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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: helendha on Wednesday 21 December 05 21:58 GMT (UK)
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Hi all, hoping someone can give me a guiding hand as I'm stuck!
My great-great-great grandmother Elizabeth Balmforth married Joseph Tansley at Hartshead Church (St. Peter's) in West Yorkshire on July 10th 1837.
I have a copy of their marriage certificate and the bride's father is listed as being Samuel Balmforth, Farmer. The residence of both bride and groom at time of marriage is listed as being Birkhouse.
I'm interested in trying to track down the bride's family in Hartshead, as I will be visiting that area from overseas in a month or so and I'd very much like to visit the churchyard in Hartshead and see if any of my family is buried there. However I'm finding it hard to find any trace of a Samuel Balmforth in that area at that time - I can find a couple of the right sort of age on the 1841 census but my knowledge of the area is not good enough to be able to tell if they are the same families. Can anyone help, please? I'd really appreciate it :)
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Hello Helendha
I think your area is Gildersome which adjoins the places you mention.
1841 Census in Gildersome are -
John Balmforth 45 Farmer and Mary 50 with sons Joseph 20 and John 20.
Also 4 Tansley children Selina 14, Ann 13, Henry 7 and Jane 3 living with Samuel Reynor 25 Coal Miner I and Elizabeth Reynor 30. The three older children, Emp in coal mine.
What are the 1841 areas you have found. I am still looking.
Regards Oly
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Hello again
1841 Census HO107/1290/3 Cleckheaton
Upper Lane page 43a
Sarah Balmforth 15 niece in the house of John Whitley 40 and Betty 40
1290/4 page 21b Cleckheaton
George Street
Joseph Tansley 20 Moulder
Elizabeth " 25
Emma " 3
Hannah Balmforth 20
next door
Wm Balmforth 35 currier
Elizabeth " 35
Samuel " 15
Hannah " 14
John " 11
Grace " 9
All born in County
Regards Oly
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And again
1841 census HO107/1290/6 Drighlington
page 56b Coockewdale
Elizabeth Balmforth 65
1290/7 page 10a Gomersal
Eliza Balmforth 8 F S to Mary Hirst 25 who had children Amelia 2 and Elizabeth 8 months.
All the above places are close to each other South East of Bradford and are in the area map
of Bradford F H S, have a look at the web site, send them a S A E or I R C if from outside the UK and your hopes for when you visit the area.
www.bradfordfhs.org.uk
Also covering the area of your interest is an excellent web site, well worth a browse, they also give good service -
www.hdfhs.org.uk
I hope you enjoy your forthcoming visit.
Regards Oly
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Oly - thanks so much for the pointers, they've realy given me a kick-start.
The Cleckheaton families look particularly interesting as I know for a fact that some of my later family lived there, so that would make sense - and my family 'profession' was iron moulding for many generations. The fact that there is a Tansley family living right next door to a Balmforth family is also just too much of a coincidence! Can you tell me where you got the info from, please? - on Genealogist it just shows Joseph, Elizabeth and Emma living together and I can't work out how to see who their neighbours were??
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Oooooh...I also just found a Samuel Balmforth on the 1841 census of the right age (70), listed as being a farmer, with an address of 'Birch House Bradford'....on the wedding certificate I have, the address of the bride is listed as being 'Birkhouse' and I wonder if this could be an error in the transcribing (so Birkhouse has become Birch House). What does anyone think - or are these both 'real' and separate places? And does anyone know of a website where I can see an image of the 1841 census so I can see for myself and jusge if there has been an error?
Thanks in advance all you lovely people :)
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HI Helendha
Would this be the same Samuel you found in the 1841 census?
This is showing the full family as seen in the 1841 census
Address is shown as BIRKHOUSE, Hartshead, W Yorkshire
Samuel Balmforth Age 70 Occupation Farmer
Hannah Balmforth Age 60
Sarah Balmforth Age 30
Mannasseh Balmforth Age 20 Occupation Ag Labourer
Ephraim Balmforth Age 20
John Balmforth Age 10
Wendy
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Wendy - yes, that is the same family as I found on the 1841 census, though on genealogist.co.uk the address has been transcribed as 'Birch House' and 'Mannessah' has been transcribed as 'Margaret'. Other than that, the names, occupation s and ages are the same.
OK, now I'm getting excited as it sounds as though I've managed (with your help!) to move the family history back another generation.
Do you mind telling me which website you got the info from? Sounds as though it's a much better source than Genealogist - at least in this area for this period!
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HI
If you try this link it will also show the area that BIRKHOUSE covers today although some maps dont recognise it.
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=415500&y=424500&z=3&sv=415500,424500&st=OSGrid&lu=N&tl=~&ar=y&bi=~&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf
It is Mannasseh (or Variation on spelling) as he also appears on later census married with a wife and children.
Wendy
P.S I have also sent you a PM
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Hello Helen
I have all the Yorkshire Census on CD,s copies of the original pages, but not fully indexed. Can you give me the piece and page number of the Samuel Balmouth you have found in Bradford and I will look at it and report back.
I think the Elizabeth Tansley in Cleckheaton is your GGG grandmother that you asked for in the first post of this thread. And note Hannah Balmforth 20 was living in the same houe.
Regards Oly
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Hi Oly,
The Samuel Balmforth I found in the 1841 census is at H0107/1298/15~F8
Thanks!
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Hello Helendha
Census 1841 Clifton 1298/15 page(folio) 10a
Birkhouse
Samuel Bamforth 70 Farmer
Hannah " 60
Ephraim " 20 ag lab ap
Manafseh " 20 ag lab ap (A biblical name using the old spelling fs our ss)
Sarah " 30
John " 10
The ed details-
In the Soke of Morley, Parish of Dewsbury, Chapelry of Clifton
Part of the Hamlet of Clifton west of Elland and Leeds Turnpike Road from Clifton Bridge to Hartshead Moor
Regards Oly