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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Renfrewshire => Topic started by: pamhi on Monday 26 December 05 23:23 GMT (UK)
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I have found a burial of my GGG-Grandfather in Greenock Cemetery - after many years of looking...
GREENOCK CEMETERY, Renfrewshire
Geo HEPBURN shipmaster d at sea 11.11.1840 49, Eliz Jameson 12.4.1857, 62.
Is there a record of deaths of sea which can be consulted - am completely at a loss to know more about him ie parents...
Some family info had him as a Captain in the Royal Navy!
I know he married twice - first to Helen INGLIS - family history says that it was a 'runaway mge' and she was of the INGLIS family of Kingsmill, Inverness - however my research, so far, proves that to be unlikely - the family connection I mean!
He had six children - all born Renfrewshire (Port Glasgow & West or Old Parish) from 1814-1825 (1st mge)
Would love any help I could get on this one... :-\
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I have just checked on the scotlandspeople website for deaths at sea.
Under deaths, there is a section on Minor Records which includes an Air Register, Foreign Returns, Service Return, War Returns, and Marine Returns.
The Marine Returns (from 1855) include deaths on British-registered merchant ships at sea where the deceased was normally resident in Scotland.
War Returns cover the Royal Navy in WW1.
The index for Minor Records is searchable on-line but the images are not (possibly by the end of this year).
As your dates fall outwith the ones given, I searched the Royal Navy site and it directed me to the PRO where at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search/quick_search.aspx?search_text=Royal+Navy&go.x=0&go.y=0 you should find a couple of links to try to find info on your ancestor.
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Grey Seagull,
Thank you very much for your reply. Will certainly take a look on the site you suggested, though my gut-feeling is that he was the Royal Navy at all, but it's worth checking it out.
Thanks once again :-)
Pam :)
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http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/RFW/Greenock/index.html will give you details of church records in Greenock.
http://www.inverclyde.gov.uk/Economic_Development/index.php?module=article&view=264 will give you pics and info about the West Kirk, the parish church and burial grounds in west Greenock.
If you go to http://bbc.cpdn.org/ and click on 'my details' (not sure if you will be able to do this unless you are part of the experiment) at the bottom of the page, you can enter longitude and latitude to find a place. Try the following (cut and paste) for the old site and new site respectively:
OLD: 55.95090587967244 -4.758013486862183
NEW: 55.95606564173967 -4.767186641693115
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Grey Seagull,
Thanks so much for your help and suggestions. Great to see the pictures.
I have a vague memory, having read somewhere, that the librarian at one of the Archives/Libraries in Greenock is very good genealogy wise - so might see if I can track her down.
Thanks again for all your help - it's taken me years to get this far - but I will get there :-))
Pam
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that the librarian at one of the Archives/Libraries in Greenock is very good genealogy wise - so might see if I can track her down.
That would be Lesley Couperwrite - Lesley retired a few years ago, not sure who has taken over
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This may be very out of date, but there certainly was a marriage between Helen Baillie Inglis (born Inverness 16 July 1799, daughter of George Inglis and Helen Alves) and George Hepburn. Details of the marriage settlement are, or should be, in the Inverness museum, among the papers of Helen's father, George Inglis, latterly of Kingsmills, a Demerara planter, and former partner in St Vincent of two of the Alves brothers from Inverness and the financier George Baillie). I have also see a New Zealand posting suggesting it was a runaway marriage - she was certainly very young. You probably have all this by now, but just in case......
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This site may be of interest, http://www.spanglefish.com/slaveandhighlanders/index.asp
The Greenock Telegraph archive is available via the Watt Library I think
Skoosh.
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Unable to modify the above, should be "slavesandhighlanders".
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This may be very out of date, but there certainly was a marriage between Helen Baillie Inglis (born Inverness 16 July 1799, daughter of George Inglis and Helen Alves) and George Hepburn. Details of the marriage settlement are, or should be, in the Inverness museum, among the papers of Helen's father, George Inglis, latterly of Kingsmills, a Demerara planter, and former partner in St Vincent of two of the Alves brothers from Inverness and the financier George Baillie). I have also see a New Zealand posting suggesting it was a runaway marriage - she was certainly very young. You probably have all this by now, but just in case......
Allan,
I cannot believe this. She certainly was the ONLY Helen that matched and I certainly couldn't find a death for her - so a second marriage in 1831 would make sense. This presumably means that George and Helen divorced? Her marriage to George took place when she was 14yrs of age - which matched the story that it was a runaway marriage - and the marriage entry had a 'blank' where her father's name should have been!!
Any further information would be gratefully received. I will certainly investigate further.
Thanks :)
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Was George born in Inverness in 1792?
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You may have this info already
http://www.inverclyde.gov.uk/community-life-and-leisure/libraries/local-and-family-history/family-history/intimations/
Intimations Surname Hasse to Hayman
download then search Hepburn
Page 158 of 169
Entry 1840 for Geo Hepburn d on board Highlander
Incidentally do you know if Geo had daughter Ruth?
See our prev enquiry re Duncan Hepburn marriage 1830
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No sorry - George didn't have a daughter named Ruth.
Thanks for your interest.
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Hi,
George is one of my brick walls - I have no idea where he was born but I suspect it may have been Inverness or Renfrewshire. After years of looking the only 'match' I can see at this stage is son of George HEPBURN and Agnes JAMESON. Though nothing to prove it.
Certainly the name Agnes was never passed down to later generations.
Thanks for your interest....
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Hi pamhi
just reading over your post
not sure if you have all this info thought I would post just in case
Family Search
George Hepburn married Helen Inglis 27th December 1813
Edinburgh Parish Midlothian,
George Hepburn married Elizabeth Jameson 9th April 1828 Inverness
and
12th April 1828 Greenock West or Old Parish,
as these are marriage Banns and not marriage certs,
the only info that will be on them are the Bride and Grooms details
as there are the two different dates the banns must have been read out
in the two different parishes because they have both belonged to different parishes,
children to George and Helen Inglis are,
George born 24th August 1815
William Inglis born 4th June 1817
Alexander born 10th December 1818
Mary Eliza born 5th Dec 1819
Emma born 11th Oct 1822
Susan born 31st Oct 1824
all Port Glasgow and Greenock
children to George Hepburn and Elizabeth Jameson
Elizabeth christening 19th July 1835
Charles christening 11th March 1837
both Greenock
at first I thought two different George's ?
then I found this 1841 census result
ELizabeth Hepburn born Inverness 1801
Mary Hepburn born Inverness 1821
Susan Hepburn born Inverness 1825
Elizabeth Hepburn born Inverness 1835
Charles Hepburn born Inverness 1837
Catherine Jamson born Inverness 1816
there is also a Mary Brown and an
Ann McKay on the return too,
so possible that Helen Inglis Died prior to 1828
and Elizabeth has taken the family to Inverness
when George died in 1840
some of these names tie in with the intimation in the
Greenock Telegraph which olduser1 has posted the link to
the George Hepburn and Agnes Jamieson marriage 1786 Aberdeen is
a submitted entry and you would need to verify it.
Elaine
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pamhi
1851 census
Elizabeth is back in Greenock with
Elizabeth, Charles,and Catherine Jamieson
Catherine now has an inital I as middle name,
there is also a Mary Grainger 30 and a James Duncan 64 with them
Elaine
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Thanks hugely for your efforts. Everything you mention below is correct. It is the same George.
Trying to establish George's parents - which is my major brick wall.
Also the whereabouts of sons William Inglis and Alexander.
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pamhi
may just be coincidence but found these on family search
George Hepburn born 12th August 1784
Parents
William Hepburn and Stewart Duncan
just wondering if this could be your George as there is a
James Hepburn born to the same family in 1787 which would be
the same birth year as the James Duncan who is with
Elizabeth on the 1851 census
Elaine
added;
the address on this census is 13 Clarence Street
Elizabeth is running a lodging house
James Duncan is a newfoundland merchant clerk
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1841 Census
James Hepburn born 1786 Aberdeen occupation Merchant
may be a possibility
other Hepburn's on there with him
but as the 1841 doesn't give relationships not sure
what relationship they are to James