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I am endeavoring to find as much information I can on my GGG Grandfather Cornelius HYAMS, b unknown, m 1802 St. Dunstan's Church, Stepney, Spitalfields, London, spouse is Mary MOSS, b 20/2/1785 Shoreditch, St. Leonard's, London.
They had a child by the name of Cornelius HYAMS also, b 1805 Stepney, Spitalfields, London, m 1846 Richmond, NSW, Australia, d 1882 Lyndhurst, NSW, Australia, spouse was Eliza BARWICK b 1829 Richmond, NSW, Australia, d 1908 Lyndhurst. NSW, Australia.
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Hello Chairman
An old post...2005 which was the only time the Chairman has been online.
Transported he was (Cornelius the younger)............probably held in Millbank Prison until such times as he was transported
http://www.hrionline.ac.uk/oldbailey/html_units/1820s/t18231203-42.html
the associated records attached to the trial (see associated records) available from the National Archives
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/
will give you further info on Cornelius..........see ASSOCIATED RECORDS on the Old Bailey website (above) at the base of the Trial summary section
Cornelius had siblings..........all christened at the same Church as Cornelius with the same parents!Cornelius & Mary...who married on the 13th April 1802...and he is written as Cornelius Himes
Thomas born 18th Oct 1802........christened 10th Nov 1802
Mary " 19th Oct 1806....... " 9th Nov 1806
Benjamin " 24th Jul 1808........ " 14th Aug 1808
Elizabeth " 16th June 1810..... " 29th July 1810
Esther " 29th March 1812.. " 19th Apr 1812
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and here is brother Thomas in 1841
1841 census
GEORGE GARDENS, ST MATTHEW BETHNAL GREEN, MIDDLESEX
THOMAS HYAMS 38 SILK WEAVER YES (BORN MIDDLESEX)
CATHERINE " 44 YES
JOHN " 18 " YES
THOMAS " 16 " YES
MARY " 14 YES
BENJAMIN " 10 YES
HENRY " 6? YES
GEORGE " 3 YES
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Mary Moss had siblings.........all christened ST LEONARDS, SHOREDITCH, MIDDX with parents RICHARD & ELIZABETH
WILLIAM born 26TH OCT 1786...christened 17TH NOV 1786
ELIZABETH born 19TH NOV 1788....christened 22ND DEC 1788...died 14TH AUG 1789
SARAH " 25TH JULY 1790... " 16TH AUG 1790
NANCY " 8TH JUNE 1792.... " 4TH JULY 1792
ELEANOR " 1ST OCT 1794.... " 30TH OCT 1794
KEZIA " 24TH SEP 1796.... " 19TH OCT 1796...died 11TH OCT 1798
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Bryant
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Bryant,
Thank you for that information.
However as I am very inexperienced at this family tree information, do you know where I cdan njow go to find the ancestors of Cornelius Himes
Regards
The Chairman
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That was a surprise!
With one post to your name in Dec 2005 I thought I was wasting my time...just goes to show :)
I will assume that getting to various record centres in London is a no no.........
You could start by joining the.........
http://www.eolfhs.org.uk/eolintro.htm just had a look, their are people researching the name HYAMS
Cornelius doesn't appear to show on the LDS (Later Day Saints) site prior to his marriage in 1802 so we have no idea how old he was or who his siblings (one imagines he had some?) are......
Mary his wife appears to have had children over 10 years from 1802-1812 so that brings you to believe one of several things, the most obvious is she died? and as Cornelius is not seen in 1841 one assumes he has gone the same way......
SO..............
Cornelius Himes (Hyams) when he married Mary Moss at St Dunstans in 1802 would have had witnesses, who are they?...........normally when married close to home they are siblings of the happy couple!
Was Mary Moss of full age or a minor? ......... the east of london family history soc will be able to answer those questions
A new post on rootschat is required for Cornelius Hyams NBI (National Burial Index) 1811-1841 somewhere around Stepney/Bethnal Green, Middlesex.....the same applies for Mary Hyams
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Bryant,
Again thanks but being in Australia plus extremely inexperienced at this I just don't know where to go or how can you assist please.
Regards
The Chairman
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Is this site any help? (Docklands Ancestors)
http://www.parishregister.com/searchpage.asp
You have to pay, but it is £3.25 for the whole search. They have St Dunstans there, but 1770-1798 is "coming soon". So you might have to keep checking back to see when it is there, as that seems to be the era you want.
I thought £3.25 for 8 baptism transcriptions was pretty good, and the payment bit seems secure.
I would be THRILLED to find all that transportation info, Bryant, how on earth did you make the connection?
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You could look on that site for the 1802 marriage - hopefully there will be witnesses.
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Cornelius and MAry Moss actually had 8 children between 1802 and 1818.
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How and where did yuou find that out
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I have much information on Cornelius and descendats in Australia, his transportation records, Colonial crimes, Marriage of Cornelius the Senior and Mary Moss, the baptism entries for all of the children etc. Cannot seem to get back past their marriage, and cannot find deaths.
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Have spent a number of years researching, Cornelius the Younger was my GGG grandfather also.
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Actually you can SEARCH at parishregister.com for free.
I could not get anything on Himes/Hyams, but if you search on Moss you get a lot of hits. Two are for Mary Ann Moss. If I were you I would search on MOSS and then download all of them for the money, rather than the two Mary Ann MOSS records, and hope that they are she, if you see what I mean. These other MOSSes might be Mary's relatives.
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Thank for that I will have a go
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The Parishregister site for dockland's ancestors is very good and safe. Worth checking back as they are adding records all the time. You can still do a kindof "narrowing down" search (a bit like Scotland's People) to see if your folks are there. Luckily you have an unusual name to look for!
I see pj has just added something similar ... ;D
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Blimey
Their I am writing away and amending/adding to my reply, then I stop to have a look at what iv'e written and loads of replies have followed...... ???
Bryant
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I have recently made contact with Descendants of Benjamin in uk, son of Cornelius and Mary and another descendant in USA, all helps and adds to the branches. I gues like anything if you seek you shall find what you are looking for eventually.
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SUMMARY......
Sarhanna talk to the Chairman..........your related!
Transported he was (Cornelius the younger)............probably held in Millbank Prison until such times as he was transported............if you input Millbank prison in a search engine you will find much written about the prison! this being one such website http://www.victorianlondon.org/prisons/millbank.htm
The Old Bailey trial record can be found here...........
http://www.hrionline.ac.uk/oldbailey/html_units/1820s/t18231203-42.html
the associated records attached to the trial (see associated records) will give you further info on Cornelius..........see ASSOCIATED RECORDS on the Old Bailey website (above) at the base of the Trial summary section
The associated records will give you reference numbers to continue your research and are available from the National Archives
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/
...........but will cost you money! for the research & documentation
The east of London FHS is probably the best way to progress http://www.eolfhs.org.uk/eolintro.htm
Happy research
Bryant
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Thankyou, much appreciated
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Mate that's great.
Sorry I haven't bee back but I ran out of downloads on my monthly internet, because I downloaded to many songs will have to watch it closer now.
You were the only response I have had to that posting, if you get anymore info please let me know.
The Chairman