nov 1811 Born 18th Nov 1811
George 7th Aug 1814
Samuel 27th Jan 1817 Buried 17th May 1838
William 14th Oct 1821
Charles 1st Dec 1823 Buried 21st May 1824
Jane 16th May 1825 Buried 23rd May 1858
Mary Harriet 26th Jul 1833 Buried 29th Dec 1833
Henry 7th Jul 1836 BUried 12th Aug 1836
Edward Horatio Victory 29th Jan 1838 Buried 30th Jun 1838
The fact there is an 8 year break I am wondering if the transcripts I had to use to transcribe these have made a mistake and these latter children should be linked to another mother. Either that or the two baptisms to a Ann during that 8 year gap is transcribed wrong. I will ask the archivist to check this within the original when I attend on Friday.
Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a marriage for this couple however the register between 1754 and 1812 is missing and the BT's may not have everybody listed.
There is also no baptism for Joseph in Conisbrough :( There is also no Baptism for a Jane fitting the age at death of this Jane. Well I hope that helps. I will check those missing years on Friday for you and get back
Rob
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Here are his siblings all baptised Conisbrough.
Sarah 29th Nov 1811 Born 18th Nov 1811
George 7th Aug 1814
Samuel 27th Jan 1817 Buried 17th May 1838
William 14th Oct 1821
Charles 1st Dec 1823 Buried 21st May 1824
Jane 16th May 1825 Buried 23rd May 1858
Mary Harriet 26th Jul 1833 Buried 29th Dec 1833
Henry 7th Jul 1836 BUried 12th Aug 1836
Edward Horatio Victory 29th Jan 1838 Buried 30th Jun 1838
The fact there is an 8 year break I am wondering if the transcripts
There is also no baptism for Joseph in Conisbrough :( There is also no Baptism for a Jane fitting the age at death of this Jane.
Rob, thanks you for remembering me and my Appleyards. :) Since i wrote the earlier enquiries i've had a lot of help from fellow subscriber to this thread, Oly, who found me tons of records on the family. Hugh also sent me some fascinating material that gave me a much deeper understanding of the family. However, as is always the case, there are still many gaps
You have some kiddies missing and i do believe they are all our Jane & Joseph's. I was beginning to have doubts myself but in fact i confirmed mum's birth & christening only last night as it happens, and that makes her 46 when their last child was born - still young enough though as her later babies didn't survive well, chances were she was no longer fit for pregnancies.
I'll away and look out my records and post the missing details shortly as i appreciate you'll be needing them for your own transcription task.
Thanks again, Rob. :)
le durachd
fionnghal
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Fion i have transcribed the registers and thats all I can do. I have the other children but they have been transcribed as Joseph & Ann as parents and thats what I will need to check when I go to the archives. The staff there are pretty good at checkinng original registers and it may well be my reading it wrong. James bap 6th July 1828 Thackeray 12th Jun 1831 which fills the gap between those listed as Jane's children.
Rob
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I have the other children but they have been transcribed as Joseph & Ann as parents and thats what I will need to check when I go to the archives. The staff there are pretty good at checking original registers and it may well be my reading it wrong. James bap 6th July 1828 Thackeray 12th Jun 1831 which fills the gap between those listed as Jane's children.
Yes, they fit very well. I have a copy of both those two entries, and the Ann is very unclear but as it happens, i agree with your find. Other researchers have accepted these entries as legitimate kids, and are probably right. When i went back to my tree, i found these two were only bracketed in; I'd forgotten they were needing further research.
re the parents:
Joseph Appleyard b. bet.1765 & 1777 [these are the dates offered by different researchers of this family. I prefer to remain very open-ended on what i believe but lean towards the later years which ties in with his age at death which is all the concrete evidence i have to date. I don't believe he was b. in Conisborough.
Jane Chester, chr. 17 Mar 1792 Conistone, Gargrave [possibly]. Fellow lister here, Dave Morris, has another take on Jane's origins and he certainly presents very logical arguments. I'm still considering them but am working on a DEV twig just now so feel i shouldn't get side-tracked into this one at the moment. I'm keeping an open mind on it though and hope to find some other facts to swing it, conclusively, one way or the other.
Here's the entry i have for her:
OPR Gargrave YKS 1558-1812 Transcr. by YKS Parish Reg Soc., 1907, p.233
chr. 10 Jun 1792 Jane d of Wllm & Ann Chester, Conistone, YKS. Conistone is between Gargrave & Nappa which is the place of birth she gives in her 1851 census. Unfortunately, she confuses things by offering Gisburn as her birth place in her 1861. Gisburn is on the other side of Nappa from Conistone. :-\
Joseph & Jane m.27 Nov 1810 St Mary Magdalene Clitheroe, LAN LDS IGI m033251
Why they were married there i have no idea, unless her family had moved there by then, or, perhaps Joseph was working there at the time
I haven't seen the film, unfortunately, so cannot confirm whether there are any other useful details to be gleaned.
I found this London Gazette piece which i suspect may be our Joseph in 1809.
LON GAZ, Issue 16217, 10 Jan 1809, pg.9, "This is to give notice, that the Partnerfhip fubfifting between us Jofeph Appleyard and John Walton, Cabinet-Makers, of Halifax, in the county of York, was this Day diffolved by mutual Confent. All debts due to and owing by us the faid Firm will be received and paid by Jofeph Appleyard, Witnefs our Hands this 9th Day of December 1808." [signed] Jofeph Appleyard & John Walton.
It'd be interesting to discover if there was any kind of paper trail connected to this dissolution. One day maybe! :)
Thanks Rob, I appreciate your info and in fact it has added to what i had :)
le durachd
Fionnghal
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ooops! typo! ::)
One was Jane Chester's birth date and the other her christening date, i copy/pasted the wrong one.
Birth
Jane Appleyard [nee Chester], b. 17 Mar 1792 Conistone, Gargrave as per info from my late cousin.
Christening
chr. 10 Jun 1792 Jane d of Wllm & Ann Chester, Conistone, YKS as per the Gargrave bapt. register
However, i do have more research to do on this family, and it;ll have to wait a bit as i've now committed myself to working on my Devon lot at the moment. That'll take a bit of time but i'd hope to be back to working on the Appleyards some time next year. I have been a bit neglectful of them of late.
le durachd
Fionnghal
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I checked the original registers today and it is definately Ann for the wife of Joseph on the two children
Rob
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Thanks, Rob, that's what i suspected. Curious! There can't have been too many Joseph Appleyard's in the wee village of Conisbro having kids at exactly the right moment and both of them cabinet makers! hm! :-\
ta muchly for your input
le durachd
fionnghal
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I thought about that to. I am transcribing at present a draft register for another church in Doncaster and I suspect now that this was common throughout churches. If this is the case then its possible that the person doing the copying couldn't read the original handwriting. It will be interesting when completed to cross check the draft with the register and see who are missing from each and what variations to spellings etc there are. I personally believe Jane and Ann are the same person but unfortunately unless a will can be found there will be no way of knowing for sure.
Rob
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I suspect too, that on many occasions, the clerk or even the minster, can't recall the name of the 'suspect' parent and just records what he thinks it was. I've lost track of the number of times i've found missing parents in registers, where the clerk has not been able to recall the name and instead of guessing, has drawn a line, then continued, perhaps hoping that the mum's or dad's name will come to mind later.
A register in Amport HAM has a number of those and one affected us. Fortunately a will confirmed our suspicions but we're now on another conundrum, in that the varying name occurs at the end of a series of births; is this a step-parent or a blank in the clerk's memory.
For the most part, it was up to the clerk to ensure he recorded all the vital events and we both know some weren't always diligent while others went to enormous effort to ensure accuracy. However, i don't doubt that a lot of entries were from memory, or a scrawled on, ink-blotted piece of paper allowing plenty opportunity for mistakes never mind later transcription errors. and if the writing is different, perhaps a new clerk who doesn't know the family personally.
I'd be very interested to hear if you come on any other Appleyard related data.
Enjoy your transcribing. :) I've done a fair bit of it myself and, though rewarding, that old writing/scrawling can be a tremendous test of transcription skills and local knowledge of names. I also found it very therapeutic when my sister was dying.
Tell me, did you come on many Tyas, Tyus births/marriages in Conisbro? Joseph Appleyard's son Joseph [my direct forebear] married an Ann Tyas who was apparently from Conisbro. Her parents were Joseph b. Conisbro & Hannah Lambert b. unkn.
I'll have to get back into researching my Yorkshire forebears but in the meantime i've committed myself to my Devon lot so should stick to that in the meantime.
Thanks for your information, Rob :)
le durachd
Fionnghal
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Tell me, did you come on many Tyas, Tyus births/marriages in Conisbro? Joseph Appleyard's son Joseph [my direct forebear] married an Ann Tyas who was apparently from Conisbro. Her parents were Joseph b. Conisbro & Hannah Lambert b. unkn.
Yes I did thats a common name for that parish but I will give you details later today or tomorrow as I have just returned from hospital after a general anasthetic and I feel like crap
Rob
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no hurry Rob. Disconnect yourself from the computer, put your feet up and doze by the fire.
Hope you feel better soon :)
le durachd
fionnghal